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Simple Question, Will Iverson be wearing green this year?

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Offline illestmcsgt

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First off, A.I. is NOT the same player that entered the league in 1996 1st round 1st pick overall of the 76ers. He is still a great player who could make a team(not playoff or championship contender) better by becoming the star who gets them over the top. Grizzles have young up and coming players who don't need a star. They are rebuilding without one so why would they need him if he wasn't gonna be the one they build around?

I have watched him growing up in philly so I know him better then anybody does. He is not selfish and cares about himself. He is a player that has alot of pride and would not want to be on a losing team(like Grizzles or last year's Pistons) that were falling apart and accept a role as a backup who can't determine the game in the last minute. It's hard for somebody who is used to making a last shot then watch from the bench as his team loses. It's not selfishness if you knew who he was and how he can let himself take blame rather then acknowledge that he should been out there.

Now to answer these questions below because I'm the only one who knows A.I. more than those who think they do.

Can one of the AI lovers explain this:

If AI is so great, why is it 7 months after becoming a restricted free agent and one full month into the regular season, he remains unemployed?

First off he is a great player not only a future HOF and former M.V.P.

He was in a situation where they had Rip and a young Stuckey who they were playing. They were falling apart WAY before because of management and having a bad coach. Rasheed quit on the team and is on the Celtics so how come nobody is worried he could be a cancer? Because the Pistons last year were in no way his or A.I.'s fault for that matter. They were bound to go another direction so other teams saw that and didn't see what was really happening.

When he was playing with Sixers and Nuggets he was in the spotlight so obviously it's hard to translate that into being a bench role player. What reason does he have to be one if Pistons and Grizzles BOTH were losing and not going anywhere? If you were in his position you would think differently. Right?


Are the other 29 general managers in the league besides Chris Wallace just incompetent dolts that can't recognize what a prime example of an NBA player Iverson is?

No, if I was a general manager I would not look at his short play with Grizzles and last year as a example. Of course, he is not given a real chance to play like he would on the Knicks. Because he would not only help, but at those times be put in a bad situation where he was forced to sit.

If a team was to sit down and talk to him like the Celtics did with Marbury. Maybe then they will both have a clear idea of what he can offer and what role he can play on a team. It's gonna be a general manager's job to have a understanding from both parties.




Do the other 29 coaches in the league besides Lionel Hollins such idiots that they aren't clamoring all over their front offices begging them to sign Iverson because he is such a joy to coach and manage?

Red was a fan of his so you can only imagine what some coaches would be willing to do if they had a chance to coach the kid. Yes, that was his rookie year and he was a franchise player. How do you know if he can't go out and score like he did in his M.V.P. year if he was in the right situation? Coaches would LOVE to have a player like him if he can play and contribute to the game play. A.I. loved Larry Brown and to this day I know they both were honored to play for one another.


The AI love logic flies in the face of what is actually happening in the NBA. If AI was so great and such an easy player to handle and an excellent addition to compliment a championship team, wouldn't someone have picked him up long before this? Wouldn't there be rumors all over the place of teams like Orlando and Boston and Cleveland and LA and Phoenix and Atlanta wanting to grab him up?

He is in no way a player easy to handle because he does have high emotions and pride for his game. The only way he could play with a team like the Celtics would be if they had him in the game plan like they did with Marbury. It would never happen because he does have a ego like many players do and at this point of his career he still can only do so much. So to answer this question those teams would NOT want to sign him after all he has done. Maybe Bobcats, Knicks, Trailblazers(far chance because they have Miller), or other teams that might need his service more than championship contenders because he fits better in a environment where he is needed more.

Please, answer me the questions in this post, please.

So I did what you asked me to now if you disagree by all means I understand. But, I watched him closely and in every game for the Sixers. His press conferences and interviews where he did make lots of mistakes. Like all players do, he is not perfect so give him credit where deserved. This year and last was not a good example because of the situations where he was could not benefit him or the team.

I wish him best of luck wherever he goes even if it's not in the NBA. He is a talented player and I would not be surprised if Celtics pass on him like other teams would. Because he might not be the type of player they would want so that's understandable. Still he is a future HOFer and was one of the reasons Sixers got to the 2001 Finals that year. Has a great heart and would be a wonderful addition to a team that really could require his skills.
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Can one of the AI lovers explain this:

If AI is so great, why is it 7 months after becoming a restricted free agent and one full month into the regular season, he remains unemployed? Are the other 29 general managers in the league besides Chris Wallace just incompetent dolts that can't recognize what a prime example of an NBA player Iverson is? Do the other 29 coaches in the league besides Lionel Hollins such idiots that they aren't clamoring all over their front offices begging them to sign Iverson because he is such a joy to coach and manage?

The AI love logic flies in the face of what is actually happening in the NBA. If AI was so great and such an easy player to handle and an excellent addition to compliment a championship team, wouldn't someone have picked him up long before this? Wouldn't there be rumors all over the place of teams like Orlando and Boston and Cleveland and LA and Phoenix and Atlanta wanting to grab him up?

Please, answer me the questions in this post, please.
It's not that he is a great player anymore, but he is still 10x more talented than Marbury was last year and Danny too a gamble on him, so why not on take a gamble on a guy who can still play? It will be the same scenario as Marbury last year, sign him to the vet minimum and if he causes any trouble just cut his ass.  If he gets us 1 win in the playoffs it would be worth it .
How can you say AI is 10x better than Marbury was?  Everyone thought Marbury was an awesome signing initially.  Marbury came in and played his role exactly how he was supposed to.  Ball hog point guards just don't look very good when they aren't allowed to hog the ball.

Marbury didn't play for over a year and was all done . Iverson has had the much better career and even made it to the NBA Finals, Marbury never made it out of the 1st round til last year. Thats how I say A.I. is 10x better
Well then you are in the minority.  Most others saw Marbury in the preseason last year and thought he would be a huge addition.

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Can one of the AI lovers explain this:

If AI is so great, why is it 7 months after becoming a restricted free agent and one full month into the regular season, he remains unemployed? Are the other 29 general managers in the league besides Chris Wallace just incompetent dolts that can't recognize what a prime example of an NBA player Iverson is? Do the other 29 coaches in the league besides Lionel Hollins such idiots that they aren't clamoring all over their front offices begging them to sign Iverson because he is such a joy to coach and manage?

The AI love logic flies in the face of what is actually happening in the NBA. If AI was so great and such an easy player to handle and an excellent addition to compliment a championship team, wouldn't someone have picked him up long before this? Wouldn't there be rumors all over the place of teams like Orlando and Boston and Cleveland and LA and Phoenix and Atlanta wanting to grab him up?

Please, answer me the questions in this post, please.
It's not that he is a great player anymore, but he is still 10x more talented than Marbury was last year and Danny too a gamble on him, so why not on take a gamble on a guy who can still play? It will be the same scenario as Marbury last year, sign him to the vet minimum and if he causes any trouble just cut his ass.  If he gets us 1 win in the playoffs it would be worth it .
You aren't answering the questions.


I agree with you that Iverson is not an easy player to handle, thats why all teams are staying away from him. For the C's though they went through a similar situation last year with Marbury coming in and he didn't make a beep( which is exra impressive since we have all seen him eating vaseline and acting like a nut case on the internet). If this locker room is strong enough to handle a nut case like Marbury, why do you think it would be any different with Iverson?

Again , I am not saying just sign him, I said if he agreed to the terms that Marbury did last year, then why not? It is the ultimate low risk high reward situation..
You and others here are under the delusion that Iverson would agree to those terms. For all his lip service to the contrary, his actions speak much louder than his words. I don't care how bad your coach is you don't grab you ball and go home and abandon team mates. You don't quit on a team because the coach decides you are better off playing less minutes or off the bench.

AI can agree to anything he wants to, it's up to the GM to believe him and given his actions, do you blame any GM for thinking AI is full of crap for saying he would be content to come off the bench for a contender? I don't. I think they are all just good businessmen thinking about what is best for their team and not what is best for AI.

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I have watched him growing up in philly so I know him better then anybody does.

I thought he grew up in VA , the Norfolk area.  Great HS quarterback, then he had a run-in with the law.

Sorry, but AI is a HOF talent who has never grown up. He shoots too much and defends too little.  And he plays the game his way, or nothing.

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The only way AI signs with us is if he meets with Doc and Danny, then agrees to their terms. If he is willing to do this then he would be a great fit for this team.
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No when I(me) was growing up in philly watching him play for the Sixers. I know he grew up in VA so you took what I said out of context.

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First off, A.I. is NOT the same player that entered the league in 1996 1st round 1st pick overall of the 76ers. He is still a great player who could make a team(not playoff or championship contender) better by becoming the star who gets them over the top. Grizzles have young up and coming players who don't need a star. They are rebuilding without one so why would they need him if he wasn't gonna be the one they build around?

I have watched him growing up in philly so I know him better then anybody does. He is not selfish and cares about himself. He is a player that has alot of pride and would not want to be on a losing team(like Grizzles or last year's Pistons that were falling apart and accept a role as a backup who can't determine the game in the last minute. It's hard for somebody who is used to making a last shot then watch from the bench as his team loses. It's not selfishness if you knew who he was and how he can let himself take blame rather then acknowledge that he should been out there.

Now to answer these questions below because I'm the only one who knows A.I. more than those who think they do.

Can one of the AI lovers explain this:

If AI is so great, why is it 7 months after becoming a restricted free agent and one full month into the regular season, he remains unemployed?

First off he is a great player not only a future HOF and former M.V.P.

He was in a situation where they had Rip and a young Stuckey who they were playing. They were falling apart WAY BEFORE before of management and having a bad coach. Rasheed quit on the team and is on the Celtics so how come nobody is worried he could be a cancer? Because the Pistons last year were in no way his or A.I.'s fault for that matter. They were bond to go another direction so other teams saw that and didn't see what was really happening.

When he was playing with Sixers and Nuggets he was in the spotlight so obviously it's hard to translate that into being a bench role player. What reason does he have to be one if Pistons and Grizzles BOTH were losing and not going anywhere? If you were in his position you would think differently. Right?


Are the other 29 general managers in the league besides Chris Wallace just incompetent dolts that can't recognize what a prime example of an NBA player Iverson is?

No, if I was a general manager I would not look at his short play with Grizzles and last year as a example. Of course, he is not given a real chance to play like he would on the Knicks. Because he would not only help, but at those times be put in a bad situation where he was forced to sit.

If a team was to sit down and talk to him like the Celtics did with Marbury. Maybe then they will both have a clear idea of what he can offer and what role he can play on a team. It's gonna be a general manager's job to have a understanding from both parties.




Do the other 29 coaches in the league besides Lionel Hollins such idiots that they aren't clamoring all over their front offices begging them to sign Iverson because he is such a joy to coach and manage?

Red was a fan of his so you can only imagine what some coaches would be willing to do if they had a chance to coach the kid. Yes, that was his rookie year and he was a franchise player. How do you know if he can't go out and score like he did in his M.V.P. year if he was in the right situation? Coaches would LOVE to have a player like him if he can play and contribute to the game play. A.I. loved Larry Brown and to this day I know they both were honored to play for one another.


The AI love logic flies in the face of what is actually happening in the NBA. If AI was so great and such an easy player to handle and an excellent addition to compliment a championship team, wouldn't someone have picked him up long before this? Wouldn't there be rumors all over the place of teams like Orlando and Boston and Cleveland and LA and Phoenix and Atlanta wanting to grab him up?

He is in no way a player easy to handle because he does have high emotions and pride for his game. The only way he could play with a team like the Celtics would be if they had him in the game plan like they did with Marbury. It would never happen because he does have a ego like many players do and at this point of his career he still can only do so much. So to answer this question those teams would NOT want to sign him after all he has done. Maybe Bobcats, Knicks, Trailblazers(far chance because they have Miller), or other teams that might need his service more than championship contenders because he fits better in a environment where he is needed more.

Please, answer me the questions in this post, please.

So I did what you asked me to now if you disagree by all means I understand. But, I watched him closely and in every game for the Sixers. His press conferences and interviews where he did make lots of mistakes. Like all players do, he is not perfect so give him credit where deserved. This year and last was not a good example because of the situations where he was could not benefit him or the team.

I wish him best of luck wherever he goes even if it's not in the NBA. He is a talented player and I would not be surprised if Celtics pass on him like other teams would. Because he might not be the type of player they would want so that's understandable. Still he is a future HOFer and was one of the reasons Sixers got to the 2001 Finals that year. Has a great heart and would be a wonderful addition to a team that really could require his skills.
You gave me a great history of ASllen Iverson and seem to have a future in politics because you, in essence, didn't answer a single question.

Why does he remain unemployed?

You gave me a great history of what happened in Philly, Denver, Detroit and Memphis. Fabulous. Now answer the question. Why is he unemployed. Here's my thought. Because he's a pain in the ass to deal with, hard to coach, will not practice, and does not play within the offensive system of the coach. See, that's an answer.

Are the other 29 general managers in the league besides Chris Wallace just incompetent dolts that can't recognize what a prime example of an NBA player Iverson is?

So what you are saying is what? All the GMs are near sighted and are only looking at the last year or so? That's why they won't sit down? You think GMs don't sit down with players and say this is your role and do what the coach tells you to do? They just sign the player and that's it? They don't go back and interview former coaches or team mates or locker room personnel or agents or any of that? They don't look at game film and compare that to known plays the coaches he played for runs to see if he follows them? They don't look all the way back at their whole careers and listen to scouting departments reports about his first step, ability to guard one on one and all the other stuff? They don't judge whether a person will be a man of his word and do what he is told? And all 29 other GMs came to the same conclusion and are wrong?

Do the other 29 coaches in the league besides Lionel Hollins such idiots that they aren't clamoring all over their front offices begging them to sign Iverson because he is such a joy to coach and manage?

You're wrong. The only coach even remotely interested in having AI to coach is a former coach that coach him a decade ago when he was in his prime. Not one other coach has come forward saying they would love to have AI on therir team. Not one other current coach. Sorry sir, for all your AI knowledge, you are wrong about this.

The AI love logic flies in the face of what is actually happening in the NBA. If AI was so great and such an easy player to handle and an excellent addition to compliment a championship team, wouldn't someone have picked him up long before this? Wouldn't there be rumors all over the place of teams like Orlando and Boston and Cleveland and LA and Phoenix and Atlanta wanting to grab him up?

Gotta give credit where credit is due. You did answer this, kinda. No contenders would want him because he is difficult but Portland might. Portland is a contender, last I checked and there isn't even a hint of interest coming out of their camp because they have two pretty darn good PGs in the form of Andre Miller and Steve Blake and a current super duper NBA star in Brandon Roy at the SG spot. The Knicks rejected him today and the Bobcats turned him down before the season started and before they resigned Raymond Felton.

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A.I. best fits this celtics club. Currently Ray 34.8 minutes a game & Paul 34.5 minutes a game, play wayyyyy tooo many minutes. They burned out last year and I see it happening again already with this inconsistent play this teams been having. Ray and Paul are always in the line up whether with starters or the bench. Quis is a small forward at best, he's slow as an ox, and he's really not a creator. Thus the reason Eddie House struggles. Long story short, A.I. will help eddie tremendously, and Paul & Ray will no longer have to play with the bench players. Coach Doc likes playing his bench to rest the old aging starters, but can't do so because the bench lacks what the starting point (Rajon Rondo) has. A player with quickness, ball handling skills, that can create his own shot and create shots for others. No cancer here... question has there ever been a so-called cancer in the Celtics locker room???? The answer is NO!!!... so quit all this talking about cancer this cancer that. Marbury was good here, and could've been great. His only problem was he couldn't knock down shots.... SIGN ALLEN IVERSON RIGHT NOW!!! 8) 8) 8) I said long ago this team will never win another championship without James Posey, but with the likes of Allen Iverson on this team we could definitely make that happen again. Peace!!! ;)

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No when I(me) was growing up in philly watching him play for the Sixers. I know he grew up in VA so you took what I said out of context.

Yes, I did take it out of context.  But I disagree with your statement that he "grew up" in Philly.  He's been the same player ever since his rookie year.  He hasn't matured as a player.

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A.I. best fits this celtics club. Currently Ray 34.8 minutes a game & Paul 34.5 minutes a game, play wayyyyy tooo many minutes. They burned out last year and I see it happening again already with this inconsistent play this teams been having. Ray and Paul are always in the line up whether with starters or the bench. Quis is a small forward at best, he's slow as an ox, and he's really not a creator. Thus the reason Eddie House struggles. Long story short, A.I. will help eddie tremendously, and Paul & Ray will no longer have to play with the bench players. Coach Doc likes playing his bench to rest the old aging starters, but can't do so because the bench lacks what the starting point (Rajon Rondo) has. A player with quickness, ball handling skills, that can create his own shot and create shots for others. No cancer here... question has there ever been a so-called cancer in the Celtics locker room???? The answer is NO!!!... so quit all this talking about cancer this cancer that. Marbury was good here, and could've been great. His only problem was he couldn't knock down shots.... SIGN ALLEN IVERSON RIGHT NOW!!! 8) 8) 8) I said long ago this team will never win another championship without James Posey, but with the likes of Allen Iverson on this team we could definitely make that happen again. Peace!!! ;)
Ray and Paul are playing over a minute less per game than they did in the championship year. They are not playing way to many minutes. They're inconsistent play can probably be better attributed to it being the beginning of the year and an uneven schedule that saw them play 8 games in 12 days and then 4 games in the last 13 days. Inconsistent schedule...inconsistent play, not just for Paul and Ray, but for just about every Celtic.

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you know that was 3 years ago right? Even worse this year we have a very inconsistent 4 as our 3-point threat in Rasheed Wallace, instead of James Posey. There weren't any talks that year about playing those guys long minutes because we had like 60 blow out games LOL!!! 3 years later its not the same team. Right now the blame is on Rasheed for bricking so much, and on Doc Rivers for not putting Scalabrine in to shoot 3's. He more effective from deep. Why isn't Scal playing if he's not hurt? I'll tell you why... Marquis can't create and neither could Eddie so Scal suffers because one of the starters have to stay in and do the creating. Unfortunately they play either 2 or 3 and thats Scal only option. We need Iverson, if not him then another Point that is a scorer not shooter like Eddie.

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I have a perfect idea:

Iverson played brilliant unselfish basketball for about his first 3-5 games with Denver and Detroit before going back to the Iverson standard of defense-free ball hogging gunner.

So I would propose that every competent GM sign Iverson to a 10 day contract and essentially let him do his own victory tour around the NBA.  He would surely help whatever team during the 10 days and then simply start over  with another team before he became a malcontent.  He wouldn't have to "praktiss"....The games  would be his praktisses.

 

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It would be a circus if we signed AI.  Our team would instantly change.  You can't ask a scorer to take 5 shots a game.  And you can't ask Paul, Ray to shoot 5 less shots.

This team as constructed only works with chemistry.  Everyone gave in for the greater good.  But after the championship it seems like they lost that chemistry, now they are trying to get it back... adding a potential wrinkle in the pursuit of chemistry, even if there is an upside, is the last thing we should do.  

To answer the question of "Why other GM's haven't jumped at the chance to sign him"  A rebuilding team wouldn't want a vet that hinders the growth of other players.  A playoff team cares about defense, minus the suns.  

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you know that was 3 years ago right? Even worse this year we have a very inconsistent 4 as our 3-point threat in Rasheed Wallace, instead of James Posey. There weren't any talks that year about playing those guys long minutes because we had like 60 blow out games LOL!!! 3 years later its not the same team. Right now the blame is on Rasheed for bricking so much, and on Doc Rivers for not putting Scalabrine in to shoot 3's. He more effective from deep. Why isn't Scal playing if he's not hurt? I'll tell you why... Marquis can't create and neither could Eddie so Scal suffers because one of the starters have to stay in and do the creating. Unfortunately they play either 2 or 3 and thats Scal only option. We need Iverson, if not him then another Point that is a scorer not shooter like Eddie.
It was TWO years ago and the core of the team KG/Pierce/Ray/Rondo/Perk/House/Scal/Baby/Tony is still here. With Williams giving this team the same stuff Powe did and Sheed giving it the same stuff Posey did, offensively, it is virtually the exact same team.

No one is being overplayed and Daniels is a great addition that the 2007-08 team never had. The uncertainties of what Iverson brings far out weigh the certainties of problems that come along with him.

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First off he is a great player not only a future HOF and former M.V.P.

All that says is what a unequivocal joke the hall of fame is.