Celtics make offer to Maggette!!! / Spurs in lead to get him? (merged)

[hpantazo]

Can't get enough of those small forwards or shooting guards.

I agree. We don't need Maggette. A more pressing issue is back up center and point guard. And if he comes at the expense of Posey, no way. Or at the expense of Ray, definitely no way.

We already have too many wings:
Ray
Pierce
Giddens
Walker
(Posey)
(Maggette)


PG's:
Rondo
(Pruitt maybe)

Centers:
Perk
(KG isn't a center. Keep him away from banging in the post. He's getting older)


How in the world are we gonna fill our holes if we sign Maggette with the MLE?  We will still need a defensive stopper and a shooter and all the other things Posey brings. Posey fits better into this team, and if we don't get Posey, a rival (Lakers, Pistons, Hornets, Cleveland) will.

Why is Ainge targeting so many wings? First we draft two of them and now we are after Maggette? We won't have any room on our roster to sign a back up center/PG.


 

you gotta trust Danny, he's got something up his sleeve. There is no way he doesn't get a backup C and PG this summer, and he's getting all these swingmen for a reason, we just won't know it until it's complete.

[silvershamrocker]

Can't get enough of those small forwards or shooting guards.

I agree. We don't need Maggette. A more pressing issue is back up center and point guard. And if he comes at the expense of Posey, no way. Or at the expense of Ray, definitely no way.

We already have too many wings:
Ray
Pierce
Giddens
Walker
(Posey)
(Maggette)


PG's:
Rondo
(Pruitt maybe)

Centers:
Perk
(KG isn't a center. Keep him away from banging in the post. He's getting older)


How in the world are we gonna fill our holes if we sign Maggette with the MLE?  We will still need a defensive stopper and a shooter and all the other things Posey brings. Posey fits better into this team, and if we don't get Posey, a rival (Lakers, Pistons, Hornets, Cleveland) will.

Why is Ainge targeting so many wings? First we draft two of them and now we are after Maggette? We won't have any room on our roster to sign a back up center/PG.


 

you gotta trust Danny, he's got something up his sleeve. There is no way he doesn't get a backup C and PG this summer, and he's getting all these swingmen for a reason, we just won't know it until it's complete.

I sure hope so....

[rondofan1255]

Of those 5 swingmen Posey/Maggette, Giddens, Walker, Pierce, and Ray, one of them probably won't be in the rotation (maybe Walker to rest?).

It sounds okay, as it would just be like having an insurance swingman in the 13th-15th roster spot, while having a backup for both the 2 and the 3.

We had Rondo/Sam/Eddie and Pruitt on the Injury Reserve during the playoffs..

[JudsonMerrill]

Okay, so what needs to actually happen.

1) Clippers need to sign B. Davis to some huge contract. To do so, they have to renounce Maggette, eliminating all sign and trades.
2) Atlanta's ownership needs to self destruct and let the Sixers take Josh Smith. That takes care of Philly's money.
3) Maggette gets a handful of 5-year MLE offers and, for some reason, chooses ours.

I guess that's a pretty remote series of events.

Where'd I put my Posey jersey?

I guess worst case scenario is this should kill Bartelstein's idea of wringing a 5-year MLE from us for 41.

1 down!

[timepiece33]

If it is a 3 year deal at the MLE, it isn't overpaying for Posey.  IMO, that is right money for him.

Maggette is a better offensive player, but he can't hold Posey's jock defensively. There is something to be said for a defensive presence off the bench.  The guy is a good rebounder and a nice outside shooter.  He can drive, but doesn't need to on this team. 

Also, there are questions about Maggette's toughness and durability.

Posey is an important part of this team and find this talk as a little nutty.  IMO, it is the right move by Danny because it puts a situation in place where James might make his decision sooner. 

[silvershamrocker]

Of those 5 swingmen Posey/Maggette, Giddens, Walker, Pierce, and Ray, one of them probably won't be in the rotation (maybe Walker to rest?).

It sounds okay, as it would just be like having an insurance swingman in the 13th-15th roster spot, while having a backup for both the 2 and the 3.

We had Rondo/Sam/Eddie and Pruitt on the Injury Reserve during the playoffs..

But we need to get a big and a point guard. I'd rather we got those positions figured out before we go into the luxury of having insurance.

[celticpride07]

PG Rondo-House-Pruitt
SG Allen-Maggette-Giddens
SF Pierce-Posey-Walker
PF Garnett-Powe-Davis
C  Perkins-FA-Scal

This Would Be an amazing team! (except scal but oh well)

Maybe PJ Brown will stay and fill that FA spot.

[Greenback]

If Ainge doesn't stop spending money on wing players our back up center and point guard will have to live on baloney sandwiches.

[rondofan1255]

Maybe they're going way over the salary cap, and also: I have a question.

Can the Celtics have offered MLE to Maggette and Non-bird to Posey under these circumstances?

[soap07]

Another cap question: I think I posted this before, my apologies if this was posted already. I saw this is one of the Baron threads but it wasn't answered:

Why does Brand have to take a paycut to play with the Clips again? Let's say (hypothetically) that Baron gets 20 million a year from LA. Why couldn't they give Brand the same amount because of the bird rights and just go over the cap?

[cordobes]

I'd rather have Posey.  And my guess is that B-diddy walked away from 18 million to become a Laker, not a Clipper, so I don't see Maggette settling for the MLE.

I think you're right about that. The Baron-to-Clippers story is unlikely to happen. Then what do they do? They resign Maggette at a higher price than the MLE.

Why are there no Arenas to the Clippers stories? They tried before.

How's that? Will the Lakers offer Odom for a S&T? What else? And who resigns Maggette at a higher price? If the Clippers want to sign Davis, they'll have to renounce Maggette's rights.

I just don't think it's likely Baron signs on with the Clippers. It's definitely possible but I don't believe it to be likely, too many things need to happen at the same time.

I think Brick is right with the Clippers part, the Lakers part I don't care too much about and didn't think on .... but it's more likely than him signing with the Clippers - they're not trying to resign Brand while convincing Baron to join ... and they have an NBA Finals team, Kobe Bryant and the two best big men he'll have ever player with to offer Baron right off the bat. That's a good offer. Gaining Odom in a sign and trade is a good deal for the Warriors too.

What can a Odom rental do for the Warriors? I don't think Mullin values Odom more than the cap space. Who cares how good the Lakers are if they don't have salary to sign Baron?

Re: Clippers, I don't see that too many things have to happen: they just need to agree contracts with Baron and Brand. They have enough cap space to offer good enough contracts to both of them - $100M 5/6 years contracts. Brand was probably saying the true when he stated that he was only opting out to give the team more chances of restructuring the salary sheet.

The Warriors have no big men. Odom the player who's best in a freelancing offense where he can use his talents ... I don't know that sounds like Don Nelson's offense to me. Odom would only be the best defensive big man on their team and their best rebounder from Day One. He fixes a lot of holes.

Odom is a great recovery after losing Baron Davis. Keep him for a year and see if he works out. The Warriors could also get other talent like Jordan Farmer who's value drops to LA once Baron is on board.

The Warriors will be very happy to enter that sign and trade and that's a lot more to like about the Lakers than the Clippers.

It's possible the Clips pull it off but I don't believe it to be likely.

If the Lakers are willing to throw in guys like Farmar/Vujacic/Ariza and picks (that they don't have), that can happen. Otherwise, I highly doubt the Warriors are interested. They're resigning their youngsters and go for a rebuilding. What can they do next season with Odom replacing Baron? Missing the playoffs for a couple of games and losing chances in the lottery.

[RebusRankin]

Which big is worth the MLE other than Diop who is going to Dallas apparently. Perhaps we get a Kurt Thomas, Fransisco Elson for the LLE.

[soap07]

Maggette is a better offensive player, but he can't hold Posey's jock defensively. There is something to be said for a defensive presence off the bench.  The guy is a good rebounder and a nice outside shooter.  He can drive, but doesn't need to on this team.

Also, there are questions about Maggette's toughness and durability.


To get Maggatte for the Mid-Level Exception would be nothing short of a steal. There is something also to be said to bring someone off the bench who can create his own shot and give the Big 3 a rest.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If it is a 3 year deal at the MLE, it isn't overpaying for Posey.  IMO, that is right money for him.

It's overpaying him. That we can afford to overpay him, and serve our interests, is different discussion.

[cordobes]

Another cap question: I think I posted this before, my apologies if this was posted already. I saw this is one of the Baron threads but it wasn't answered:

Why does Brand have to take a paycut to play with the Clips again? Let's say (hypothetically) that Baron gets 20 million a year from LA. Why couldn't they give Brand the same amount because of the bird rights and just go over the cap?

Because they can't offer Baron nothing (or much) until they resign Brand. If they're holding Brand's Bird rights, they don't have enough cap space to sign Baron. But I don't think Brand is taking such a paycut. He can sign a $100M/6 years deal.