2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[RebusRankin]

I'm curious too how Charlotte who starts 3 rookies and a second year player with youngsters off the bench and a young cuba team finish ahead of Toronto.

[dark_lord]

athleticism and penetration ability

[bdm860]

I speak for nobody but myself but in real life a team with Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler, and Antawn Jamison finished last in their conference.  Also a team with Baron Davis, Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Al Thorton fishined with the same amount of wins and finished second to last in their conference.

If Garnett doesn't come back healthy and misses the majority of next season and Artest goes AWOL, both very real possibilites, then I could definitely see how someone could view Toronto on the same level as real life LAC and Washington - who finished last and second to last in their conferences.  Did any NBA analysts pick Washington to finish dead last last year? Yet it still happened.  Maybe DL thinks Garnett will miss a lot of time next year(he mentioned his health and he's old) and maybe DL thinks Artest will go crazy and leave the team (he mentioned how Artest is unpredictable and makes teams implode), if he factored Garnett and Artest out of the equation (both of them not being with their teams next year is not outside the realm of possibility) then I could easily see how someone could view Toronto as a last place team.  Just like real life LAC or Washington.

[KCattheStripe]

I speak for nobody but myself but in real life a team with Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler, and Antawn Jamison finished last in their conference.  Also a team with Baron Davis, Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Al Thorton fishined with the same amount of wins and finished second to last in their conference.

If Garnett doesn't come back healthy and misses the majority of next season and Artest goes AWOL, both very real possibilites, then I could definitely see how someone could view Toronto on the same level as real life LAC and Washington - who finished last and second to last in their conferences.  Did any NBA analysts pick Washington to finish dead last last year? Yet it still happened.  Maybe DL thinks Garnett will miss a lot of time next year(he mentioned his health and he's old) and maybe DL thinks Artest will go crazy and leave the team (he mentioned how Artest is unpredictable and makes teams implode), if he factored Garnett and Artest out of the equation (both of them not being with their teams next year is not outside the realm of possibility) then I could easily see how someone could view Toronto as a last place team.  Just like real life LAC or Washington.

Give that man a cookie.

[Donoghus]

After looking over the circumstances and taking all factors into consideration, I'm going to disallow the vote.  Please respect my decision and I would appreciate it if everyone would refrain going after parties involved and just let it go. 

This wasn't an easy decision but I feel its in the best interests of this month-long draft to disallow the vote.

[celtsrp33]

After looking over the circumstances and taking all factors into consideration, I'm going to disallow the vote.  Please respect my decision and I would appreciate it if everyone would refrain going after parties involved and just let it go. 

This wasn't an easy decision but I feel its in the best interests of this month-long draft to disallow the vote.

Hey Dons,

That was your 6000th post!  Congrats!

[Roy Hobbs]

After looking over the circumstances and taking all factors into consideration, I'm going to disallow the vote.  Please respect my decision and I would appreciate it if everyone would refrain going after parties involved and just let it go. 

This wasn't an easy decision but I feel its in the best interests of this month-long draft to disallow the vote.

Hey Dons,

That was your 6000th post!  Congrats!

Welcome to the Don Nelson club, Dons.

[indeedproceed]

Congrats and I agree with the choice. Right move.

[nickagneta]

The vote would not have effected the order of finish of the top 4 teams Dons.

Disqualifying that vote now calls into question some other fairly strange placings doesn't it? Why are those allowed?

Shouldn't we just let every vote count?

[dark_lord]

The vote would not have effected the order of finish of the top 4 teams Dons.

Disqualifying that vote now calls into question some other fairly strange placings doesn't it? Why are those allowed?

Shouldn't we just let every vote count?

its all good nick.  the decision was made, dons took care of it like a stand up guy thru pm's and whatnot. 

im cool with it and have let it go.

[celtsrp33]

I truly believe that although the Heat are very young, many people are taking that too far.  We have very good balance - much more than many other teams.  We have a nice inside game with the combo of Hawes, Thomas, Speights; a good distributor in Felton; some good slashers and shooters with Young, Outlaw, Harden, Batum and Redick and we are super athletic.  I just think we are being written off/overlooked because of age.  This is a team that could make a run at an 8 seed in my opinion (even though my voting may not show it)

I just don't believe we are a 14 or 15 team in the east.  

[nickagneta]

I truly believe that although the Heat are very young, many people are taking that too far.  We have very good balance - much more than many other teams.  We have a nice inside game with the combo of Hawes, Thomas, Speights; a good distributor in Felton; some good slashers and shooters with Young, Outlaw, Harden, Batum and Redick and we are super athletic.  I just think we are being written off/overlooked because of age.  This is a team that could make a run at an 8 seed in my opinion (even though my voting may not show it)

I just don't believe we are a 14 or 15 team in the east.  

As Roy noted earlier, take a look at real life Golden State.

Kelenna Azubuike
Andris Biedrins    
Monta Ellis    
Stephen Jackson
Acie Law
Corey Maggette
Anthony Morrow
Anthony Randolph
Ronny Turiaf
Brandan Wright

Looks pretty formidable and maybe this year they will be but last year they were young, inexperienced and bad.

That said, I think you have one of the 3 best future teams in the league, Cuba.

[nickagneta]

Ran some numbers and I have the results if anyone wants a tally PM me.

[Roy Hobbs]

Ran some numbers and I have the results if anyone wants a tally PM me.

It's probably okay to post an "unofficial" tally for the East, now that voting has been locked.

[bucknersrevenge]

since i have been asked to validate toronto as my last place team, here it goes:


i believe their bench is very week. big z and finley are over the hill and dont bring much to the table.  barea is ok, but is very undersized.  i think he had some success bc he caught people off guard, but now teams know how to play him. belinelli is overrated on these boards.  he is very soft...a physical guard would kill him.  warrick is average at best.  maynor and griffin are garbage, imo.

andre miller is vastly overrated.  he pounds the ball too much and is average at best. he would be a solid backup but not as a starter, imo.  garcia is a role player off the bench, solid, but nothing more than average, imo.  artest is very good, but he is a wildcard.  i wouldnt want him on my team if i were a gm bc he is unpredictable and has a history of imploding teams.  kg, their best player is coming of a major knee injury and is an older player (love him, but being objective).  camby is another player vastly overrated in these boards.  solid defender, but not a lockdown big, imo bc of his lack of strength and size. he brings nothing offensively. 

a few great defenders, but only decent defensively as a team. but they lack good offensive power. should have kept arenas, instead of trading for miller.

Not sure I agree with that but what I think doesn't matter. I respect the hell outta that answer. "That's my answer. You don't like it. That's a personal problem". I love it dl.