2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[riah32]

Hey if someone can name a team that had 2 legit all stars and failed to make the playoffs both of whom havent had any injury problems to speak of...so they should be around for the whole season. So take that into consideration when voting.

The Wizards were pretty terrible this year and both Butler and Jamison were all-stars.

A assume you're talking about where you ranked Houston?

Well played. And I'd argue that both of their All Stars are better than Sac Town's.

Well in Washinton's case, I think Roy is better than Butler and Hedo can be more valueable than Jamison in the right system.

But Hedo isn't even an All-star.

And as far as Houston goes, while I think Roy is better than Joe Johnson, I think Johnson/Bosh is the best inside outside combo we have in the fake CBL.

Joe johnson is a product of the system in Atlanta. I would also like to mention that hedo will work just fine with Roy. The system I'm imploing guarentees that which is a lot of pick and roll and isolation for those too. I think my bigs can space the floor a little better than Orlandos team this year. I also think Desmond Mason will be a lot better than you guys think he will be and will provide that Vet presence for the rookies.

[indeedproceed]

my back up is dante cunningham and or Sean Marks, big baby is 6'9 and thats worked for the celtics with leon powe. As far as washington goes butler being an all star is a fluke plus they had more injuires last year than any team in the past.

How is Butler a fluke? He's averaged roughly 20 pts, 7rbs and 4.6 assists over the past 3 seasons.

How are those not all-star numbers? Heck, how are those not borderline all-nba numbers?

Phoenix didn't make the playoffs, and they had Shaq and Nash all season.

You need a complete team to make the playoffs.

[bucknersrevenge]

East unofficial results:

1 Magic 48
2 Bulls 72
3 Rapts 100
4 Sixers 140
5 Celts 183
6 Nets 193
7 Pistons 221
8 Boxers 251
9 Cavs 256
10 Knicks 284
11 Bucks 318
12 Pacers 329
13 Hawks 342
14 Heat 419
15 Bobcats 423

Hey if this ends up being the final votes I just want to thank ChampKind, bucknersrevenge, Gomesfan, StartOrien, celtsrp33, Tradetime for playing this game these last few weeks. One or two of you guys should have made the playoffs, but that's life. Hopefully you stick around and vote and contribute through he playoffs and then in 6 months when your teams are awesome you can throw it in everyone's face. 

Appreciate the kind words jr. Good luck in the ECFs which is where you should end up IMO.

[indeedproceed]

Hey if someone can name a team that had 2 legit all stars and failed to make the playoffs both of whom havent had any injury problems to speak of...so they should be around for the whole season. So take that into consideration when voting.

The Wizards were pretty terrible this year and both Butler and Jamison were all-stars.

A assume you're talking about where you ranked Houston?

Well played. And I'd argue that both of their All Stars are better than Sac Town's.

Well in Washinton's case, I think Roy is better than Butler and Hedo can be more valueable than Jamison in the right system.

But Hedo isn't even an All-star.

And as far as Houston goes, while I think Roy is better than Joe Johnson, I think Johnson/Bosh is the best inside outside combo we have in the fake CBL.

Joe johnson is a product of the system in Atlanta. I would also like to mention that hedo will work just fine with Roy. The system I'm imploing guarentees that which is a lot of pick and roll and isolation for those too. I think my bigs can space the floor a little better than Orlandos team this year. I also think Desmond Mason will be a lot better than you guys think he will be and will provide that Vet presence for the rookies.

What is this system that Joe Johnson is a product of? "Give Joe the ball and hope he scores enough to get us to the playoffs?"

You're gonna run enough pick and rolls to keep both Brandon Roy and Hedo Turkoglu heavily involved in the offense? Are you only going to play one at a time?

Jason Thompson doesn't shoot all that great from the floor. Not horrible, but not amazingly well, and his post moves aren't magic sauce. Hasheem Thabeet is just grasping the glimmer of a hope of a prayer of an NBA scoring game.

I think you're drastically over valuing your own players.

[riah32]

Butler omly played that well cause agent zero has been hurt. I guess thabeet's 13 and 10 is too much to ask of him this year.....i dont think it is. He also had a triple double last year against providence with 10 blks....but I guess he'll be the next darko and flynn didnt do much for Syracuse. There will be plenty of balls to go around for Roy and Hedo and If need be I could bring one of the bench. I would have no problem started desmond mason over on or the other given he plays well or even Sam young if he pans out

[riah32]

ip who is your back up for big al?? Josh Mcroberts??

[Evantime34]

I know that you can't vote independent of division but my top four teams are in no particular order Golden State, Buffalo, Portland and Phoenix. I know that only two those teams can get the 1 and 2 spots while the others should get the 4 and 5 spots.

So I am starting my campaign for the playoff voting, those are the best teams and they should be the teams that get the farthest. I know the seeding might effect how some people vote, so I just wanted to throw my opinion out there.

[riah32]

Dont see how Houston, Memphis, and Utah can be ranked over me when Memphis doesnt have a superstar let a lone 2. Chandler was only good cause he played for the knicks. Houston doesnt have a center and his bench is worse than mine. Utah has as many question marks on the bench as me if not more so if someone would like to indulge me on how there ahead of me. 4 out of 5 teams from the pacific should be in the playoffs.

[riah32]

Two other things just came to my attention that both IP and Golden State have Kostas Kufos....pretty sure that cant happen. The other is Jeff Foster is on both the spurs and orlando so maybe that needs to get fixed so voters dont get the wrong impression. Vote Sacermaneto top 6 not lower than9 or 10

[Evantime34]

Two other things just came to my attention that both IP and Golden State have Kostas Kufos....pretty sure that cant happen. The other is Jeff Foster is on both the spurs and orlando so maybe that needs to get fixed so voters dont get the wrong impression. Vote Sacermaneto top 6 not lower than9 or 10

Koufos is on his team. BucknersRevenge how could you possibly have my team not make the playoffs? Please let me know so I can defend it's short commings before someone makes the same mistake.
1.Buffalo
2.Seattle
3.Houston
4.Portland
5.Phoenix
6.Utah
7.Minnesota
8.San Antonio
9.Golden St.
10.Dallas
11.New Orleans
12.Sacramento
13.Las Vegas
14.Denver
15.Memphis

[riah32]

Two other things just came to my attention that both IP and Golden State have Kostas Kufos....pretty sure that cant happen. The other is Jeff Foster is on both the spurs and orlando so maybe that needs to get fixed so voters dont get the wrong impression. Vote Sacermaneto top 6 not lower than9 or 10

Koufos is on his team. BucknersRevenge how could you possibly have my team not make the playoffs? Please let me know so I can defend it's short commings before someone makes the same mistake.
1.Buffalo
2.Seattle
3.Houston
4.Portland
5.Phoenix
6.Utah
7.Minnesota
8.San Antonio
9.Golden St.
10.Dallas
11.New Orleans
12.Sacramento
13.Las Vegas
14.Denver
15.Memphis

Buckner:
How do you have New Orleans ahead of me along with san antonio and minny and golden state and dallas out of the playoffs?

[bucknersrevenge]

Two other things just came to my attention that both IP and Golden State have Kostas Kufos....pretty sure that cant happen. The other is Jeff Foster is on both the spurs and orlando so maybe that needs to get fixed so voters dont get the wrong impression. Vote Sacermaneto top 6 not lower than9 or 10

Koufos is on his team. BucknersRevenge how could you possibly have my team not make the playoffs? Please let me know so I can defend it's short commings before someone makes the same mistake.
1.Buffalo
2.Seattle
3.Houston
4.Portland
5.Phoenix
6.Utah
7.Minnesota
8.San Antonio
9.Golden St.
10.Dallas
11.New Orleans
12.Sacramento
13.Las Vegas
14.Denver
15.Memphis

Evan, the decision to keep you out was tough. Really tough. Your team was very close with Minny and San Antonio. Ultimately, Minny gets in because I like their perimeter 2-way play with Nelson, Salmons, and RJ. ZBo is a moron but he can still get it done in the post and Damp is solid at Center.

I voted San Anton in because I liked the dynamic of their backcourt better than yours. Again 2-way play being the key here. Lamar Odom's championship experience and versatility allowing both Rose and Rip to play off the ball is terrific. Then add in the defensive versatility of an AK-47 and they JUST edged your offensive ability to get to the FT line which I love about your team. In the end guys like Booz and Nash are gonna be liabilities defensively. In my mind that gave the Spurs just barely enough to squeak by you. I debated that spot for a while and actually changed my mind a couple of times before deciding on this list.

[bucknersrevenge]

Two other things just came to my attention that both IP and Golden State have Kostas Kufos....pretty sure that cant happen. The other is Jeff Foster is on both the spurs and orlando so maybe that needs to get fixed so voters dont get the wrong impression. Vote Sacermaneto top 6 not lower than9 or 10

Koufos is on his team. BucknersRevenge how could you possibly have my team not make the playoffs? Please let me know so I can defend it's short commings before someone makes the same mistake.
1.Buffalo
2.Seattle
3.Houston
4.Portland
5.Phoenix
6.Utah
7.Minnesota
8.San Antonio
9.Golden St.
10.Dallas
11.New Orleans
12.Sacramento
13.Las Vegas
14.Denver
15.Memphis

Buckner:
How do you have New Orleans ahead of me along with san antonio and minny and golden state and dallas out of the playoffs?

riah, you're not gonna like this answer but I don't think you're big enough...at all. And the size you do have is young. It's really young in Thabeet and Thompson who both may have exciting upside but in this division they're gonna be goin up against the likes of Howard, Jamison, Okur, Boozer, Big Al and Biedrins. It's gonna be lambs to the slaughter every night for a while for these 2. At least for 2 more years and you have not back them up with a veteran big that can actually be counted on. Just an undersized mediocre PF in Smith. I was thinking as I looked at your team I wish I could've brokered a deal for you with Dallas who I also kept out. They have a log jam of 4's they should've given up for more perimeter scoring.

You've got a perimeter group but I don't like the balance. To be honest the skill of that periemter group is the only reason you're not further down the list. The teams above you on my list are balanced better overall I think.

[Edgar]

yup easier brackets coming my way

love the hype

[Rondo2287]

Certainly a diverse showing so far in the ballots.  Alot of the same names in the top 8 but in different spots. 

Roy I know you said you thought the West was a stronger Conference than the east, but do you think there is a division out west that stacks up with the Atlantic?