Should have Ibaka or Harden over Green

[Who]

Green has lots of untapped potential in my opinion. We're giving up on him a little too early give it some time. Personally i think a training camp will do great things for him sometimes it takes a while to adjust...like Richard Jefferson now compared to last year with the spurs.

Good comparison to Jefferson. Green hasn't had a training camp under his belt yet their crucifying him on this board. ' he'll never be an all star ' etc. It's laughable.

These are the same people that said Perk wouldn't be anything his first yrs as a Celtic . So it's all good

Not about Green or this thread ... just Richard Jefferson

RJ got off to a great start (15ppg, hugely efficient) but has been underwhelming ever since. He is still shooting the ball well but his scoring totals have been very low. He has been averaging single digit points every month in 2011. Last double digit scoring average was back in December. And he still isn't rebounding at all for San Antonio.

R.Jefferson's contributions to San An this year have been overstated.

11ppg and 4rpg in 30mpg. Role player.

[jowwwman]

I don’t ever post on these forums but after seeing all these replies I just had to say something.  I  find it really puzzling to see so many Green fans jump to his defense when the guy has done NOTHING to show for it. His game three was undeniably his best game in the playoff so far, however wanting to reaffirm my opinion that Jeff Green is way overrated by many members on this board, I watched Green for every second of the game that he was in, and watching him play, I did not see a “superstar in the making” or whatever you want to call it. For every moment he was in the game the knicks were pulling closer to the Celtics and the main reason was Greens poor defense on the NY scrubs (although the poor bench play was part of it).

As for anyone who says that Jeff Green is a good defender because Melo had such a poor shooting night, watch the game again and watch Jeff Green on defense. Everytime he guards Melo he is either hit with a screen forcing one of his teammates to guard Melo, or he gets a foul because he can't keep up when Melo decides to drive on him. In the second quarter when all the starters came out and the lead started dwindling, surprise surprise, Jeff Green's man Shawne Williams goes off for 4-4 or something like that. Watch the game again, you will see in one instance that even Roger Mason of all people schools him with a step back jumper. When Jeff Green is in the game I would rather have Rondo guarding Melo than Green.

I think it’s funny that someone brought up Green's 4 rebounds as if it were some kind of great overlooked achievement, since he's usually such a poor rebounder, but did you actually watch the game to see how he got the four rebounds. Two of the rebounds were at the end of the game in garbage time when we didn't need him to get any more and he was just padding his stats. The other two rebounds he didn't fight or even really have to jump for to get, they kind of just bounced into his hands.

His shooting  and points scores is another thing that p---es me off. The guy has 9 points on 3-8 shooting and people here want to say that he is a SUPERSTAR in the making. Give me a break even scrubs have nights where they look like superstars and they do a hell of a lot better than 9 points on 3-8 shooting to get there.

 I have yet to see a game where Green has been able to contribute to the Celtics in any meaningful way that some other average player cannot. He hasn't gone off for any points, but we dont need that all we need is for him to play decent and not give up the lead. Sadly his defense and poor rebounding and lack of effort to get rebounds, despite his height, means the starters have to tire themselves out after building a respectable lead.

I'm tired of hearing things about his potential or "just wait and see Jeff Green will have a great night and all the haters will shut up." Give me a break, it will take a lot more than one good game for this "superstar “ to make up for his soft play, lack of heart and lack of effort. He represents everything the celtics are not, he's soft, invisible and someone no other team will overrate or pay any attention to besides the team that he is on. He will NEVER be a star player as he just doesn’t have the attitude like he cares. He seems like hes more content with just getting by and not having people bash him than actually play hard and help his team win.

Welcome to the forums, jowwwman. TP

While I don't think he is a Superstar player, he certainly could be a legit All Star. Bashing him doesn't help. Pro basketball is a business, and everybody should understand the trade is not going to be undone. Accept it.

Then, we all have opinions, and get frustrated by our players. I was a big TA fan, but he wanted more. Perk wanted more, and he got it in OKC.

The Celtics need to play better as a team, and that is on Doc. He's got to manage the rotation and stop messing with it.

Thanks for the welcome aporel. I still think there is no way Jeff Green will be an all star player. He has the potential to be a good scorer but nothing else. He has poor defense, and  mediocre rebounding and I honestly cannot see him developing into a great scorer as well because he is way too timid and inconsistent. He won't be clutch or play well on the big stage either as you can check his stats in the years the thunder have made the playoffs.

 Also not interested in hearing about potential because in the end winning the championship is all that matters and if Green doesnt step up and help us win this year, all his "talent and potential" will not be enough for us to ever make it deep into the playoffs if he is one of our major options in rebuilding. (that is provided we even keep Green on this team after this season). So really what's the point of keeping Green? trade him to some bottom feeding team and let him be an "all star" on that team.

[Proveo]

Richard Jefferson has been worse this season as an overall contributor, he's just hitting 3s at a very good rate, having a career year. And Jeff Green has 4 training camps under his belt, he's not some rookie.

But this season's Jefferson is actually a good benchmark for Green. Same level/type of player. Green brings less shooting but more rebounding. Not even close to an All-Star level of player.

[ballin]

I don’t ever post on these forums but after seeing all these replies I just had to say something.  I  find it really puzzling to see so many Green fans jump to his defense when the guy has done NOTHING to show for it. His game three was undeniably his best game in the playoff so far, however wanting to reaffirm my opinion that Jeff Green is way overrated by many members on this board, I watched Green for every second of the game that he was in, and watching him play, I did not see a “superstar in the making” or whatever you want to call it. For every moment he was in the game the knicks were pulling closer to the Celtics and the main reason was Greens poor defense on the NY scrubs (although the poor bench play was part of it).

As for anyone who says that Jeff Green is a good defender because Melo had such a poor shooting night, watch the game again and watch Jeff Green on defense. Everytime he guards Melo he is either hit with a screen forcing one of his teammates to guard Melo, or he gets a foul because he can't keep up when Melo decides to drive on him. In the second quarter when all the starters came out and the lead started dwindling, surprise surprise, Jeff Green's man Shawne Williams goes off for 4-4 or something like that. Watch the game again, you will see in one instance that even Roger Mason of all people schools him with a step back jumper. When Jeff Green is in the game I would rather have Rondo guarding Melo than Green.

I think it’s funny that someone brought up Green's 4 rebounds as if it were some kind of great overlooked achievement, since he's usually such a poor rebounder, but did you actually watch the game to see how he got the four rebounds. Two of the rebounds were at the end of the game in garbage time when we didn't need him to get any more and he was just padding his stats. The other two rebounds he didn't fight or even really have to jump for to get, they kind of just bounced into his hands.

His shooting  and points scores is another thing that p---es me off. The guy has 9 points on 3-8 shooting and people here want to say that he is a SUPERSTAR in the making. Give me a break even scrubs have nights where they look like superstars and they do a hell of a lot better than 9 points on 3-8 shooting to get there.

 I have yet to see a game where Green has been able to contribute to the Celtics in any meaningful way that some other average player cannot. He hasn't gone off for any points, but we dont need that all we need is for him to play decent and not give up the lead. Sadly his defense and poor rebounding and lack of effort to get rebounds, despite his height, means the starters have to tire themselves out after building a respectable lead.

I'm tired of hearing things about his potential or "just wait and see Jeff Green will have a great night and all the haters will shut up." Give me a break, it will take a lot more than one good game for this "superstar “ to make up for his soft play, lack of heart and lack of effort. He represents everything the celtics are not, he's soft, invisible and someone no other team will overrate or pay any attention to besides the team that he is on. He will NEVER be a star player as he just doesn’t have the attitude like he cares. He seems like hes more content with just getting by and not having people bash him than actually play hard and help his team win.

Welcome to the forums, jowwwman. TP

While I don't think he is a Superstar player, he certainly could be a legit All Star. Bashing him doesn't help. Pro basketball is a business, and everybody should understand the trade is not going to be undone. Accept it.

Then, we all have opinions, and get frustrated by our players. I was a big TA fan, but he wanted more. Perk wanted more, and he got it in OKC.

The Celtics need to play better as a team, and that is on Doc. He's got to manage the rotation and stop messing with it.

Thanks for the welcome aporel. I still think there is no way Jeff Green will be an all star player. He has the potential to be a good scorer but nothing else. He has poor defense, and  mediocre rebounding and I honestly cannot see him developing into a great scorer as well because he is way too timid and inconsistent. He won't be clutch or play well on the big stage either as you can check his stats in the years the thunder have made the playoffs.

 Also not interested in hearing about potential because in the end winning the championship is all that matters and if Green doesnt step up and help us win this year, all his "talent and potential" will not be enough for us to ever make it deep into the playoffs if he is one of our major options in rebuilding. (that is provided we even keep Green on this team after this season). So really what's the point of keeping Green? trade him to some bottom feeding team and let him be an "all star" on that team.

I couldn't agree more.

Honestly some of the talent evaluation that goes on here is absolutely appalling. I would stake my life on the fact that Jeff Green will never be an all-star, and yet some people have called him a "superstar" and a "stud". Ridiculous.

These are generally the same people calling Big Baby 6th man of the year, and saying that Krstic was an upgrade over Perkins. The world is a crazy, crazy place.

[LB3533]

Jeff Green is not going to morph into an AS or a Superstar coming off the bench.

Sorry.

People who want Jeff Green to deliver something so great can't expect him to be that if he is not put in that role to fulfill those lofty demands.

[aporel#18]

Thanks for the welcome aporel. I still think there is no way Jeff Green will be an all star player. He has the potential to be a good scorer but nothing else. He has poor defense, and  mediocre rebounding and I honestly cannot see him developing into a great scorer as well because he is way too timid and inconsistent. He won't be clutch or play well on the big stage either as you can check his stats in the years the thunder have made the playoffs.

 Also not interested in hearing about potential because in the end winning the championship is all that matters and if Green doesnt step up and help us win this year, all his "talent and potential" will not be enough for us to ever make it deep into the playoffs if he is one of our major options in rebuilding. (that is provided we even keep Green on this team after this season). So really what's the point of keeping Green? trade him to some bottom feeding team and let him be an "all star" on that team.

I think the Celtics should extend the QO, if he wants to be a Celtic he'll have to show it next season, no excuses. Then he can be a player for the future, or an excellent chip for a big trade. Danny always thinks big, and I'm sure he isn't closing any door. My guess is Danny also will try to keep Baby and Krstic on cap-friendly deals, or one-year contracts. These are the kind of players Danny will be able to package with the Clippers pick (and maybe Bradley if he shows some improvement) in the 2012 trade deadline. Expiring contracts combined with a lottery pick could be great.

They could also turn out to be solid contributors, but I think they're the pieces of next Danny's big trade. Of course, I'd like Green to be a Celtic All Star, but we must wait to know what happens.

[aporel#18]

Honestly some of the talent evaluation that goes on here is absolutely appalling. I would stake my life on the fact that Jeff Green will never be an all-star, and yet some people have called him a "superstar" and a "stud". Ridiculous.

These are generally the same people calling Big Baby 6th man of the year, and saying that Krstic was an upgrade over Perkins. The world is a crazy, crazy place.

that's a bold statement... really. I wouldn't stake anything on a sports prediction, even if it was Red Auerbach. But I'm sure most people on here will be claiming "Danny is a genius" when we get #18 this june through Nenad and Green significant contributions.

And Big Baby is a legit 6th man of the year, it's just his evil twin Big Lazy showing up in games what ruins his chances.

Krstic is a better FT shooter, heck, a better shooter than Perk. Is that an upgrade? 

[LB3533]

Jeff Green is 24 years old and has no history of serious injury or chronic shoulder dislocation.

He also hasn't had great coaching in his career or any real veterans to teach him the ropes.

All stars are not made because of solely on talent.

[ausbacker]

You're kidding yourself if you think Ibaka or Harden would have been on the table for a Perkins trade.

[LB3533]

Ibaka is a younger more athletic and more offensively gifted player than Perk.

Oh and then there is that less of an injury history too.

[Army_of_One_Nation]

Everyone is "hating (figuratively, not literally, okay)" on Green until he makes a last second basket to win number 18 for the C's.

[Roy H.]

Everyone is "hating (figuratively, not literally, okay)" on Green until he makes a last second basket to win number 18 for the C's.

I hope #18 doesn't come down to a last minute basket, and if it does, I hope Jeff Green isn't the one taking the shot.

[chambers]

there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.

100% incorrect. They threw in Jeff Green because we ASKED for him AND because they have Kevin Durant to fill the 3 spot.
It makes me laugh reading a statement like ' Harden has more upside than Jeff Green'. Seriously what a joke.
The way people imagine things to justify their position on the trade on this board sometimes just blows my mind.

[ballin]

there's a reason that green was available over ibaka and harden.
The other two have more upside, are younger, cheaper, better, and have more definable NBA roles.

100% incorrect. They threw in Jeff Green because we ASKED for him AND because they have Kevin Durant to fill the 3 spot.
It makes me laugh reading a statement like ' Harden has more upside than Jeff Green'. Seriously what a joke.
The way people imagine things to justify their position on the trade on this board sometimes just blows my mind.

Wait, you think they would have given us Ibaka if we asked for him? hahahahhaha

[LB3533]

In the West, big guys are a premium so they needed Perk AND Ibaka together.

Green was expendable to them.

Because of our depth at the 5, Perk was expendable to us.