Should have Ibaka or Harden over Green

[Celticsfan336]

Green is undoubtebly the most talented player other than westbrook and durant on their team. We lucked out getting him.

[bbd24]

I'll judge Green after he gets at least a Celtic training camp under his belt. He's 24 and was thrown into the fire sort of speak. I don't give up on talent that way. Especially 24 yr olds

[Fan from VT]

there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.

[BudweiserCeltic]

This is so silly. Jeff Green was easily one of their team's (Oklahoma City's) most talented players. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Last I checked, Jeff Green, in all three games played thus far, has knocked down a number of big shots for us when we needed him to. Simply because he isn't giving us more points, isn't suddenly a reason to classify the guy as garbage. When will people learn that, sometimes, it isn't always about how many points you can give a team, but often times more about when you can give a team points. And Jeff Green has showcased a number of different times, that he isn't afraid or unable to take and make that much needed big shot that will give his team the lead for the first time in awhile, or that will further allow the Celtics to keep their momentum going, something which the team has all too often easily given up in the closing moments of the regular season.

Jermaine O'neal, with the points he scored in Game 3, were absolutely huge for this Celtics team. Even more important, however, was when he was able to give us those points. Chop away Jermaine O'neal's 6 points, and you probably have a Knicks team that is no doubt much closer to us than they were in that all important 4th quarter in game 3.

But take away Jeff Green's 9 points, and the Knicks team is even closer. They possibly end up putting Melo back in when the game is close, and we end up having to grind out another victory. Jeff Green, as much as he is getting crap, is one of the reasons for why we had the cushion that we did. We all know how important Rondo, Allen, Pierce were, but try not to forget how important the contributions of other players on the team were.

Kevin Garnett also gave us 9 points, and he played about 10 more minutes than Green did. And with how important rebounding the ball has become for this Celtics team, due to our struggles, Jeff Green's 4 defensive rebounds are a lot more important than some might be willing to admit.

Jeff Green has not delivered what the Celtics expected and for many fans has been a huge disappointment. If he is around next year, he certainly needs to play much better. However, I don't think soft players become tough and Jeff Green is soft.

Tough, soft, whatever. Jeff Green has to a good degree contained Carmelo in this series, particularly in games 1 and 3. Is that not good enough so far? I think so.

Let me know when Doc puts him in a competent unit and in a competent role before I judge what he's supposed to be doing for this team. So far what I've seen to a good degree is coaching failure. That's not to say that Jeff doesn't need to play better offensively, but the first step is using him correctly, which hasn't happened.

People keep pointing out his rebounds, yet in the last 2 games he's rebounded the ball fairly well.

I think people are going out of their way to complain about Green unnecessarily, and dismissing what he has done as none important.

[Tai]

This is so silly. Jeff Green was easily one of their team's (Oklahoma City's) most talented players. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Last I checked, Jeff Green, in all three games played thus far, has knocked down a number of big shots for us when we needed him to. Simply because he isn't giving us more points, isn't suddenly a reason to classify the guy as garbage. When will people learn that, sometimes, it isn't always about how many points you can give a team, but often times more about when you can give a team points. And Jeff Green has showcased a number of different times, that he isn't afraid or unable to take and make that much needed big shot that will give his team the lead for the first time in awhile, or that will further allow the Celtics to keep their momentum going, something which the team has all too often easily given up in the closing moments of the regular season.

Jermaine O'neal, with the points he scored in Game 3, were absolutely huge for this Celtics team. Even more important, however, was when he was able to give us those points. Chop away Jermaine O'neal's 6 points, and you probably have a Knicks team that is no doubt much closer to us than they were in that all important 4th quarter in game 3.

But take away Jeff Green's 9 points, and the Knicks team is even closer. They possibly end up putting Melo back in when the game is close, and we end up having to grind out another victory. Jeff Green, as much as he is getting crap, is one of the reasons for why we had the cushion that we did. We all know how important Rondo, Allen, Pierce were, but try not to forget how important the contributions of other players on the team were.

Kevin Garnett also gave us 9 points, and he played about 10 more minutes than Green did. And with how important rebounding the ball has become for this Celtics team, due to our struggles, Jeff Green's 4 defensive rebounds are a lot more important than some might be willing to admit.

Jeff Green has not delivered what the Celtics expected and for many fans has been a huge disappointment. If he is around next year, he certainly needs to play much better. However, I don't think soft players become tough and Jeff Green is soft.

Green looks to me like he's been all over Melo when in the game whenever possible. I remember him even driving to the lane, and it's arguable he got fouled but it wasn't called.

To me, you're really overstating his softness.

[PosImpos]

There's no way we could have gotten Ibaka or Harden for Perk.  I really doubt we could have gotten Wallace.

[BballTim]

  I'm guessing that if we had Harden playing 10-12 minutes a game behind Ray people would be clamoring for Jeff Green.

[KCattheStripe]

Green is undoubtebly the most talented player other than westbrook and durant on their team. We lucked out getting him.

I'd say Ibaka.

[ballin]

Green is undoubtebly the most talented player other than westbrook and durant on their team. We lucked out getting him.

hahahhahaha. Why even bother arguing with statements like this?

Believe me, there's a reason why Jeff Green was expendable and Serge Ibaka wasn't.

Jeff Green has all of those intangible "wow" factors that don't really translate into actual production on the court: he's "versatile", he's "athletic", he has "potential", etc. etc.

Serge Ibaka isn't flashy, but on the other hand, he has everything that DOES translate into wins: great defense, great rebounding, great blocking, and relatively efficient offensive capability.

If we had gotten Perk instead of Jeff Green I actually wouldn't hate the trade. Instead, we got OKC's trash. It was most definitely addition by subtraction for them.

Don't just take my word for it:

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/the-thunder-are-now-contenders-does-kendrick-perkins-deserve-all-the-credit/

[Celticsfan336]

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 Edit - Do not resort to personal attacks and do not use offensive language.  wdleehi

[GreenFaith1819]

To me, who we should've went after or who we have now after the trade is not quite as important as one particular player.

We all have our different thoughts and opinions on the trade, and that's ok.

Kendrick Perkins, while being a fine defensive center prior to the Summer of 07, did not really come into his own until the arrival of Kevin Garnett.

Kevin Garnett, of course, is still here. And he is still doing amazing things. Jeff and Nenad will do those amazing things too - in time.

There is a reason why Kendrick took number 5 when he arrived at OKC.

That reason will suit up today in NY - and he is wearing Green.

Kevin Garnett helped to mold and shape Kendrick Perkins, and he will do the same over time with the new guys. And it is because of Kevin Garnett that we have a good shot at Banner 18 this year - not Kendrick Perkins.

Rajon is the motor, Paul is the Captain, Ray is the cool assassin, but KG is the Key.

Anyone who has followed my posts know how I feel about KP, so I won't go into it here. But if we meet OKC this year in June, I'll take KG (along with the remaining core four and the new guys) over whatever OKC can throw at us.

[Celticsfan336]

Honestly you guys are acting rediculous. Jeff Green is in his 4th year, and has SUPERSTAR potential. Ibaka is a great PF for the Thunder, but really he would serve no purpose on our roster. And same with Harden, up until a couple months ago he was considered a bust.

Jeff Green has all the basketball talent in the world, and sure he doesnt have the intangibles, but that will come. Hopefully by the end of the season, but if u ask me....he hasnt been playing as bad as you guys have said. In the flow of the offense, he gets stuck in the corner, and thats not his fault. I dont know what Doc says to him, or how he approaches his role, but I feel as if Doc could be using him better, dont  play it on Jeff's talent, because if you say he isnt talented than you obviously do not watch basketball.

Jeff can also cover the likes of lebron.

[zerophase]

Green is undoubtebly the most talented player other than westbrook and durant on their team. We lucked out getting him.

hahahhahaha. Why even bother arguing with statements like this?

Believe me, there's a reason why Jeff Green was expendable and Serge Ibaka wasn't.

Jeff Green has all of those intangible "wow" factors that don't really translate into actual production on the court: he's "versatile", he's "athletic", he has "potential", etc. etc.

Serge Ibaka isn't flashy, but on the other hand, he has everything that DOES translate into wins: great defense, great rebounding, great blocking, and relatively efficient offensive capability.

If we had gotten Perk instead of Jeff Green I actually wouldn't hate the trade. Instead, we got OKC's trash. It was most definitely addition by subtraction for them.

Don't just take my word for it:

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/the-thunder-are-now-contenders-does-kendrick-perkins-deserve-all-the-credit/

Your ignorant, he is undoubtely more talented than Ibaka. Ibaka is a great 4 dont get me wrong. But what the FUFCKFK do we need another 4 for??? exactly.

Jeff green is a matchup nightmare and can give paul and ray great rest which is exactly what he needed and why traded for him. Quisy wouldnt have been able to play, and who knows how effective he would ahve been. We would have been stuck with no wings. But nope, you want to trade for another big man.



Im sure u much rather would have traded Perk for Ibaka and then had Ibaka buried as our 3rd string 4 behing KG and BBD and then have no solid back up for paul and ray.

...If Green were "trash" why would OKC draft him 5th overall? Green, Ibaka, and Harden are very different players. Green is perfect for that glue guy. Ibaka is a great defensive player, and Harden is a great wing player--athletic scorer. Green fits our team better than the other two because of his versatility. He's not particularly great at one thing but he can do it all.  I don't really see a need for Ibaka on this team if you're goal was bench production. Also Harden is too small for the versatility we were looking for in the trade. We wanted a Posey type 2-3-4 guy. Not a straight 2.

[LB3533]

Gerald Wallace would be a disaster coming off the bench.

You guys think Jeff Green's jumper is broke...wait until you watch G. Wallace chuck up outside shot after outside shot.

Gerald Wallace off the bench is evil Tony Allen on steroids.

Wallace's current playoff numbers as a starter for the Blazers.

40 min: 10 ppg, 8 rpg, on 39% FG, 22% 3FG

[aporel#18]

Kevin Garnett helped to mold and shape Kendrick Perkins, and he will do the same over time with the new guys. And it is because of Kevin Garnett that we have a good shot at Banner 18 this year - not Kendrick Perkins.

Rajon is the motor, Paul is the Captain, Ray is the cool assassin, but KG is the Key.

Anyone who has followed my posts know how I feel about KP, so I won't go into it here. But if we meet OKC this year in June, I'll take KG (along with the remaining core four and the new guys) over whatever OKC can throw at us.

TP, this is so true.

The OP is making two mistakes:

- first, he's overestimating Danny's genius. Danny is the greatest after Red, but Sam Presti is a smart guy too.

- second, Presti wanted KP, so the Celtics needed talent and a big man back.


 We can argue about who is more talented, but it doesn't make sense, because Green was starting OUT OF POSITION over Ibaka, who is a beast at the 4. Then, on to big men, they had 3 seven footers, that is Nenad, Mullens and Aldrich. Aldrich could start some day, or be another Montross. Mullens I can't tell, but he doesn't seem to play a lot. Nenad was starting over them. Unless Sam Presti had an ultra-secret plan of showcasing Green and Nenad, it's clear that the Celtics got the best talent back.

Of course, Ibaka is great, and I like Harden. But they wanted Perk, so the only way to get Ibaka would be packaging Baby and Bradley too, and try to get Ibaka. Once again, Sam Presti is a smart guy, so I don't think we got any chance.