2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[JSD]

I don't think either Perk or Horford would put up the numbers, regardless of whether they're subjectively better or not.  Bynum could, but he's got to play a full season first.

Right but you are talking All start STARTER.  Its done by a vote, so whether or not they will be there, Horford, Bynumn and Perk are all more popular players than Nene, which we have talked about because people on this board think Nene is highly underrated.  

Yeah, but Nene is starting for Boston, the best fan base in the universe, so all the fans would diligently vote their guy in. 

Unless you're saying NY, Philly, and Chicago fans are better?   

Nah I agree that Boston fans are the best, but Nene just doesnt carry the weight around the country that the other guys do.

If Nene played in the pro-sports mecca known as Boston and had the best number's as a center on a competitive team he would start for the all-star team. He'd also get more national recognition.


EDIT: Not to mention the Brazil vote and every Brazilian in these parts (a lot of Brazilians around here) would be going nuts.

[nickagneta]

I don't think either Perk or Horford would put up the numbers, regardless of whether they're subjectively better or not.  Bynum could, but he's got to play a full season first.

Right but you are talking All start STARTER.  Its done by a vote, so whether or not they will be there, Horford, Bynumn and Perk are all more popular players than Nene, which we have talked about because people on this board think Nene is highly underrated.  

Yeah, but Nene is starting for Boston, the best fan base in the universe, so all the fans would diligently vote their guy in. 

Unless you're saying NY, Philly, and Chicago fans are better?   

Nah I agree that Boston fans are the best, but Nene just doesnt carry the weight around the country that the other guys do.

If Nene played in the pro-sports mecca known as Boston and had the best number's as a center on a competitive team he would start for the all-star team. He'd also get more national recognition.

Boston hasn't ever been able to get Pierce elected as a starter for the ASG, how the heck would we be able to get a decent talent like Nene elected when we find it impossible to get Hall of Famers like Ray and Paul elected?

[Rondo2287]

Haha in real draft related news, Class act by Rebus voting himself 2nd and Portland 1.  TP

[nickagneta]

Heck Jsaad, you haven't even got the West's center right. I don't care if he doesn't play this year, 2 billion Chinese basketball fans are going to vote in Yao as the Western starter.

[Roy Hobbs]

I don't think either Perk or Horford would put up the numbers, regardless of whether they're subjectively better or not.  Bynum could, but he's got to play a full season first.

Right but you are talking All start STARTER.  Its done by a vote, so whether or not they will be there, Horford, Bynumn and Perk are all more popular players than Nene, which we have talked about because people on this board think Nene is highly underrated.  

Yeah, but Nene is starting for Boston, the best fan base in the universe, so all the fans would diligently vote their guy in. 

Unless you're saying NY, Philly, and Chicago fans are better?   

Nah I agree that Boston fans are the best, but Nene just doesnt carry the weight around the country that the other guys do.

If Nene played in the pro-sports mecca known as Boston and had the best number's as a center on a competitive team he would start for the all-star team. He'd also get more national recognition.

Boston hasn't ever been able to get Pierce elected as a starter for the ASG, how the heck would we be able to get a decent talent like Nene elected when we find it impossible to get Hall of Famers like Ray and Paul elected?

Pierce had had guys at his position putting up better numbers, though.  When Pierce was putting up amazing numbers, his teams were bad.  When he was putting up lesser numbers on a championship team, Lebron was in front of him.

I think that if a player in Boston was putting up the best numbers at his position in the league, and was on a winning team, he'd be an all-star starter.  Maybe, though, I give fans too much credit.

[Roy Hobbs]

Haha in real draft related news, Class act by Rebus voting himself 2nd and Portland 1.  TP

He's just trying to duck Phoenix/Seattle in the second round. 

(Just kidding, of course.  Portland appreciates any vote it gets.)

[nickagneta]

I don't think either Perk or Horford would put up the numbers, regardless of whether they're subjectively better or not.  Bynum could, but he's got to play a full season first.

Right but you are talking All start STARTER.  Its done by a vote, so whether or not they will be there, Horford, Bynumn and Perk are all more popular players than Nene, which we have talked about because people on this board think Nene is highly underrated.  

Yeah, but Nene is starting for Boston, the best fan base in the universe, so all the fans would diligently vote their guy in. 

Unless you're saying NY, Philly, and Chicago fans are better?   

Nah I agree that Boston fans are the best, but Nene just doesnt carry the weight around the country that the other guys do.

If Nene played in the pro-sports mecca known as Boston and had the best number's as a center on a competitive team he would start for the all-star team. He'd also get more national recognition.


EDIT: Not to mention the Brazil vote and every Brazilian in these parts (a lot of Brazilians around here) would be going nuts.

I live in Everett. Their are more Brazilians in Everett then any other city per capita in the USA. They know futbol. They haven't got a clue who Nene is. believe me, I have Brazilian in laws and friends.

[JSD]

Haha in real draft related news, Class act by Rebus voting himself 2nd and Portland 1.  TP

Wow, The Roy Hobbs ball washing is on a hole other level at this point.  I kid I kid. I love hobbs too.

[Rondo2287]

That was more directed at Rebus than Roy.  After seeing countless people(Myself included) rate themselves number 1 in their conference/division I thought it was pretty awesome to see another team who is getting a good amount of #1 votes himself put somebody else at #1.  As I said I think it represents a real class act from the Buffalo Commish. 

[riah32]

Hey Dont understand How you guys have a team with roy, and hedo as low as you do.....Flynn will be started for minnesota this year and Thabeet should get a ton of minutes in memphis. I dont see how you guys cant see how good thompson really is. Try comparing him to other pf's and the numbers will be similar but a little less cause he didnt play a lot the first 2 months.

[Rondo2287]

Team starting two rookies from what is being called one of the worst drafts in recent memory combined with Thabeet being called the bust of the summer league doesnt make a great team in my opinion.  I liked Thabeet in college so I hope im wrong and hopefully I can vote your team higher in the second half. 

[riah32]

Team starting two rookies from what is being called one of the worst drafts in recent memory combined with Thabeet being called the bust of the summer league doesnt make a great team in my opinion.  I liked Thabeet in college so I hope im wrong and hopefully I can vote your team higher in the second half. 

I'm not Starting 2 rookies.....where did you see 2 rookies that start on my team. As far as thabeet and summer league goes that doesnt count in my opinion. The NBDL team played awsome and I dont see any of them in the nba and they beat the kings when I went to the game.

[Rondo2287]

Team starting two rookies from what is being called one of the worst drafts in recent memory combined with Thabeet being called the bust of the summer league doesnt make a great team in my opinion.  I liked Thabeet in college so I hope im wrong and hopefully I can vote your team higher in the second half. 

I'm not Starting 2 rookies.....where did you see 2 rookies that start on my team. As far as thabeet and summer league goes that doesnt count in my opinion. The NBDL team played awsome and I dont see any of them in the nba and they beat the kings when I went to the game.

Sorry from the way you talk about Flynn I thought you had him starting.  But Ya the summer league doesnt count for people excelling but people struggling in the summer league sends of warning signs. 

"Number two overall pick Hasheem Thabeet was a 'bust' in the Las Vegas summer league, according to Hoopsworld.com.

Our View: Thabeet apparently missed four dunks in a game at one point. He is incredibly raw offensively, and will only make significant contributions on the defensive end as a rookie, if he makes any at all. "

[indeedproceed]

Hey Dont understand How you guys have a team with roy, and hedo as low as you do.....Flynn will be started for minnesota this year and Thabeet should get a ton of minutes in memphis. I dont see how you guys cant see how good thompson really is. Try comparing him to other pf's and the numbers will be similar but a little less cause he didnt play a lot the first 2 months.

Instead of just saying stuff, back it up.

Here is why I think Phoenix is better than Sacramento:

Big AL Jefferson is in another class than Jason Thompson right now. 23 points and 11 rebounds is a little different than 11 points and 7.4 rebounds. Its not like Thompson doesn't play either, Al does all that in just over 8 mins more per game than Thompson, so its not like if you just played JT 36 mins per game he's do what Al does. Jefferson averages more pts per 48 mins, and more rbs. Thompson rebounds at a rate about like Kosta Koufos or Jason Smith do for my team, which is good by not elite.

Thabeet has been called a project player by everyone single sports analyst including but not limited to Hillary Clinton. We all know he's gonna take a few years, and we all know he's not going to average about 12 points and 11 rounds in 30 mins of play and shoot at a career clip of 60%. Not for a few years anyway.

Flynn and Rondo? Come on. He's a rookie! He's 5'6! Nate Robinson is gonna eat up Flynn, Rondo won't even get a full meal out of the kid.

Blake is a good player for your system, esp with Brandon Roy and Hedo on the wings. That doesn't mean that he can hold a candle to rondo, but he's a good fit.

Brandon Roy is a top 3 shooting guard in the NBA. I have little to no confidence in Roger Mason Jr to be able to do much beyond contain him. It should be said however that Brandon Roy blow up on Mason Jr this year, settling in at about his average numbers for the season.

Hedo Turkoglu was a great clutch player for the Magic this season. But I think on your team he becomes about average. Here is why:

1) Hedo is about an average defender. per Hollinger:

At the defensive end he has the size to bother shooters but isn't particularly quick or tough; in general, not much is asked of him at that end.

2) Hedo's shooting last season was good, not great. He shot around 35% from 3, which is even with Josh Howard, and overall he shot 41% from the field, his worst since 2004. He also turned 30 in august.

3) Hedo's recent (last 2 years) success is a product of a system, not an evolution in his game. Stan Van Gundy stopped letting Hedo Turkoglu be a sometimes iso, spot up shooter and forced him to be involved intimately on practically every possession of the half court offense. Hedo can do this because he's a very, very good ballhandler and passer for his size. When Van Gundy forced the ball into Hedo's hands, he forced Hedo to be more effective Just to show how great an effect this had on the guy, his ppg went from 11.3 from the year after his rookie season (he didn't play 20mpg until after that first year) to 2007, to 18.3 from 2007-2009.

So if you need Hedo to handle the ball every possession, who suffers? Steve Blake doesn't need the ball much, but he needs it some. He's the PG. Brandon Roy has the ball in his hands every single possession. Logically Brandon Roy's touches are going to suffer.

Plus you have no inside out threat. Hedo works best with a dominant big man, and you've got a hustle guy and a 7'3 project with hot dog fingers.

If you want to talk benches, I guess you could say that my frontcourt bench is just as unproven as yours, but all my guys have NBA experience. They all showed something promising in their career and have per minute production to support what I'm projecting for them. Your guys excepting Craig Smith, are all rookies or career bench warmers.

Why do you think your Sacramento is better than Phoenix?

[Rondo2287]

Here is an article on Thabeet.  Again I am very hopeful that he will have a good career because I really enjoyed watching him in college. But to have him starting at the 5 and hope to be given serious consideration for a win now team doesnt work right now.  But again I hope that at the halfway point I can vote you higher.



Memphis Grizzlies rookie center Hasheem Thabeet has been a punch-line on media row this week in Las Vegas.  In short, he hasn't looked like a player worthy of being a high second round pick let alone the #2 overall pick in the draft.

In Saturday's game Thabeet actually missed four dunks.  To say he looks raw on the offensive end would be an understatement.

"Sometimes I'm rushing the shots," said Thabeet.  "I ended up missing a couple of dunks (Saturday).  To me this is a process of growing up as a player and as a person.  I want to be a better player, and I'm going to keep working hard."

When asked what has been the biggest adjustment for him thus far, Thabeet replied: "The game pace.  The guys are so big and fast and as strong as you.  When you go out there you've got to be ready."

Spending some time with Thabeet this week I really like the kid on a personal level and believe he means well.  However, fans in Memphis are going to have to be patient because he's not NBA ready yet.