Rumor (now reported by Spears) - Rondo to Memphis?

[Jon]

Here's an interesting stat line for a third year player picked 6th in the draft.  We'll call him mystery player #1: 16.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.1 spg on 43% shooting.  

Here's the stat line for third year player Rudy Gay, drafted 8th in the draft: 18.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.7 apg, 1.2 spg on 45% shooting.  

Who was mystery player #1?  None other than our own Ron Mercer and the stats were for his first season after we traded him where he split time in Denver and Orlando.  Where is he today?  Nowhere.  

I'm not saying that Gay is destined for the same future; however, let's also not assume that good stats on bad teams are going to translate to superstardom.  If that was the case, Ron Mercer would still be in the league.  

[Gemini]

Can someone explain this trade for Memphis?


I think

Conley
Mayo
Gay
Gasol
Thebeat

Is not a terrible starting lineup


vs.

Rondo
Mayo
Scali?
Gasol
Thabeat?


Unless they have a SF in mind they like better then Gay in this draft.

Warrick is a better option than Scal and they are way under the cap and could sign some FA's

[nickagneta]

Conley is nowhere near as good as Rondo right now and while both players will grow over the next few years, I don't see Conley becoming anywhere near the player Rondo will be. I think this mostly because Rondo's defense, playmaking ability, ability to finish and rebound are so much better than Conley's will ever be that it offsets and far outdistances Conley's current better ability to hit an outside shot.

I still have to think that an alternative long term strategy in acquiring Conley is to be on the inside track for getting Oden in 3 years. Conley might not be Rondo but he will be a more than serviceable PG. But his lesser value overall could well be offset by Danny getting a great working relationship with Mike Conley Sr., who just so happens to be Oden's agent as well as his son's.

[wdleehi]

Here's an interesting stat line for a third year player picked 6th in the draft.  We'll call him mystery player #1: 16.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.1 spg on 43% shooting.  

Here's the stat line for third year player Rudy Gay, drafted 8th in the draft: 18.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.7 apg, 1.2 spg on 45% shooting.  

Who was mystery player #1?  None other than our own Ron Mercer and the stats were for his first season after we traded him where he split time in Denver and Orlando.  Where is he today?  Nowhere.  

I'm not saying that Gay is destined for the same future; however, let's also not assume that good stats on bad teams are going to translate to superstardom.  If that was the case, Ron Mercer would still be in the league.  

Gay has better numbers (and has put up even better then that).


Not to mention that injuries, not skill, ended Mercers career.

[wdleehi]

Conley is nowhere near as good as Rondo right now and while both players will grow over the next few years, I don't see Conley becoming anywhere near the player Rondo will be. I think this mostly because Rondo's defense, playmaking ability, ability to finish and rebound are so much better than Conley's will ever be that it offsets and far outdistances Conley's current better ability to hit an outside shot.

I still have to think that an alternative long term strategy in acquiring Conley is to be on the inside track for getting Oden in 3 years. Conley might not be Rondo but he will be a more than serviceable PG. But his lesser value overall could well be offset by Danny getting a great working relationship with Mike Conley Sr., who just so happens to be Oden's agent as well as his son's.

Another positive for such a move.

[Tradetime]

Can someone explain this trade for Memphis?


I think

Conley
Mayo
Gay
Gasol
Thebeat

Is not a terrible starting lineup


vs.

Rondo
Mayo
Scali?
Gasol
Thabeat?


Unless they have a SF in mind they like better then Gay in this draft.

I think Hakim Warrick would start at the SF position, not Scal.

[Jon]

Here's an interesting stat line for a third year player picked 6th in the draft.  We'll call him mystery player #1: 16.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.1 spg on 43% shooting.  

Here's the stat line for third year player Rudy Gay, drafted 8th in the draft: 18.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.7 apg, 1.2 spg on 45% shooting.  

Who was mystery player #1?  None other than our own Ron Mercer and the stats were for his first season after we traded him where he split time in Denver and Orlando.  Where is he today?  Nowhere.  

I'm not saying that Gay is destined for the same future; however, let's also not assume that good stats on bad teams are going to translate to superstardom.  If that was the case, Ron Mercer would still be in the league.  

Gay has better numbers (and has put up even better then that).


Not to mention that injuries, not skill, ended Mercers career.

He has marginally better number and Mercer had a 19.7 ppg season himself.  Injuries or not, Mercer never turned into anything special.  I personally think Gay will be better then Mercer; however, I think many of us had pretty high expectations for Mercer 10-12 years ago. 

I just wouldn't assume that a players stats on a 24-58 team are going to translate positively to a winning team, particularly when that player is going to want a contract extension soon. 

[wdleehi]

Can someone explain this trade for Memphis?


I think

Conley
Mayo
Gay
Gasol
Thebeat

Is not a terrible starting lineup


vs.

Rondo
Mayo
Scali?
Gasol
Thabeat?


Unless they have a SF in mind they like better then Gay in this draft.

Warrick is a better option than Scal and they are way under the cap and could sign some FA's

Even with Warrick, I think the 1st lineup is better.


And who really wants to go to Memphis?

[Casperian]

Gay for Scal?

What do you think, BASS? 

(Sorry, couldn`t resist)

I don`t know what to think of this rumor. Conley + Gay or even #2 would actually be a decent return for Rondo, I`d guess.
Both are also very interesting trade bait. Portland wants Conley, maybe for Outlaw or Fernandez. We could still package Gay with Ray for a star player at the trade deadline. This would give us a lot more flexibility and appeal in any future trade.
But does it really make us better?

[jdpapa3]

Marc Stein's Twitter:

Celts loudly scoffed when we threw Rondo/Scal-for-Gay/Conley construct at them last nite. Boston has to get No. 2 to give up Rondo. Right?

[ManUp]

All this trade talk surrounding Rondo stinks. There isn't a player on this team I enjoy watching more. The only way trading him makes sense to me is if he's the uncoachable player Ford suggested he is. If Rondo is the potential cancer they're making him out to be I guess he has to  go. 

These rumors are becoming hard to shrug off.

[ManUp]

Marc Stein's Twitter:

Celts loudly scoffed when we threw Rondo/Scal-for-Gay/Conley construct at them last nite. Boston has to get No. 2 to give up Rondo. Right?

To be honest Gay/Conley for Rondo/Scal is a terrible trade for Memphis. Gay and Rondo could and are probably considered a wash talent wise. Scal for Conley is just terrible, if we want the 2 pick we have to offer more. Stein is probably thinking the same which explains the, right, at the end?

[housecall]

All this trade talk surrounding Rondo stinks. There isn't a player on this team I enjoy watching more. The only way trading him makes sense to me is if he's the uncoachable player Ford suggested he is. If Rondo is the potential cancer they're making him out to be I guess he has to  go. 

These rumors are becoming hard to shrug off.

I think this might be closer to the truth than any other rumor...someone brought it up before,that Rondo and Doc had problems,especially during the playoffs.tp

[hwangjini_1]

Gay is so much better than anything you would get at #2

good point here. gay would be better for the celtics in terms of winning it all again this year; having a good young player for the future (if they resign him); or, maybe clearing salary space (if they do not resign him.)

i would be satisfied with a simple rondo/scal for conley/gay deal(though it would decrease the fun on this board if scal were shipped out.)

but i really doubt this takes place.

and if the rumor about wallace also throwing in the #2 pick along with conley/gay were to happen, memphis fans should run wallace out of town on a rail.

[KungPoweChicken]

I don't want to deal with Memphis unless they throw in the #2 somehow. I will be greatly disappointed if anyone but Rondo or Rubio is our PG of the future.