If Wallace is going to retire, who could the Celtics trade him for (cap trade)

[RJ87]

Sheed for Michael Beasley, straight up.

Supposedly, Danny inquired about him around the trade deadline so I'm hoping it's in the back of his head. We just need official word on what Wallace is gonna do.

I know people keep whining about Beasley's off the court issues, but the talent is there. He just needs to be around focused veterans (KG and Paul, anyone?) and out of Miami Beach.

Rondo + Beasley = nice future.


In all honesty, I want this trade to happen so bad and I've already envisioned it so much that I'll be incredibly bummed if it doesn't happen.

[rondohondo]

Sheed for Michael Beasley, straight up.

Supposedly, Danny inquired about him around the trade deadline so I'm hoping it's in the back of his head. We just need official word on what Wallace is gonna do.

I know people keep whining about Beasley's off the court issues, but the talent is there. He just needs to be around focused veterans (KG and Paul, anyone?) and out of Miami Beach.

Rondo + Beasley = nice future.


In all honesty, I want this trade to happen so bad and I've already envisioned it so much that I'll be incredibly bummed if it doesn't happen.

I would love to get beasly without giving up any of the big 4. There is no way Miami trades him straight up for Sheed. It would probably take Sheed + #19 and maybe a future pick or BBD. I know Miami is not in love with him, but he was the # 2 overall pick a few years ago.

Beasly would be a perfect backup for PP and KG who he can learn under. He could get down both PP and KG's to about 30 a game, with beasly playing about 30 minutes too.

[celticsclay]

Well, I think he could be used as part of a bigger package, or a sign and trade, but if we are talking a smaller trade, here are the guys I would look really hard at:

Marvin Williams (if they want to resign Johnson and bring Childress over, they might look to dump him)

Nazr Mohammed - He had a great year last year, and would allow the C's to save the cap room next year.

Charlie Villanueva

Jeff Foster - Indy is close to the luxury tax, and would likely be happy to shed the salary

James Posey and Darren Collison - how desperate are the Hornets?

Leandro Barbosa - if they lose Staudemire, their cheap owner could look to sell off everyone.  Given the emergence of Dragic, Barbosa is not as necessary, so they might welcome getting him off the books.

Most of these players should probably retire along with Wallace. I thought Foster actually did have a career ending injury. And Mohammed? Wow

[celticsclay]

here's another variation on the min/gs trade that i cooked up (caution may cause brain malfunction)

bos sends rasheed
receives randolf, turriaf

min sends jefferson
receives rasheed, magette

gs sends magette, randolph
receives jefferson

it works on the trade machine! can't figure out why.

min gets a versatile wing scorer to compliment love . build around love/magette/flynn and picks. rasheed will either help their cap by retiring or provide competent play from the center spot.

gs gets rid of magette and lands big al

bos gets turiaf, a competent shot blocking center to fill in for, then back up KP. and the next big thing in a randolph who will thrive learning from KG and running with rr.

I like this especially cause I am a fan of Turiafs defense and think Randolph could learn a lot from KG and Clifford Ray

[ducksawce]

I would love for Boston to go for Beasley.  It seems that Miami is actively trying to get rid of him, and a trade involving Sheed would seem to do the trick just fine.

The guy has undeniable talent...it's really his "heart" and "drive" that are questioned.  Personally I don't think he lacks any of those attributes.  He is stuck on an underperforming team driven by a wildly transcendent superstar...and virtually no other stabilizing veteran presence (other than a washed-out Jermaine O'neal).  In other words, the Miami Heat are a team with ill-fitting parts, and I don't think it's quite fair to judge Beas by what he is (or isn't) able to do there.  Beas just doesn't fit well with D-Wade's style of play, and for that reason he is maligned by many that don't even watch him often.

  In addition, he's young, and he's in Miami Beach.  Would you trust some of OUR young guys (or even yourselves!) in a setting like that?

The main two questions are these:
1. How much risk is involved in acquiring a player like this?
2. How will this player fit on a team such as this in the future?

I think this is one of those low-risk, high-reward type of situations.  Beas can be taught the ropes by a REAL veteran...a REAL hall of fame-level power forward...KG.  I truly think he could turn out to be a protege of his.  I see the talent.  I think he just needs the guidance.  He will flourish under a Boston tutelage...and he'll be given a CLEAR role...unlike in Miami.

...and now we get to the second question.  It's unquestionably clear to nearly every fan of the Celtics (and even the NBA) that Rondo is the future of this club.  Boston needs players that suit HIS style of play.  Rondo needs a mobile 4 that can space the floor with excellent shooting, and even better drive penetration skills.  Beas fills the script perfectly.  He's also athletic, and he'll certainly run the fast break well with Rondo.  He has the potential to be an Amare-type player, especially with Rondo running the show.

Our team of the future needs more mobile, offensively-oriented bigs.  Given a year or two of bench tutelage under KG (and with Baby), Beas could turn into an all-star caliber player...maybe even more.  Who knows?  Who cares?  If you can get him for basically nothing (a retired Sheed contract), then go for it!

I have a feeling Danny is already planning for this.  This seems like his sort of thing.  Get a player on the downside of his potential...steal him from a team that doesn't appreciate his talents, and won't wait to develop them...and watch him build into the superstar that he can potentially be!

[celticsclay]

I would love for Boston to go for Beasley.  It seems that Miami is actively trying to get rid of him, and a trade involving Sheed would seem to do the trick just fine.

The guy has undeniable talent...it's really his "heart" and "drive" that are questioned.  Personally I don't think he lacks any of those attributes.  He is stuck on an underperforming team driven by a wildly transcendent superstar...and virtually no other stabilizing veteran presence (other than a washed-out Jermaine O'neal).  In other words, the Miami Heat are a team with ill-fitting parts, and I don't think it's quite fair to judge Beas by what he is (or isn't) able to do there.  Beas just doesn't fit well with D-Wade's style of play, and for that reason he is maligned by many that don't even watch him often.

  In addition, he's young, and he's in Miami Beach.  Would you trust some of OUR young guys (or even yourselves!) in a setting like that?

The main two questions are these:
1. How much risk is involved in acquiring a player like this?
2. How will this player fit on a team such as this in the future?

I think this is one of those low-risk, high-reward type of situations.  Beas can be taught the ropes by a REAL veteran...a REAL hall of fame-level power forward...KG.  I truly think he could turn out to be a protege of his.  I see the talent.  I think he just needs the guidance.  He will flourish under a Boston tutelage...and he'll be given a CLEAR role...unlike in Miami.

...and now we get to the second question.  It's unquestionably clear to nearly every fan of the Celtics (and even the NBA) that Rondo is the future of this club.  Boston needs players that suit HIS style of play.  Rondo needs a mobile 4 that can space the floor with excellent shooting, and even better drive penetration skills.  Beas fills the script perfectly.  He's also athletic, and he'll certainly run the fast break well with Rondo.  He has the potential to be an Amare-type player, especially with Rondo running the show.

Our team of the future needs more mobile, offensively-oriented bigs.  Given a year or two of bench tutelage under KG (and with Baby), Beas could turn into an all-star caliber player...maybe even more.  Who knows?  Who cares?  If you can get him for basically nothing (a retired Sheed contract), then go for it!

I have a feeling Danny is already planning for this.  This seems like his sort of thing.  Get a player on the downside of his potential...steal him from a team that doesn't appreciate his talents, and won't wait to develop them...and watch him build into the superstar that he can potentially be!

What happens if we trade Wallace for Beasley. Then Wallace decide he likes living in Miami, goes on the south beach diet and gets ripped out of his mind and sets back the clock five years with his play(ben wallace kind of did this this year btw). Then Miami signs D Wayde and Joe Johnson and a few nice vets at the minimum and eliminates us in six.

[EmilioBonilla]

I would love for Boston to go for Beasley.  It seems that Miami is actively trying to get rid of him, and a trade involving Sheed would seem to do the trick just fine.

The guy has undeniable talent...it's really his "heart" and "drive" that are questioned.  Personally I don't think he lacks any of those attributes.  He is stuck on an underperforming team driven by a wildly transcendent superstar...and virtually no other stabilizing veteran presence (other than a washed-out Jermaine O'neal).  In other words, the Miami Heat are a team with ill-fitting parts, and I don't think it's quite fair to judge Beas by what he is (or isn't) able to do there.  Beas just doesn't fit well with D-Wade's style of play, and for that reason he is maligned by many that don't even watch him often.

  In addition, he's young, and he's in Miami Beach.  Would you trust some of OUR young guys (or even yourselves!) in a setting like that?

The main two questions are these:
1. How much risk is involved in acquiring a player like this?
2. How will this player fit on a team such as this in the future?

I think this is one of those low-risk, high-reward type of situations.  Beas can be taught the ropes by a REAL veteran...a REAL hall of fame-level power forward...KG.  I truly think he could turn out to be a protege of his.  I see the talent.  I think he just needs the guidance.  He will flourish under a Boston tutelage...and he'll be given a CLEAR role...unlike in Miami.

...and now we get to the second question.  It's unquestionably clear to nearly every fan of the Celtics (and even the NBA) that Rondo is the future of this club.  Boston needs players that suit HIS style of play.  Rondo needs a mobile 4 that can space the floor with excellent shooting, and even better drive penetration skills.  Beas fills the script perfectly.  He's also athletic, and he'll certainly run the fast break well with Rondo.  He has the potential to be an Amare-type player, especially with Rondo running the show.

Our team of the future needs more mobile, offensively-oriented bigs.  Given a year or two of bench tutelage under KG (and with Baby), Beas could turn into an all-star caliber player...maybe even more.  Who knows?  Who cares?  If you can get him for basically nothing (a retired Sheed contract), then go for it!

I have a feeling Danny is already planning for this.  This seems like his sort of thing.  Get a player on the downside of his potential...steal him from a team that doesn't appreciate his talents, and won't wait to develop them...and watch him build into the superstar that he can potentially be!

What happens if we trade Wallace for Beasley. Then Wallace decide he likes living in Miami, goes on the south beach diet and gets ripped out of his mind and sets back the clock five years with his play(ben wallace kind of did this this year btw). Then Miami signs D Wayde and Joe Johnson and a few nice vets at the minimum and eliminates us in six.

hahaha i dang near peed myself!! Wallace is washed up, he can't handle a full season anymore. If anything I like the idea of bringing him in mid season aka Pj Brown deal and do some work for us in the playoffs, I love what he did for us in the post season and the heartbreaking game 7. He stepped big time. But if Beasley is available for that trade, Danny's gotta pull the trigger to get him!

[celticsclay]

I would love for Boston to go for Beasley.  It seems that Miami is actively trying to get rid of him, and a trade involving Sheed would seem to do the trick just fine.

The guy has undeniable talent...it's really his "heart" and "drive" that are questioned.  Personally I don't think he lacks any of those attributes.  He is stuck on an underperforming team driven by a wildly transcendent superstar...and virtually no other stabilizing veteran presence (other than a washed-out Jermaine O'neal).  In other words, the Miami Heat are a team with ill-fitting parts, and I don't think it's quite fair to judge Beas by what he is (or isn't) able to do there.  Beas just doesn't fit well with D-Wade's style of play, and for that reason he is maligned by many that don't even watch him often.

  In addition, he's young, and he's in Miami Beach.  Would you trust some of OUR young guys (or even yourselves!) in a setting like that?

The main two questions are these:
1. How much risk is involved in acquiring a player like this?
2. How will this player fit on a team such as this in the future?

I think this is one of those low-risk, high-reward type of situations.  Beas can be taught the ropes by a REAL veteran...a REAL hall of fame-level power forward...KG.  I truly think he could turn out to be a protege of his.  I see the talent.  I think he just needs the guidance.  He will flourish under a Boston tutelage...and he'll be given a CLEAR role...unlike in Miami.

...and now we get to the second question.  It's unquestionably clear to nearly every fan of the Celtics (and even the NBA) that Rondo is the future of this club.  Boston needs players that suit HIS style of play.  Rondo needs a mobile 4 that can space the floor with excellent shooting, and even better drive penetration skills.  Beas fills the script perfectly.  He's also athletic, and he'll certainly run the fast break well with Rondo.  He has the potential to be an Amare-type player, especially with Rondo running the show.

Our team of the future needs more mobile, offensively-oriented bigs.  Given a year or two of bench tutelage under KG (and with Baby), Beas could turn into an all-star caliber player...maybe even more.  Who knows?  Who cares?  If you can get him for basically nothing (a retired Sheed contract), then go for it!

I have a feeling Danny is already planning for this.  This seems like his sort of thing.  Get a player on the downside of his potential...steal him from a team that doesn't appreciate his talents, and won't wait to develop them...and watch him build into the superstar that he can potentially be!

What happens if we trade Wallace for Beasley. Then Wallace decide he likes living in Miami, goes on the south beach diet and gets ripped out of his mind and sets back the clock five years with his play(ben wallace kind of did this this year btw). Then Miami signs D Wayde and Joe Johnson and a few nice vets at the minimum and eliminates us in six.

hahaha i dang near peed myself!! Wallace is washed up, he can't handle a full season anymore. If anything I like the idea of bringing him in mid season aka Pj Brown deal and do some work for us in the playoffs, I love what he did for us in the post season and the heartbreaking game 7. He stepped big time. But if Beasley is available for that trade, Danny's gotta pull the trigger to get him!

Yea i wasn't really being serious with that.

[hubert.the.potato]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2at356t

+us and Memphis switch picks,we get Patterson and we have a pretty nasty frontcourt

[Fafnir]

Morris Peterson

- Gives the C's some depth at the wing position.
- NO needs the cap relief.
- Gives the Celtics an expiring contract to use at the trade deadline.

Ugh, we definitely could do better than Mo Peterson.

He's been playing at veteran minimum level performance for too long.

[Fafnir]

Sheed for Michael Beasley, straight up.

Supposedly, Danny inquired about him around the trade deadline so I'm hoping it's in the back of his head. We just need official word on what Wallace is gonna do.

I know people keep whining about Beasley's off the court issues, but the talent is there. He just needs to be around focused veterans (KG and Paul, anyone?) and out of Miami Beach.

Rondo + Beasley = nice future.


In all honesty, I want this trade to happen so bad and I've already envisioned it so much that I'll be incredibly bummed if it doesn't happen.

I would love to get beasly without giving up any of the big 4. There is no way Miami trades him straight up for Sheed. It would probably take Sheed + #19 and maybe a future pick or BBD. I know Miami is not in love with him, but he was the # 2 overall pick a few years ago.

Beasly would be a perfect backup for PP and KG who he can learn under. He could get down both PP and KG's to about 30 a game, with beasly playing about 30 minutes too.

I'd love to get Beasley too, I don't like the idea of him playing SF all that much though.

Still I think he'll get moved soon enough, but for a better package than the Celtics will likely want to offer.

[nickagneta]

Sign me up for Chris' idea of Leandro Barbosa idea. If Amare signs elsewhere shredding $6+ million in salary would go a long way towards opening up enough cap space for a high level free agent for Phoenix. Also, I think Barbosa is the perfect type of combo guard to pull off the bench for this team. It would mean the end of Nate, but I'm not losing any sleep over that.

[Fafnir]

Sign me up for Chris' idea of Leandro Barbosa idea. If Amare signs elsewhere shredding $6+ million in salary would go a long way towards opening up enough cap space for a high level free agent for Phoenix. Also, I think Barbosa is the perfect type of combo guard to pull off the bench for this team. It would mean the end of Nate, but I'm not losing any sleep over that.

I'd love to have Barbosa, he's overpaid for what he can do but we need a scorer on the bench.

[Who]

Morris Peterson

- Gives the C's some depth at the wing position.
- NO needs the cap relief.
- Gives the Celtics an expiring contract to use at the trade deadline.

Ugh, we definitely could do better than Mo Peterson.

He's been playing at veteran minimum level performance for too long.

Mo Peterson is not an NBA caliber player anymore.

Much better talent available for a minimum contract in free agency.

[Who]

Sign me up for Chris' idea of Leandro Barbosa idea. If Amare signs elsewhere shredding $6+ million in salary would go a long way towards opening up enough cap space for a high level free agent for Phoenix. Also, I think Barbosa is the perfect type of combo guard to pull off the bench for this team. It would mean the end of Nate, but I'm not losing any sleep over that.

I'd love to have Barbosa, he's overpaid for what he can do but we need a scorer on the bench.

No interest in Barbosa.

I think we're putting too much faith in the powers of mediocre scorers off the bench and how much they'll improve the Celtics offense + team overall.