30 team CelticsBlog draft, year two

[Tehran Lakers]

I'm getting annoyed with all the GM police whining.  If you guys don't like the moves being made then stop your crybaby complaining and make your own.   You all sound like the crybaby GM's who wha-wha'd when Pau Gasol was sent to the Lakers for nothing. 

Jealousy is the nature of all types of these activities.  29 other people in this league think it's an unfair trade (including you), but that doesn't mean we wouldn't have done it in a heartbeat, and I think it's pretty safe to assume that if you saw someone else responsible for that kind of heist, you'd be upset that you weren't the one benefiting, too.

Like you said, it's a forum, so if you're allowed to rip people off, we're allowed to gripe about it...and then you're allowed to call us babies, and we're allowed to tell you that you'd be a baby too in our position, too.

[Rondo2287]

I'm getting annoyed with all the GM police whining.  If you guys don't like the moves being made then stop your crybaby complaining and make your own.   You all sound like the crybaby GM's who wha-wha'd when Pau Gasol was sent to the Lakers for nothing.   

What's with this safety net on trades?  If someone places value on a pick over another then so be it.  ONe guy just traded his 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick for a chance to pick top 5.  Personally I thought that was a ridiculous trade, but I don't need half the league and the commish giving "tips" to the guy.  My thought is Bravo on #5 for getting such great value for his pick.   I applaud his GM'ing ability.   Meanwhile, I just inquired on a top 7 pick and was told "It will cost you a 1st, 2nd and 3rd).   I told the guy he was nuts and moved on (the equivalent to hanging up the phone).   I don't need a safety net in the event I make a dumb decision.  It negates the entire point of this game... to see which GM can build the best team.    Additionally... right now we are just talking about theory and strategy.  YOu're looking at numbers and not even actual talent.   If a guy is willing to sacrifice his late 1st round pick, his 2nd round pick and his 3rd round pick... SO BE IT.... perhaps he is targeting a specific fellow (Kobe?  KG?  CP?  Howard) and believes after nabbing that top 5 guy he'll be able to put him on the market and receive 4-5 guys for it.   It's strategy folks.  If his strategy is to take KG and then try to get Telfair, Big Al, Gomes, Gerald Green and a late round pick... so be it.   I applaud his creativity.

It's a game.  Lets play it and have fun.   Last year we had some terrible trades... but look around the NBA and you'll see some terrible trades as well.  This is a messageboard forum about the Celtics where everyone claims, "Man I could do a better job than ___" and people start dozens of trade threads for their input on what team A and team B should do.   That's the concept this game is built around.  So you think you can be an NBA GM?... well lets see...

I think the first time I see a trade "vetoed" that isn't clearly ridiculous (like LeBron for Tony Allen), I'll probably quit the thing.   lol

Last point:  When we get into the draft we are going to see some pretty dumb stuff too.  If someone decides to take Paul Pierce over Kobe Bryant (hey 4-5 posters were arguing with me yesterday that Pierce clearly "outplayed" Kobe in the playoffs) are we going to "veto" that move too?   Nah.... lettem play the game, folks.

You say its a game and to play and have fun.  Its not much fun playing if one player is given an unfair advantage

[LarBrd33]

You say its a game and to play and have fun.  Its not much fun playing if one player is given an unfair advantage

That's one of the silliest things ive seen.   I started with the same advantage as anyone else.  I started with the #13 pick in the 1st round.     If you want to say someone has an unfair advantage, get mad at the Tehran Lakers for getting LeBron James.   Or...   get proactive and try to trade for LeBron yourself.

I think there are a few other posters who are looking to take over a team... so if the heat in the kitchen is too much for you... i'm sure someone else is willing to try their hand at being a GM.   lol... just kidding around

[Roy Hobbs]

LarBrd33 doesn't need me to defend him, but if he "rips off" others, it's not just out of good fortune.  He is definitely, far and away, the most active GM on here; he's working the "phones" on pretty much a constant basis.  His strategy is also adaptable, and he's constantly finding incremental value to set himself up later.

Rather than being jealous, I admire it.

[indeedproceed]

Too bad...too bad, if the commissioners only action on this is to kindly remind us of the value throughout the draft, I'll get my two cents in.  Take a look at John Hollingers PER rankings, just google it and you'll find them.  There will be a lot of value in the second round.  Especially when the time comes and someone drops.

It's for this reason that I wonder about the draft times.  On the subject of players unexpectedly dropping, is the commissioners suggestion to work out trades for picks prior to our slot being up?  Five minutes will be really rushed to deal with trade offers, it seems.

I've rated the top 70 players so far, to separate them into tiers. My criteria goes from potential to immediate impact, good teammate factor, intangibles/hustle, offense perimeter and post, slashing ability, playmaking, defense (4 catagories for defense). I'm trying to be as comprehensive as possible.

That said, guys I have rated out of the first 40 picks: Barbosa, Granger, Okafor, Redd, Bogut...there is incredible franchise cornerstone value there

[LarBrd33]

The only apology i'll make to my fellow GM's is that I'm sorry I'll be making your phone ring off the hook constantly for the next few weeks.   If you see "New Private Message", there's an 80% chance it's me.  I already had one fellow GM say, "I had 3 messages from you when I signed on... each offer progressively worse".  Lol.  Sowwy guise...  But personally, I'm having a blast.    I mentioned it last year... I'm the kind of guy who will pick up NBA Live or NHL2k8 or Madden... and never actually play a game.  I spend my entire time simming franchise mode and then get excited in 2025 when I've won 15 championships in a row...    I love this stuff.     I'm sure someone is going to talk me into making a stupid trades.

And guys like IndeedProceed who are giving protips... that's your prerogative, but I don't think I'd openly discuss my strategy in a competition.  :-P

[indeedproceed]

The only apology i'll make to my fellow GM's is that I'm sorry I'll be making your phone ring off the hook constantly for the next few weeks.   If you see "New Private Message", there's an 80% chance it's me.  I already had one fellow GM say, "I had 3 messages from you when I signed on... each offer progressively worse".  Lol.  Sowwy guise...  But personally, I'm having a blast.    I mentioned it last year... I'm the kind of guy who will pick up NBA Live or NHL2k8 or Madden... and never actually play a game.  I spend my entire time simming franchise mode and then get excited in 2025 when I've won 15 championships in a row...    I love this stuff.     I'm sure someone is going to talk me into making a stupid trades.

And guys like IndeedProceed who are giving protips... that's your prerogative, but I don't think I'd openly discuss my strategy in a competition.  :-P

I wasn't really trying to give tips...I was more saying "Hey, your second round pick value is not that much higher than your first round pick. Don't just give it away."

[Rondo2287]

Toronto-AP- The Raptors are petitioning an official appeal of the most recent trade involving the Charlotte Bobcats. This trade was incredibly unbalanced.  We look to the commisioner to employ his "Best interest of Basketball," clause similar to what was done by baseball in the past.  We as a team are looking to organize an official protest.  We will continue internal discussions as to whether or not forfeiting draft picks is an appropriate sanction.  We are also looking for other teams to join our protest and as always our phone lines are open

[LarBrd33]

Toronto-AP- The Raptors are petitioning an official appeal of the most recent trade involving the Charlotte Bobcats. This trade was incredibly unbalanced.  We look to the commisioner to employ his "Best interest of Basketball," clause similar to what was done by baseball in the past.  We as a team are looking to organize an official protest.  We will continue internal discussions as to whether or not forfeiting draft picks is an appropriate sanction.  We are also looking for other teams to join our protest and as always our phone lines are open

What... not petitioning the league about the #5 for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd?
1) Nets receive:

Bulls' 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders (19, 12, 19)

Bulls receive:

Nets' 1st and 6th rounders (5, 26)


Really?   And in my defense, I didn't feel like it was that lopsided.  I know that I'm giving up a #11 pick there and an 8th rounder, but I think I made up for the loss by getting a 2nd rounder.   I appreciate you coming to my defense, but I think I can handle it from here.   No need to petition the league about me getting robbed out of a franchise guy.

[wdleehi]

All this talk. 


GMs make the trades.   There have been a lot I think are terrible.  I have approved every one so far. 



Don't get mad at the GM that is getting the good half of the trade.  You know you would take that as well. 





Again, slow down.  There is plenty of time before your pick is due.  You have time to shop around.  Even after you make your pick, you can still shop around.  Get value for your picks.

[Roy Hobbs]

Portland Trailblazers team president Roy Hobbs', responding to the official league protest of the Toronto Raptors, stated "Commissioner wdleehi made his decision, and I stand by that action.  It is not the job of the Commissioner's Office to protect us from ourselves, or to determine what value we place on our draft picks.  So long as two GMs aren't conspiring, and so long as a trade isn't so lop-sided as to impugn the integrity of the league, the Commissioner should let the GMs regulate themselves". 

Hobbs did indicate, however, that he is quite happy that the Charlotte Bobcats play in the Eastern Conference, as the team possesses the assets to be a contender far into the future.  Hobbs made a similar comment about the New Jersey Nets, but indicated that he had no worries about the Tehran Lakers or the rest of his Western Conference foes.

[LarBrd33]

Charlotte, NC --   Fans in Charlotte have been outraged by a recent trade made by Bobcats GM, LarBrd33.   Many saw the team in perfect position to land two franchise caliber players to lead the team for the next decade.  Bobcats messageboards had been flooded with fanatical interest and debate about what two franchise players would be donning the orange and blue.   Several of the Chinese members in the community had already printed out t-shirts with the slogan "Yao Ming #11 at pick #11!!".   Fans have been distraught about LarBrd33's choice to move down into the late part of the 1st round.  Raptors GM, Rondo2287, said in a recent interview, "The Raptors are petitioning an official appeal of the most recent trade involving the Charlotte Bobcats. This trade was incredibly unbalanced.".

When reached for comment, LarBrd33 said, "... ugh... you know... every GM has a bad day.  I would like the fans and my fellow GM's to just give me time.  It's still early in the process.  It was a tough decision giving up a pick in the "cornerstone" tier, but I felt the 2nd rounder made up for it.  I appreciate the support, but I will ask for everyone to calm down and let me do my job... please do not judge my squad until the process is over".   Bobcats head coach, Justin Timberlake, did not return this reporter's calls.  

[Rondo2287]

"Really?   And in my defense, I didn't feel like it was that lopsided.  I know that I'm giving up a #11 pick there and an 8th rounder, but I think I made up for the loss by getting a 2nd rounder.   I appreciate you coming to my defense, but I think I can handle it from here.   No need to petition the league about me getting robbed out of a franchise guy."

I think you know darn well that I was not upset at what you were giving up in this trade, but what you were receiving.  And I stand by my statement that we are seriously considering forfeiting draft picks as a protest

[The Walker Wiggle]

I think the first time I see a trade "vetoed" that isn't clearly ridiculous (like LeBron for Tony Allen), I'll probably quit the thing. lol

It's not officially a good time until somebody threatens to quit.

[wdleehi]

"Really?   And in my defense, I didn't feel like it was that lopsided.  I know that I'm giving up a #11 pick there and an 8th rounder, but I think I made up for the loss by getting a 2nd rounder.   I appreciate you coming to my defense, but I think I can handle it from here.   No need to petition the league about me getting robbed out of a franchise guy."

I think you know darn well that I was not upset at what you were giving up in this trade, but what you were receiving.  And I stand by my statement that we are seriously considering forfeiting draft picks as a protest

Just so you know, you miss your first pick, you forfeit your team and a new owner is found.  


And from last year, I know it does not take long to find a replacement.


You made a bad trade.  Now you know.  See what you can do from this point on.