Celtics make offer to Maggette!!! / Spurs in lead to get him? (merged)

[SoxFanPJ]

Clippers have reached a verbal agreement with Baron Davis....it makes the most sense for them to sign Brand over Maggette and they can't afford all three of Davis, Maggette, and Brand.

The only way I see Maggette coming to Boston is on a 5 year full MLE deal, with an opt out either after two years to cash in on the 2010 Free Agent period where teams will be freeing up money to jockey for Lebron and others, or after 3 years so that he can opt out and re-sign with the Celtics for a larger amount of money then the MLE.  

If both are asking for the full MLE Maggette over Posey is a no brainer. Maggette is almost 3 years younger and would provide great offense from the bench.  When the big 3 or 2 of the big 3 were off the court the offense absolutely stagnates.  

[cordobes]

Which big is worth the MLE other than Diop who is going to Dallas apparently. Perhaps we get a Kurt Thomas, Fransisco Elson for the LLE.

I think Kurt Thomas has already agreed to resign and I think you're absolutely right. The only thing is that we could keep the LLE available to sign a PG. Maybe I'm asking too much

[Who]

I'd rather have Posey.  And my guess is that B-diddy walked away from 18 million to become a Laker, not a Clipper, so I don't see Maggette settling for the MLE.

I think you're right about that. The Baron-to-Clippers story is unlikely to happen. Then what do they do? They resign Maggette at a higher price than the MLE.

Why are there no Arenas to the Clippers stories? They tried before.

How's that? Will the Lakers offer Odom for a S&T? What else? And who resigns Maggette at a higher price? If the Clippers want to sign Davis, they'll have to renounce Maggette's rights.

I just don't think it's likely Baron signs on with the Clippers. It's definitely possible but I don't believe it to be likely, too many things need to happen at the same time.

I think Brick is right with the Clippers part, the Lakers part I don't care too much about and didn't think on .... but it's more likely than him signing with the Clippers - they're not trying to resign Brand while convincing Baron to join ... and they have an NBA Finals team, Kobe Bryant and the two best big men he'll have ever player with to offer Baron right off the bat. That's a good offer. Gaining Odom in a sign and trade is a good deal for the Warriors too.

What can a Odom rental do for the Warriors? I don't think Mullin values Odom more than the cap space. Who cares how good the Lakers are if they don't have salary to sign Baron?

Re: Clippers, I don't see that too many things have to happen: they just need to agree contracts with Baron and Brand. They have enough cap space to offer good enough contracts to both of them - $100M 5/6 years contracts. Brand was probably saying the true when he stated that he was only opting out to give the team more chances of restructuring the salary sheet.

The Warriors have no big men. Odom the player who's best in a freelancing offense where he can use his talents ... I don't know that sounds like Don Nelson's offense to me. Odom would only be the best defensive big man on their team and their best rebounder from Day One. He fixes a lot of holes.

Odom is a great recovery after losing Baron Davis. Keep him for a year and see if he works out. The Warriors could also get other talent like Jordan Farmer who's value drops to LA once Baron is on board.

The Warriors will be very happy to enter that sign and trade and that's a lot more to like about the Lakers than the Clippers.

It's possible the Clips pull it off but I don't believe it to be likely.

If the Lakers are willing to throw in guys like Farmar/Vujacic/Ariza and picks (that they don't have), that can happen. Otherwise, I highly doubt the Warriors are interested. They're resigning their youngsters and go for a rebuilding. What can they do next season with Odom replacing Baron? Missing the playoffs for a couple of games and losing chances in the lottery.

Billy Owens is someone I've been thinking about. Lamar Odom is the new Billy Owens. If the Warriors were to lose Baron anyway, Lamar is a good save who's contract keeps their financial flexibility and possibly lands them a good piece for the next 6 years.

Anyway it's immaterial now. Baron has joined the Clippers. Incredible deal for the Clippers.

[timepiece33]

If it is a 3 year deal at the MLE, it isn't overpaying for Posey.  IMO, that is right money for him.

It's overpaying him. That we can afford to overpay him, and serve our interests, is different discussion.

As I look at the guys getting the MLE, I disagree.   

[BudweiserCeltic]

Maggette is a better offensive player, but he can't hold Posey's jock defensively. There is something to be said for a defensive presence off the bench.  The guy is a good rebounder and a nice outside shooter.  He can drive, but doesn't need to on this team.

And Posey can't hold Maggette's jock offensively. I guess it's a matter of who's jock is ultimately better.

If it is a 3 year deal at the MLE, it isn't overpaying for Posey.  IMO, that is right money for him.

It's overpaying him. That we can afford to overpay him, and serve our interests, is different discussion.

As I look at the guys getting the MLE, I disagree.  

Hey, that teams around make bad decisions financially and overpay players it's their problem.

Not to bring Tony Allen to the discussion, but to put in perspective what I mean, I think we could've afforded to give TA a QO, that it would've been overpaying him is a different discussion... but we could've afforded to do so.

Hey I love Posey, but he's not someone you just throw a MLE offer at... only a team like the Celtics could've afforded to do so; to overpay for his services.

[get_banners]

is there any possibility we could get them both? because maggette would HAVE to get the full MLE if he came here - dude could probably make a bit more than that elsewhere. but there's no chance he'd come if he didn't get the full MLE. which leaves us...no options for posey, right? personally, i think this is just danny covering his bases, and that we'll resign posey and maggette will get a much more lucrative deal elsewhere.

[Frontierboy]

I can see Maggette coming here....... he would replace Tony Allen in the lineup...... and Posey should still be joining us. 

[Moranis]

Another cap question: I think I posted this before, my apologies if this was posted already. I saw this is one of the Baron threads but it wasn't answered:

Why does Brand have to take a paycut to play with the Clips again? Let's say (hypothetically) that Baron gets 20 million a year from LA. Why couldn't they give Brand the same amount because of the bird rights and just go over the cap?

because the Clippers have to hold a certain amount of money for Brand and by doing that they wouldn't have the cap space to offer B. Diddy the contract they did.

The Clippers will re-sign Brand at a lower rate, renounce their rights to Maggette (to free up his place holder salary), and then have the cap space to sign Davis to the contract they have agreed to in principle.

[Who]

Corey Maggette is about to become the best player in the NBA earning the MLE or lower that is not on a rookie contract.

[BringToughnessBack]

Wow, after a long business meeting, I come back to see this! Awesome developments. I like what Danny is doing..he is actually reminding me of Theo post 2004 World Series when we laid the line in the sand to our big free agents, Mr. Hair and Mr. Martinez..we can pay this much, here is our offer, Don't wait too long.

Danny is showing why our franchise is in good hands. He was one step ahead with this fast Magette offer while at the same time saying to Posey, this is what we can pay and at the same time showing him we will not sit by idly. I believe Posey is invaluable to our team but not irreplaceable if cost is too prohibitive.

Can it be that Danny Boy has another solid plan for next year and beyond on how to make sure we not only compete now but also 5 years from now as well. He saw what happens when a team lets there aging stars play too much towards the ends of there careers..Magette would be a perfect solution for that. At the same time, he knows that you cannot just sit around and be satisfied with 17...Our drive for 18 begins today and I have a feeling it is going to be as fun as this past season

Go Danny...Go Celtics...Lets Get Ready to Repeat!

[cordobes]

is there any possibility we could get them both? because maggette would HAVE to get the full MLE if he came here - dude could probably make a bit more than that elsewhere. but there's no chance he'd come if he didn't get the full MLE. which leaves us...no options for posey, right? personally, i think this is just danny covering his bases, and that we'll resign posey and maggette will get a much more lucrative deal elsewhere.

Yes there is: we can sign Posey with the non-Bird exception (e.g. $22.5M/5 years)

[Barnabas]

Maggette will provide some additional scoring punch, which is something we needed from the bench.  Maybe they think Maggette is the type of player who can create his own shots, which is needed.  I've not watched Maggette and know very little of his game other than what his profile and stats are saying.  Do you think the Celtics are willing to pay huge luxury tax money to obtain his services?  With regards to their offer, are they thinking of him as an alternative to James Posey?  It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, financially, to have them both given that we still need to find (and pay for) a back up Center. 

[Donoghus]

is there any possibility we could get them both? because maggette would HAVE to get the full MLE if he came here - dude could probably make a bit more than that elsewhere. but there's no chance he'd come if he didn't get the full MLE. which leaves us...no options for posey, right? personally, i think this is just danny covering his bases, and that we'll resign posey and maggette will get a much more lucrative deal elsewhere.

Yes there is: we can sign Posey with the non-Bird exception (e.g. $22.5M/5 years)

If we already offered the full MLE to Posey (speculation on my part), I don't see us then going back and offering the Non-Bird's right deal afterwards and Posey not seeing it as a slap in the face.

[BudweiserCeltic]

is there any possibility we could get them both? because maggette would HAVE to get the full MLE if he came here - dude could probably make a bit more than that elsewhere. but there's no chance he'd come if he didn't get the full MLE. which leaves us...no options for posey, right? personally, i think this is just danny covering his bases, and that we'll resign posey and maggette will get a much more lucrative deal elsewhere.

Yes there is: we can sign Posey with the non-Bird exception (e.g. $22.5M/5 years)

If we already offered the full MLE to Posey (speculation on my part), I don't see us then going back and offering the Non-Bird's right deal afterwards and Posey not seeing it as a slap in the face.

Well if he signs for one year, he'd get 400,000 more than the player option he had agreed to before. Also, we can make him think that we'll pay him more the year after with bird rights.  Who knows what financial and safety risks he might be willing to take. We're selling a championship after all.

[MetroGlobe]

Corey Maggette is about to become the best player in the NBA earning the MLE or lower that is not on a rookie contract.

Doesn't New Jersey have about 7 mill to offer?  And I think Orlando has some too.  And if The Hawks lose Smith and/or Childress, they'll have money too.  I doubt Philly would make a big play for Corey, considering their glut of wing players and how long it took them to get out of salary cap hell from Billy King's reign.

I see Orlando being the final destination for Mr. Magette.  But if somehow he did dawn the Shamrock Green, I'd be thrilled beyond belief!!