Celtics make offer to Maggette!!! / Spurs in lead to get him? (merged)

[Gainesville Celtic]

Just finished reading everything and one point that I have not read was this:
I do not believe that Danny would have made an offer to Maggette's camp without some serious discussions first which leads to the prospect that he's at least interested in coming to Boston and therefore this is not a "pie in the sky" concept.

Good point, because as far as we know from the Boston.com article, Ainge isn't simply interested in making an offer, he's MADE an offer to Maggette.

Bold is the right word for Ainge --- i imagine this + Davis opting out is making most GM's heads spin, they probably hoped that we'd resign Posey and just get back to celbrating.

Danny Ainge has a posse!

[Big Ticket]

Yeah, I'm not a huge "numbers guy" myself, they say nothing of the intangibles. Literally just throwing them out there. The only thing I'll take away from those numbers is that they're both hitting from downtown at about the same clip.

But Ray took 3.3 more per game... I think he's still more of a sniper than Maggette, who I think mostly took the 3s that he was left wide open to take.

[RebusRankin]

From the games I've seen Maggette has a great offensive game, can rebound and is quite athletic. I must admit I'm warming to the idea of him as a sixth man, both for that scoring off the bench and to reduce the wear and tear on Paul and Ray. Rondo, Ray, Maggette, Pierce, KG is an interesting crunch time line up though.

I wonder if we can get both.

[Who]

I like his offensive game and rebounding but how is Maggette's D? Bold move none the less.

Below par but workable

His biggest issues defensively are concentration and discipline. His mind wanders on the court.

Does that make it more likely or less likely he improves next to good defenders? I'm not sure. I lean towards less likely though.

[nashmage]

I dont see us ever being able to afford both to be honest.

[BillfromBoston]

I'd rather have Posey.  And my guess is that B-diddy walked away from 18 million to become a Laker, not a Clipper, so I don't see Maggette settling for the MLE.

...your guess would be wrong, Davis is heading to the Clippers...

As far as Maggette goes, there are a number of reasons he's a good fit in Boston:

1. Multi-positional ability. Athletic enough to play the 2 or the 3 while strong enough to BS at the 4 situationally in a small lineup

2. Backing up both Pierce and Allen allows for around 30-36 mpg as Boston would be able to keep PP/RA at around 30-33 mpg during the regular season and could pick-and-choose between 3 players, keeping the hot-hand on the court at all times..

3. Maggette has a limited market available to him, and while he can probably get a bit over the MLE, it is very possible that those offers won't be there. Whatever is on the table, it may not be appreciably better than a 4-5 year deal at 5.8 million

4. While Posey is the proven role player, Maggette is a better value if it comes down to years...Posey makes sense for 2-3 years to support GPA, Maggette makes sense 4-5 years to supplant GPA and help Rondo...he'll be 33 in 5 seasons and would come off the books right after KG, so those extra 2 years of,(theoretical) prime count for a lot.

5. Bill Walker and JR Giddens would have a full 2-3 years to develop without being pressed into duty..they'd be injury/ineffectiveness insurance and could simply learn on the job by spending TC with the team, going to the D-league, and visiting with the team intermittently for progress reports and further instruction. THIS IS THE CELTIC DYNASTY WAY--watch, learn, prepare for transition...

Maggette isn't as good of a 3 point shooter as Posey, though he matched his percentage last year. But Maggette gets to the line and would be THE primary scorer off the bench and would have plenty of minutes available to him.

[nickagneta]

I wonder if they offered the same package to both players and the first to bite gets the deal because with Giddens guaranteed a spot and Walker being basically purchased to be here it would make no sense to have Allen, Pierce, Walker, Giddens, Posey and Maggette all taking up the 3 and 4. With KG, Perk, Rondo, Powe, Davis, and Pruitt also guaranteed roster spots, that leaves vet minimum contract and LLE to fulfill a backup center and backup point guard position that is sorely lacking and much needed.

I guess it's feasible and if they tie Maggette up long term with the MLE, the Celtics are pretty much extending their championship window by at least a year or two. Perhaps even longer depending on Perk's and Rondo's development.

Never saw that coming. Could be another brilliant move by Danny  as he reaches inside and finds his inner Red.

[libermaniac]

Offers can't be made on FA's until 7/8.  I this some informal promise of an offer?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Offers can't be made on FA's until 7/8.  I this some informal promise of an offer?

I think they can't be signed until then, but we can make offers since now... not entirely positive though.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'll say this, Corey Maggette's offensive arsenal should more than make-up for Posey's defensive advantage over him.

And it's not like Corey Maggette is a bum defensively, and I have little doubt of him playing some serviceable defense for the Celtics.

[Who]

I'd rather have Posey.  And my guess is that B-diddy walked away from 18 million to become a Laker, not a Clipper, so I don't see Maggette settling for the MLE.

I think you're right about that. The Baron-to-Clippers story is unlikely to happen. Then what do they do? They resign Maggette at a higher price than the MLE.

Why are there no Arenas to the Clippers stories? They tried before.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I said it in another thread, but Maggette is by far the better fit... why? Because it makes Scal usable again!!

[jimmyt]

One of the main reasons that the Spurs have been so good is because they take in quality players for short term contracts while still maintaining their core great players (Duncan, Parker, Ginobli).

The fact that Posey is looking for a 5 year deal is most likely not a direction the Celtics want to go in.

I can definitely see them making the same contract to Magette as Posey took last year. It makes sense for the Celtics and Maggette. Get a strong guy off the bench or spot starter. Think Josh Childress type minutes, maybe a little less.

[JudsonMerrill]

I'd rather have Posey.  And my guess is that B-diddy walked away from 18 million to become a Laker, not a Clipper, so I don't see Maggette settling for the MLE.

...your guess would be wrong, Davis is heading to the Clippers...

As far as Maggette goes, there are a number of reasons he's a good fit in Boston:

1. Multi-positional ability. Athletic enough to play the 2 or the 3 while strong enough to BS at the 4 situationally in a small lineup

2. Backing up both Pierce and Allen allows for around 30-36 mpg as Boston would be able to keep PP/RA at around 30-33 mpg during the regular season and could pick-and-choose between 3 players, keeping the hot-hand on the court at all times..

3. Maggette has a limited market available to him, and while he can probably get a bit over the MLE, it is very possible that those offers won't be there. Whatever is on the table, it may not be appreciably better than a 4-5 year deal at 5.8 million

4. While Posey is the proven role player, Maggette is a better value if it comes down to years...Posey makes sense for 2-3 years to support GPA, Maggette makes sense 4-5 years to supplant GPA and help Rondo...he'll be 33 in 5 seasons and would come off the books right after KG, so those extra 2 years of,(theoretical) prime count for a lot.

5. Bill Walker and JR Giddens would have a full 2-3 years to develop without being pressed into duty..they'd be injury/ineffectiveness insurance and could simply learn on the job by spending TC with the team, going to the D-league, and visiting with the team intermittently for progress reports and further instruction. THIS IS THE CELTIC DYNASTY WAY--watch, learn, prepare for transition...

Maggette isn't as good of a 3 point shooter as Posey, though he matched his percentage last year. But Maggette gets to the line and would be THE primary scorer off the bench and would have plenty of minutes available to him.

I love Posey and all but getting Maggette for 5 years at the MLE is a vast improvement long term. It would allow us to let Ray's contract expire and re-sign him and Rondo with that money and have no drop off at the wings as he and Pierce age. That's amazing. This could be an uncanny read by Ainge. If July 9 rolls around and all Maggette has are three or four 5-year MLE offers, why not take ours and play with the champs?

James Who?

[lon3lytoaster]

That's interesting. With all these highend FA's around right now I don't see Mags getting more than the full MLE anywhere.

I think he'll either end up in Orlando or Boston without an outside chance to go back to LA... He's a better option and a better player than Posey. I've loved everything James did this year but he's probably not worth the full MLE for 4 or 5 years. Maggette is.

Plus don't players get a bonus for the playoffs? I'd think playing deep in the postseason and getting paid more would help lure someone...