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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1200 on: August 14, 2009, 12:40:00 AM »

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Justification for Western Voting:

1) Portland-Its the begining of the season. I can't rightly disqualify a team for injuries that may or may not happen.
2) Buffalo-Before the season warms up this has to be the favorite in the Pacific IMO. Dwight Howard is the best player in the conference, and the second most dominant player in the league. I don't agree with all the surrounding parts, but they don't stop this team from being a favorite right now.
3) Houston-This could easily be Dallas, but I thikn Houston's talent at the top is better. A lot of their success depends on just how "David Robinson-esque" Randolph is, and how Ellis does playing as a starting point on a good team. JJ can do a good job handling a lot of the ball handing duties.
4) Phoenix- I've thought a lot about this, and I've come to the conclusion that even though I still believe that come playoff time I should be the best team, I don't think I will have the best record in a conference where we are going to absolutely beat the crap out of each other.
5) Seattle- Great team, should be better in the playoffs also.
6) Golden State- The 1 2 3 of Buffalo Phoenix and Golden State is very much debatable. We're all playoff teams, its all personal preference. I think Phoenix finishes slightly better.
7) Dallas- A solid team that will make the playoffs, but I don't think they're remarkable. Their front line to me is a little redundant, and when the top 5 teams all have establishes and strong post presences, this will hurt, more in the playoffs though.
8) Utah-I think Dirk Nowitzki and Chauncey alone are enough to guarantee a playoff spot. Mike Dunleavy healthy and in 2007/08 form should put them ahead of Dallas.
9) San Antonio-I think this could be a playoff team, but someone had to be the close loser. From other votes I think they're underrated, but I don't think their bench is good enough to get into the dance, and I don't think their stars are good enough to compensate for the bench.
10) Memphis-Frontline and wing depth both concerns too much for me to put them above San An, but I will get back to them.
11) Sacramento-I feel really bad about leaving Brandon Roy out of the playoffs. He's the 2nd best SG in basketball, but I don't like Hedo paired with him, I don't think Thabeet or Thompson are starting caliber players on playoff teams, and I don't like any of their bench beyond Craig Smith to play a major role this year.
12) Denver-Very good young team, but too young I think. I'd like to put them higher, but I don't think they will be this year. Pietrus and Azubuike are both good wing players, and Haslem is a good post player, but I don't think they're good enough to push the youngsters to make a big leap this year.
13) Minny-I can't get behind a team that's gonna need goot night in night out production from Peja, Z-Bo, and John Salmons. This is a team built of supporting players, without a leader.
14) New Orleans-I don't want this to seem like Kobe hate, but even Kobe doesn't like the pieces around him here.
15) Las Vegas- Some players I think are over hyped (Ariza stands out), and some players aren't ready for primetime(Beasley, Hickson, Gordon). Very good TOTF, but not a good team of the present.

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1201 on: August 14, 2009, 12:41:14 AM »

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Funny that with all the talk of integrity and subjective voting only Washington, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Miami, New York and Atlanta didn't vote themselves winners of their divisions and Atlanta and New York didn't vote so that's the only reason they didn't vote themselves winners of their divisions.

Most out of place upward vote: Indiana coming in 12th getting a 1st place vote(their own).

Most out of place downward vote: (tie) Detroit coming in 7th voted 13th and Washington coming in 8th voted 14th.

Most consistent placement: Charlotte 25 votes for 15th.

Most inconsistent placing: Washington every position from 5th to 14th

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1202 on: August 14, 2009, 12:42:57 AM »

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Votes and reasons

1. Buffalo- Best talent, best balance. The bench is a problem, but not enough of one.
2. Memphis I think we win our division and have a better record than Portland for the reason belw, even though I think Portland is better.
3. Portland:I see them as more of a 95 Rockets except with a less difficult division.
4. Golden State: With the 2nd Best record in the west, Stupid Pacific Division.
5.Phoenix: With the 3rd best record in the West, stupid Pacific.
6. Utah : Could be a considerable bump if Dunleavy comes back healthy.
7. Seattle: TD's last ride.
8. Dallas: A lot of firepower, I just hate the team structure.
9. Houston: Don't like Bosh and Randolph Frountcourt ad I hate the Monta and Joe Johnson back court. At some point playing styles have to com into play.
10. Minnesota: Great wings, ZBo kills it, as much as I hate to dog CiO.
11. New Orleans: KOBE and... Russell Westbrook.
12. Sacramento: Great wings, not so grea point and frount court
13. Denver: If they can trade Yao for something big, or trade Oden, this team will be nasty.
14. Vegas: Give it time
15. San Antonio: Just not enough there.


Well what you said about scareamento makes no sense or you must not watch that much basketbball. Blake is a great point guard to have and matter of fact alot of guys on here wanted him. My front court is better then years in my opioino.

I said Blake is not so great. meaning he's not on Roy's or Hedo's level. Also, he fact that he played horribly in te playoffs made me sour on him a litle. He's a good point guard when you surround him with players, I didn't think you did that. Also, I think your frount court gets pounded in your division. I like your team in a few yars if Flynn and Thabeet develop. I think only Flynn will though. I think jason Thompson is a product of playing for a cruddy team.

I could say brooks is a product of a cruddy team then too and same with bargnani.

I think you guys value the big names more than some of the little names that you dont here anything about.

Like Hasheem Thabeet or Johnny Flynn? I'm confused. As far as Thompson goes, he puts up good offensive numbers on a bad team, Lopez puts up good offensive an defensive numbers on a better team. What Lopez does is a better indicator for what kind of player he is. Bargs' numbrs , IMO, are actully deflated bcause he has to play with another face up big, that beingsaid his numbers are getting steadily better despite this handicap and hi team was better than the Kings.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1203 on: August 14, 2009, 12:43:25 AM »

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See? Stephen Jackson did it at the SG. I told you so. :)

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1204 on: August 14, 2009, 12:44:13 AM »

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Close one there.  Wow.  Congrats on making the playoffs, and condolences to Champ, if these hold up as official.

That stinks Champ. I don't know how you miss the playoffs and Philly is actually 4th in the voting. But whatever.
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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1205 on: August 14, 2009, 12:45:02 AM »

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So, better conference, East or West?

I'm biased, but I'm saying West by a long shot. 

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1206 on: August 14, 2009, 12:45:14 AM »

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Justification for Western Voting:
10) Memphis-Frontline and wing depth both concerns too much for me to put them above San An, but I will get back to them.

Yeah you will. In January when we're tearing up the league and everyone's all surprised. "Whoah, Boris Diaw is a major reason Charlotte is making the playoffs? Brook Lopez is averaging 17 10 and 2? Wilson Chandler is a Beast? Bargs is averaginf 19 and 7? Omris Casspi has no foreskin?"

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1207 on: August 14, 2009, 12:45:28 AM »

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See? Stephen Jackson did it at the SG. I told you so. :)

If the results hold up it's Orlando vs Washington in the first round and I'm smelling the first ever #1 seed to go down in a 7 game series to a #8 seed in NBA history.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1208 on: August 14, 2009, 12:47:55 AM »

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See? Stephen Jackson did it at the SG. I told you so. :)

If the results hold up it's Orlando vs Washington in the first round and I'm smelling the first ever #1 seed to go down in a 7 game series to a #8 seed in NBA history.

Stephen Jackson already did it once.  (Link.)

Unless you mean the series is actually going seven games.

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1209 on: August 14, 2009, 12:48:05 AM »

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See? Stephen Jackson did it at the SG. I told you so. :)

If the results hold up it's Orlando vs Washington in the first round and I'm smelling the first ever #1 seed to go down in a 7 game series to a #8 seed in NBA history.

Stephen Jackson has some highlight reels for you to watch.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1210 on: August 14, 2009, 12:48:58 AM »

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Justification for Western Voting:
10) Memphis-Frontline and wing depth both concerns too much for me to put them above San An, but I will get back to them.

Yeah you will. In January when we're tearing up the league and everyone's all surprised.

lol

Getting back to you like I promised:

The Southwest division was the hardest to rank by a long shot for me. The top 3 teams in teh pacific can debate all they want (and we have) who is better, but the SW has 4 teams that I see as pretty evenly matched. More than the Pacific division play will be a huge component in who makes the playoffs.

If for some reason Memphis has lets say Dallas's # all season, Memphis is in  and Dallas is probably out.

Its really razor thin to me. I think you have a good team, but I just went with my substantial gut. If you end up winning the division I won't even be surprised.  

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Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1211 on: August 14, 2009, 12:50:11 AM »

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See? Stephen Jackson did it at the SG. I told you so. :)

If the results hold up it's Orlando vs Washington in the first round and I'm smelling the first ever #1 seed to go down in a 7 game series to a #8 seed in NBA history.

Stephen Jackson already did it once.  (Link.)

Unless you mean the series is actually going seven games.
Tell that to wd.

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1212 on: August 14, 2009, 01:05:41 AM »

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East unofficial results:

1 Magic 48
2 Bulls 72
3 Rapts 100
4 Sixers 140
5 Celts 183
6 Nets 193
7 Pistons 221
8 Boxers 251
9 Cavs 256
10 Knicks 284
11 Bucks 318
12 Pacers 329
13 Hawks 342
14 Heat 419
15 Bobcats 423

Hey if this ends up being the final votes I just want to thank ChampKind, bucknersrevenge, Gomesfan, StartOrien, celtsrp33, Tradetime for playing this game these last few weeks. One or two of you guys should have made the playoffs, but that's life. Hopefully you stick around and vote and contribute through he playoffs and then in 6 months when your teams are awesome you can throw it in everyone's face.  ;D

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1213 on: August 14, 2009, 01:10:01 AM »

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Yep, we're definately hanging around the 8,9,10 range, then come January this team will get the respect it deserves, I tell ya! ;D

Re: 2009 Celticsblog Draft: Playoff Voting Analysis Thread
« Reply #1214 on: August 14, 2009, 01:10:50 AM »

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1. Seattle
2. Buffalo
3. Dallas
4. Portland
5. Sacramento
6. Phoniex
7. Golden State
8. Utah
9. Houston
10. Memphis
11. Minnesota
12. Denver
13. San Antonio
14. New Orleans
15. Las Vegas

What went into picking Seattle over Portland?

"You've gotta respect a 15-percent 3-point shooter. A guy
like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner