Celtics make offer to Maggette!!! / Spurs in lead to get him? (merged)

[JudsonMerrill]

Okay, so what needs to actually happen.

1) Clippers need to sign B. Davis to some huge contract. To do so, they have to renounce Maggette, eliminating all sign and trades.
2) Atlanta's ownership needs to self destruct and let the Sixers take Josh Smith. That takes care of Philly's money.
3) Maggette gets a handful of 5-year MLE offers and, for some reason, chooses ours.

I guess that's a pretty remote series of events.

Where'd I put my Posey jersey?

I guess worst case scenario is this should kill Bartelstein's idea of wringing a 5-year MLE from us for 41.

but if you were Maggette, wouldn't you rather take a deal like Posey had this season (a year and a player option) increase your stock and go again next year?

I'm with Who on this one. I don't see one year with us improving his stock when right now he's coming off, what, a 22/5/3 season?  Maybe three or four years with us and he could get a nice end-of-career contract since by then he could become our starter.

Plus, summer of 2009, won't most teams be sitting on their wallets, drooling over 2010?

From where I'm sitting, a 5-year MLE is not pretend money. I don't have all the raises at my finger tips but that's in the neighborhood of $35M, right? He did just opt out of a $7M year so it might sting to take that initial pay cut, but blame Baron Davis.

Still, why us over hometown Orlando? This is when you put Garnett, Doc, and a tape of the parade on a plane and fly them to Maggette for a movie night.

[hpantazo]

I guess I'd rather have Corey, mostly because of the "future" thing, but I can't see Maggette playing as a sub for the MLE. If he can't get better offers, and it's not hard to imagine he won't, he'll probably go to Orlando or another fringe contender where he can play a major role and raise his stock.

Well playing a bench role on the Cs certainly increased Posey's value, so it's possible to look at coming here as a way to raise his stock. either way, i would be surprised if Maggette takes a long term deal at the MLE...

Different type of player. Maggette needs touches, shots and opportunities to take over to prove his value. Posey needs to do role player things to improve his value. If Maggette were coming here for Ray's starting spot, now that would improve his value, but a bench role I don't see it.

I don't agree with that. A bench role on a championship celtics team didn't hurt the reputations of Havlicek and McHale at all. I think the spotlight he would get as a major part of the celtics would do wonders for his stock, especially as a guy who could produce in big situations and as a defender, both of which would improve playing for the celtics. He would also get more exposure as our sixth man in the playoffs than he would as a starter on orlando unless orlando can get to the finals. He would get plenty of minutes on this team backing up Paul and Ray, and he would be on the floor at the end of games. I think he would be wise to take a 1-2 year deal to improve his rep, get a ring, and then go for the big payday unless some team goes all Rashard Lewis on him, which I doubt.

[EJPLAYA]

I jumped into this thread late.  Are you guys really talking about trading Ray Allen after he just helped us win our first championship in 20+ years?  Really?  He was arguably the best player in the finals.  Guy shot like 52% and 53% from three.   You wanna mess up this team?  Really???

I think everyone is trying to make sense of why they would offer Corey a contract with the team constituted as such. He plays SF so there is no way that he is replacing PP. It makes no sense for him to sit the bench. I haven't seen anyone on here necessarily saying it is a good idea. Just throwing stuff against the wall.

[winsomme]

I guess I'd rather have Corey, mostly because of the "future" thing, but I can't see Maggette playing as a sub for the MLE. If he can't get better offers, and it's not hard to imagine he won't, he'll probably go to Orlando or another fringe contender where he can play a major role and raise his stock.

Well playing a bench role on the Cs certainly increased Posey's value, so it's possible to look at coming here as a way to raise his stock. either way, i would be surprised if Maggette takes a long term deal at the MLE...

Different type of player. Maggette needs touches, shots and opportunities to take over to prove his value. Posey needs to do role player things to improve his value. If Maggette were coming here for Ray's starting spot, now that would improve his value, but a bench role I don't see it.

I don't agree with that. A bench role on a championship celtics team didn't hurt the reputations of Havlicek and McHale at all. I think the spotlight he would get as a major part of the celtics would do wonders for his stock, especially as a guy who could produce in big situations and as a defender, both of which would improve playing for the celtics. He would also get more exposure as our sixth man in the playoffs than he would as a starter on orlando unless orlando can get to the finals. He would get plenty of minutes on this team backing up Paul and Ray, and he would be on the floor at the end of games. I think he would be wise to take a 1-2 year deal to improve his rep, get a ring, and then go for the big payday unless some team goes all Rashard Lewis on him, which I doubt.

yeah, i'm not saying i would want this, but if they brought Maggette in instead of Posey, Maggette would get a solid 20-25 MPG backing up both wing spots and knowing Doc even some time at the PF in a small ball lineup like Posey...

he would get PT here for sure, and could change any sour opinions about him as a player.

[BBS]

I jumped into this thread late.  Are you guys really talking about trading Ray Allen after he just helped us win our first championship in 20+ years?  Really?  He was arguably the best player in the finals.  Guy shot like 52% and 53% from three.   You wanna mess up this team?  Really???

Not me! I just threw the possibility that Ray might want a trade. For personal reasons. Since it was being floated around by the comcast guys. I love Ray on this team.

[Vermont Green]

Maggette wouldn't replace Posey but rather would replace T. Allen and maybe House too.  In House we lose a guys who can cover PG's but plays SG on offense.  Tony is very similar to Maggette so why not upgrade to Corey.

Trade Ray Allen?  Forget the sentimentality, what could we get for him?  I don't think there would be too many deals for a guy that makes as much as Ray unless we want to take back someone like Raef to make the $$ work.

My read is that for whatever reason, DA wants Magette and in order not to offend Posey, made a quick offer to him too.  Otherwise he would have just worked on Posey and waited on Magette, and that trading Ray is part of it at all.

[earl]

I didn't read through the whole thread, so somebody could have pointed this out, but this could have more to do with Posey than Maggette. They may have basically low balled Maggette, making him a 1-2 year offer that would make him a steal off the bench, but has a 20-30% chance of him agreeing to.

I think they might want Posey to make a decision quickly, before other chips fall into place and Posey becomes the center of attention by being the underrated, unsigned hustle guy from the NBA champs. Extending an offer to other players lets Posey know that hey, we aren't going to wait around forever for you to listen to offers, especially if they believe Posey is willing to stay in Boston for somewhat of a discount. In a nutshell, I think the team recognizes that the longer Posey is unsigned, the higher his price goes..

[Who]

I guess I'd rather have Corey, mostly because of the "future" thing, but I can't see Maggette playing as a sub for the MLE. If he can't get better offers, and it's not hard to imagine he won't, he'll probably go to Orlando or another fringe contender where he can play a major role and raise his stock.

Well playing a bench role on the Cs certainly increased Posey's value, so it's possible to look at coming here as a way to raise his stock. either way, i would be surprised if Maggette takes a long term deal at the MLE...

Different type of player. Maggette needs touches, shots and opportunities to take over to prove his value. Posey needs to do role player things to improve his value. If Maggette were coming here for Ray's starting spot, now that would improve his value, but a bench role I don't see it.

I don't agree with that. A bench role on a championship celtics team didn't hurt the reputations of Havlicek and McHale at all. I think the spotlight he would get as a major part of the celtics would do wonders for his stock, especially as a guy who could produce in big situations and as a defender, both of which would improve playing for the celtics. He would also get more exposure as our sixth man in the playoffs than he would as a starter on orlando unless orlando can get to the finals. He would get plenty of minutes on this team backing up Paul and Ray, and he would be on the floor at the end of games. I think he would be wise to take a 1-2 year deal to improve his rep, get a ring, and then go for the big payday unless some team goes all Rashard Lewis on him, which I doubt.

They're two very different situations from Maggette. They weren't 29 years old coming off a career season after scoring 22ppg 5.6rpg in 36mpg while also coming in to play behind two perennial All-Stars at his position. Havlicek's and McHale's situations were nothing like that.

[winsomme]

I guess I'd rather have Corey, mostly because of the "future" thing, but I can't see Maggette playing as a sub for the MLE. If he can't get better offers, and it's not hard to imagine he won't, he'll probably go to Orlando or another fringe contender where he can play a major role and raise his stock.

Well playing a bench role on the Cs certainly increased Posey's value, so it's possible to look at coming here as a way to raise his stock. either way, i would be surprised if Maggette takes a long term deal at the MLE...

Different type of player. Maggette needs touches, shots and opportunities to take over to prove his value. Posey needs to do role player things to improve his value. If Maggette were coming here for Ray's starting spot, now that would improve his value, but a bench role I don't see it.

I don't agree with that. A bench role on a championship celtics team didn't hurt the reputations of Havlicek and McHale at all. I think the spotlight he would get as a major part of the celtics would do wonders for his stock, especially as a guy who could produce in big situations and as a defender, both of which would improve playing for the celtics. He would also get more exposure as our sixth man in the playoffs than he would as a starter on orlando unless orlando can get to the finals. He would get plenty of minutes on this team backing up Paul and Ray, and he would be on the floor at the end of games. I think he would be wise to take a 1-2 year deal to improve his rep, get a ring, and then go for the big payday unless some team goes all Rashard Lewis on him, which I doubt.

yeah, i'm not saying i would want this, but if they brought Maggette in instead of Posey, Maggette would get a solid 20-25 MPG backing up both wing spots and knowing Doc even some time at the PF in a small ball lineup like Posey...

he would get PT here for sure, and could change any sour opinions about him as a player.

actually maybe more like 28 MPG.

i was surprised to just check and see that Posey got 25 MPG this year, and i think they would actually play Maggette more....

again, i'm not saying this is my first choice, but if Maggette came here for a year, he definitely would play and could help his stock around the league even though he wasn't a starter.

[hpantazo]

I didn't read through the whole thread, so somebody could have pointed this out, but this could have more to do with Posey than Maggette. They may have basically low balled Maggette, making him a 1-2 year offer that would make him a steal off the bench, but has a 20-30% chance of him agreeing to.

I think they might want Posey to make a decision quickly, before other chips fall into place and Posey becomes the center of attention by being the underrated, unsigned hustle guy from the NBA champs. Extending an offer to other players lets Posey know that hey, we aren't going to wait around forever for you to listen to offers, especially if they believe Posey is willing to stay in Boston for somewhat of a discount. In a nutshell, I think the team recognizes that the longer Posey is unsigned, the higher his price goes..

either that or the longer he goes unsigned the fewer teams there are remaining that can spend money on him, however I do think Ainge wants him to decide quickly so that he knows exactly what he has left to go after other guys and fill our remaining holes at backup PG and backup C before all the good options get snatched up.

[winsomme]

I guess I'd rather have Corey, mostly because of the "future" thing, but I can't see Maggette playing as a sub for the MLE. If he can't get better offers, and it's not hard to imagine he won't, he'll probably go to Orlando or another fringe contender where he can play a major role and raise his stock.

Well playing a bench role on the Cs certainly increased Posey's value, so it's possible to look at coming here as a way to raise his stock. either way, i would be surprised if Maggette takes a long term deal at the MLE...

Different type of player. Maggette needs touches, shots and opportunities to take over to prove his value. Posey needs to do role player things to improve his value. If Maggette were coming here for Ray's starting spot, now that would improve his value, but a bench role I don't see it.

I don't agree with that. A bench role on a championship celtics team didn't hurt the reputations of Havlicek and McHale at all. I think the spotlight he would get as a major part of the celtics would do wonders for his stock, especially as a guy who could produce in big situations and as a defender, both of which would improve playing for the celtics. He would also get more exposure as our sixth man in the playoffs than he would as a starter on orlando unless orlando can get to the finals. He would get plenty of minutes on this team backing up Paul and Ray, and he would be on the floor at the end of games. I think he would be wise to take a 1-2 year deal to improve his rep, get a ring, and then go for the big payday unless some team goes all Rashard Lewis on him, which I doubt.

They're two very different situations from Maggette. They weren't 29 years old coming off a career season after scoring 22ppg 5.6rpg in 36mpg while also coming in to play behind two perennial All-Stars at his position. Havlicek's and McHale's situations were nothing like that.

well look at what Stuckey did for a DET team that has an entire starting roster that needs touches....

you can come off the bench and get touches even on a team with a lot of go-to guys.

Maggette could easily play in lineups where he and any of the BIg Three are the main scorers IMO.

[LarBrd33]

Seriously though I'd be all for bringing in Maggette.  Absolutely.  We love Posey, but Maggette is a superior talent.  And if we could get Maggette in here for the MLE over a few years... that just gives Ainge another huge chip to play with for now and the future.  Plus, if Maggette were on this team he'd basically be getting all of Posey and Tony Allen's minutes.  That guy could be getting 30+ minutes coming off the bench. Think of guys like Manu and Ben Gordon.  Plus you gotta figure there will be some inevitable Ray Allen/Paul Pierce injuries here and there and it will be nice to rest them and have a guy like Maggette fill in as a starter.   Absolutely this would be a huge steal.  

You gotta worry a little about messing with fragile chemistry and stuff, but small changes have got to be expected.  The team will deal with it. 

[earl]

I didn't read through the whole thread, so somebody could have pointed this out, but this could have more to do with Posey than Maggette. They may have basically low balled Maggette, making him a 1-2 year offer that would make him a steal off the bench, but has a 20-30% chance of him agreeing to.

I think they might want Posey to make a decision quickly, before other chips fall into place and Posey becomes the center of attention by being the underrated, unsigned hustle guy from the NBA champs. Extending an offer to other players lets Posey know that hey, we aren't going to wait around forever for you to listen to offers, especially if they believe Posey is willing to stay in Boston for somewhat of a discount. In a nutshell, I think the team recognizes that the longer Posey is unsigned, the higher his price goes..

either that or the longer he goes unsigned the fewer teams there are remaining that can spend money on him, however I do think Ainge wants him to decide quickly so that he knows exactly what he has left to go after other guys and fill our remaining holes at backup PG and backup C before all the good options get snatched up.

That's true, Posey certainly has to consider that. Either way it adds up to the longer he's out there, the less likely the C's sign him, right? I think the C's are just letting it be known that they are not going to wait for Posey to fall elsewhere (and by and by letting other options drift away) before trying to fill the void he leaves. He's a FA, and right now, just as much a Celtic as Maggette is until we see his John Hancock on a contract.

[hpantazo]

I guess I'd rather have Corey, mostly because of the "future" thing, but I can't see Maggette playing as a sub for the MLE. If he can't get better offers, and it's not hard to imagine he won't, he'll probably go to Orlando or another fringe contender where he can play a major role and raise his stock.

Well playing a bench role on the Cs certainly increased Posey's value, so it's possible to look at coming here as a way to raise his stock. either way, i would be surprised if Maggette takes a long term deal at the MLE...

Different type of player. Maggette needs touches, shots and opportunities to take over to prove his value. Posey needs to do role player things to improve his value. If Maggette were coming here for Ray's starting spot, now that would improve his value, but a bench role I don't see it.

I don't agree with that. A bench role on a championship celtics team didn't hurt the reputations of Havlicek and McHale at all. I think the spotlight he would get as a major part of the celtics would do wonders for his stock, especially as a guy who could produce in big situations and as a defender, both of which would improve playing for the celtics. He would also get more exposure as our sixth man in the playoffs than he would as a starter on orlando unless orlando can get to the finals. He would get plenty of minutes on this team backing up Paul and Ray, and he would be on the floor at the end of games. I think he would be wise to take a 1-2 year deal to improve his rep, get a ring, and then go for the big payday unless some team goes all Rashard Lewis on him, which I doubt.

They're two very different situations from Maggette. They weren't 29 years old coming off a career season after scoring 22ppg 5.6rpg in 36mpg while also coming in to play behind two perennial All-Stars at his position. Havlicek's and McHale's situations were nothing like that.

not that different IMO, but if so, it's even more of a reason for him to prove himself on a championship team. Yes he would back up 2 perennial all-stars, but he would get a lot of minutes, and knowing Doc, he would be on the floor at the end of games and get big shots. This would be great for his image, and it would also allow Ray to rest up and torch people next year. I can actually see doc playing Corey as many minutes as Paul and Ray.

[MaineBleedsGreen]

I'll be the first to admit it openly:  I'd rather have Maggette than Posey for the same money. 

There, I said it.  Celticsblog blasphemy.

I'll say it too actually.

Highly doubtful he accepts an MLE deal. Though he was lobbying earlier for Orlando and he's well aware that they only have the MLE to offer. So, who knows?

I agree guys ... and I just can't help but think; if we thought E House was instant offense how good this guy would look coming off the bench. Our second unit struggled to score at times even with one of the big three out there. I know we'd be losing some D with Posey. I'm trying to think of how I'd rate Maggette's D. If he's average, he might look good or very good in the C's team system.