Time for a change?

[Vermont Green]

If I'm Milwaukee, I take that Clipper package. It's a lot better than that garbage Miami package being offered.

#5 pick man. A young prospect to start their rebuild.

Clippers get Jaylen Brown to team up with Mathurin and Kawhi? Add some pieces and make some noise in the West again.

Celtics get Giannis and Portis to contend with New York and the elites of the West

Think it's a win/win/win for all 3 teams.

Celtics need size, and don't forget, Haliburton is coming back and they have Zubac now so the Pacers will be right back up there with New York. I know the C's swept the Pacers in their last two playoff meetings but they can only sweep them so much. They'll be tough.

I have a couple of questions on this.  First, why wouldn't LAC just deal directly with MIL and have Giannis to team with Mathurin and Leonard?  That is probably a better team, more balanced.  I know the obvious answer is that Giannis doesn't want to go the LA, but this all seems like a strange fit for LAC.

And also, what else is LAC sending out the MIL.  Just a bunch of bad contracts from what I can tell,

[Goldstar88]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

[Celtics2021]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

Disagree about Brad.  He has long said he does not respond to rumors because then people will look to silence as evidence in the future.  I assure you if someone started rumors about Jayson Tatum tomorrow he would also say nothing.

[Ilikesports17]

If I'm Milwaukee, I take that Clipper package. It's a lot better than that garbage Miami package being offered.

#5 pick man. A young prospect to start their rebuild.

Clippers get Jaylen Brown to team up with Mathurin and Kawhi? Add some pieces and make some noise in the West again.

Celtics get Giannis and Portis to contend with New York and the elites of the West

Think it's a win/win/win for all 3 teams.

Celtics need size, and don't forget, Haliburton is coming back and they have Zubac now so the Pacers will be right back up there with New York. I know the C's swept the Pacers in their last two playoff meetings but they can only sweep them so much. They'll be tough.

I have a couple of questions on this.  First, why wouldn't LAC just deal directly with MIL and have Giannis to team with Mathurin and Leonard?  That is probably a better team, more balanced.  I know the obvious answer is that Giannis doesn't want to go the LA, but this all seems like a strange fit for LAC.

And also, what else is LAC sending out the MIL.  Just a bunch of bad contracts from what I can tell,

Yeah all these three-teamers strike me as a little odd.

It makes some sense for Atlanta and Portland because presumably Giannis wont go there and I see why Brown makes sense for them. It makes no sense to me for LAC. First, Id think Giannis WOULD go to LAC and second Brown doesnt make much sense there for me. Espeically if youre losing Garland and #5 in the deal.

[Neurotic Guy]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

[Goldstar88]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

[smicker16]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

I think one thing is clear is that JB has been able to be part of trade rumors everywhere and still has yet to make a big public issue of that so I think his ego can take it. He may be the person that has been in the most rumors throughout his career. It is one thing i absolutely have to give him credit for so I think assuming he cannot handle it does not make any sense since we have years of evidence to the contrary.

With all that being said everyone does have a breaking point so I would not be shocked if this is the last rumor season for him to go through where he finally says enough. I do not think there is any evidence to that but would not be surprised at this point and after this many years of these rumors I have a tough time fully blaming him too.

[keevsnick]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

I just think it's kind of crazy to say definitively that Jaylen can't handle being a number two when he's been a number two for every year (except last year) of the last six or that he can't handle trade rumors when he's been in trade rumors almost every year since he was drafted. These aren't hypotheticals, he's already been dealing with this stuff.

Whenever someone says "Brown wants his own team" or "Brown wants to be #1" they are speculating. He may even want those things but simply value being on a contender more. Acting like he it's a forgone conclusion that he wants to leave is silly to me.

[Goldstar88]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

I just think it's kind of crazy to say definitively that Jaylen can't handle being a number two when he's been a number two for every year (except last year) of the last six or that he can't handle trade rumors when he's been in trade rumors almost every year since he was drafted. These aren't hypotheticals, he's already been dealing with this stuff.

Whenever someone says "Brown wants his own team" or "Brown wants to be #1" they are speculating. He may even want those things but simply value being on a contender more. Acting like he it's a forgone conclusion that he wants to leave is silly to me.

You don?t think things have changed since last year?. JB has made numerous comments this past season about him sacrificing over the years. That he was held back during the Hayward years, etc. stating that his favorite season was the most recent. The one where he got to be the number one option. JB is saying these things, not the media, not the fans. Do you think these comments are by accident?

[keevsnick]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

I just think it's kind of crazy to say definitively that Jaylen can't handle being a number two when he's been a number two for every year (except last year) of the last six or that he can't handle trade rumors when he's been in trade rumors almost every year since he was drafted. These aren't hypotheticals, he's already been dealing with this stuff.

Whenever someone says "Brown wants his own team" or "Brown wants to be #1" they are speculating. He may even want those things but simply value being on a contender more. Acting like he it's a forgone conclusion that he wants to leave is silly to me.

You don?t think things have changed since last year?. JB has made numerous comments this past season about him sacrificing over the years. That he was held back during the Hayward years, etc. stating that his favorite season was the most recent. The one where he got to be the number one option. JB is saying these things, not the media, not the fans. Do you think these comments are by accident?

No, I don't. I Jaylen ha a great year and made 2nd team all-nba, but he's also done that WITH Tatum on the floor.

As for the comments, saying "I've sacrificed" isn't the same as saying "I don't want to sacrifice." A person can acknowledge the fact that they've sacrificed but still prefer the situation they are in for a variety of reasons. Sometimes a guy says something not because he wants a change, but because he just wants recognition for what he is doing.

He's literally said he would spend his entire career here if it was his choice. He's made multiple all nba teams and 5x all-star teams as well as a 35% super max playing net to Tatum not to mention a finals MVP. I seriously doubt he views Tatum as some anchor.

The bottom line is this. Until Jaylen says "I want out" I'm not going out of my way to read into stuff. I think he wants to win, and if I had to guess he knows that playing next to a guy like Tatum gives him the best combo of "chance to win" while also being a very close to equal 1a in usage.

[Neurotic Guy]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

I just think it's kind of crazy to say definitively that Jaylen can't handle being a number two when he's been a number two for every year (except last year) of the last six or that he can't handle trade rumors when he's been in trade rumors almost every year since he was drafted. These aren't hypotheticals, he's already been dealing with this stuff.

Whenever someone says "Brown wants his own team" or "Brown wants to be #1" they are speculating. He may even want those things but simply value being on a contender more. Acting like he it's a forgone conclusion that he wants to leave is silly to me.

You don?t think things have changed since last year?. JB has made numerous comments this past season about him sacrificing over the years, that he was held back during the Hayward years, etc. stating that his favorite season was the most recent. The one where he got to be the number one option. JB is saying these things, not the media, not the fans. Do you think these comments are by accident?

Human beings may be more complex and resilient than you give them credit for, at least in this situation.  A person can express frustration, express disappointment, even express anger, and still do their job as cop, teacher, salesperson, banker, or basketball player. I think his comments do communicate frustration, but since when does frustration mean a person is incapable of managing it and being effective in their work or life? People deal with frustration all the time. Note than when he was frustrated about Hayward he didn?t run away, he worked hard and went on to be a Finals MVP.

[Goldstar88]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

I just think it's kind of crazy to say definitively that Jaylen can't handle being a number two when he's been a number two for every year (except last year) of the last six or that he can't handle trade rumors when he's been in trade rumors almost every year since he was drafted. These aren't hypotheticals, he's already been dealing with this stuff.

Whenever someone says "Brown wants his own team" or "Brown wants to be #1" they are speculating. He may even want those things but simply value being on a contender more. Acting like he it's a forgone conclusion that he wants to leave is silly to me.

You don?t think things have changed since last year?. JB has made numerous comments this past season about him sacrificing over the years. That he was held back during the Hayward years, etc. stating that his favorite season was the most recent. The one where he got to be the number one option. JB is saying these things, not the media, not the fans. Do you think these comments are by accident?

No, I don't. I Jaylen ha a great year and made 2nd team all-nba, but he's also done that WITH Tatum on the floor.

As for the comments, saying "I've sacrificed" isn't the same as saying "I don't want to sacrifice." A person can acknowledge the fact that they've sacrificed but still prefer the situation they are in for a variety of reasons. Sometimes a guy says something not because he wants a change, but because he just wants recognition for what he is doing.

He's literally said he would spend his entire career here if it was his choice. He's made multiple all nba teams and 5x all-star teams as well as a 35% super max playing net to Tatum not to mention a finals MVP. I seriously doubt he views Tatum as some anchor.

The bottom line is this. Until Jaylen says "I want out" I'm not going out of my way to read into stuff. I think he wants to win, and if I had to guess he knows that playing next to a guy like Tatum gives him the best combo of "chance to win" while also being a very close to equal 1a in usage.

You can read into his comments however you want, but this does not sound to me like someone who is fine taking a backseat going forward.

Jaylen Brown: I feel like I?ve sacrificed over the years in order for us to be a championship-caliber team. And I think now, I think we?re getting to see that a little bit. What exactly, you know, I was capable of and what I was sacrificing. I think before maybe it wasn?t so obvious. I think now, I think being able to be at the helm of things and, um, us being the second seed in the East?versus last year we finished second seed in the East?it?s almost been no drop-off with four players, five players that are essentially gone.

[Goldstar88]

The Bucks clearly don?t like the Heats offer. If they did, the deal would be done. Giannis is reportedly interested in signing an extension with Boston. Brad better get this trade done.

I think it is clear that the Bucks do not want the key piece from either team, and players are being shopped around to third and fourth teams to find pieces and picks the Bucks do prefer.

I also think that probably 2/3 of the league is annoyed with the Bucks because they already went through this process at the deadline, only for nothing to happen.

Right, but the Key piece the Celtics have to offer is Jaylen Brown. The Heat have Tyler Herro. No one is giving up a haul for Tyler Herro. The Celtics should be in the drivers seat.

I legitimately wonder if Milwaukee would rather keep Giannis than accept that Miami package. Unless Giannis changes his mind, I don't think he's signing an extension with Portland or Atlanta (at least he isn't promising it) so those teams wouldn't give up multiple premium assets, and if Boston doesn't get him then MIL either has to either agree to the Miami deal or keep him. Or maybe hope another team takes a gamble on him similar to Toronto in 2019 with Kawhi.

I'm sure some teams will be interested in Herro but he's also extension eligible, I believe I read he can be given an additional 3-4 years at 45M+ AAV. Sorry but that's crazy. Reaves is projected to get 5/240M from LAL and I think Reaves is better than Herro. Bucks have said they don't want to extend Herro. @Who bought up the Magic in the other thread as a potential fit and I agree, and teams like the Grizzlies are options. But again, even those teams I highly doubt would give up much for Herro besides maybe a player, salary piece and 1 FRP (or multiple seconds). Jaylen Brown and potential young players/picks from Portland/Atlanta/NOP is way more enticing in a 3-team framework

There is no way Milwaukee is keeping Giannis. I don?t think the Celtics can keep JB at this point either. If they weren?t actively shopping Brown, feel like Brad would have said so by now.

I don?t understand why people think a player can?t be part of a trade rumor (even a legit one) and decide to continue to play basketball with the team that considered trading him. He?s making 60M a year - he?s somehow unable to shake off whatever blow to his pride may have occurred? You and others may know JB well enough to know he?s incapable being a good teammate after all this talk, but I don?t know him nearly well enough to know that.  He?s a mega rich 30 year old man who was considered in a trade to attain one of the five best players on the planet.  His ego can?t handle that?  Idk - I just think if a trade doesn?t pan out JB is probably enough of a grownup to give it his best effort in a Boston uniform next season.

That?s just how it works in the NBA with star players. Look at Harden, KD, Kyrie, Kawhi, AD, etc. these guys ask to be traded and they get moved. Giannis will be moved.

Regarding JB, no I don?t think his ego can take being part of trade rumors. Just like I don?t think his ego can take being a #2 option going forward after he just has his Favorite season being the #1. He does not seem willing to take a back seat anymore. I believe the Celtics need to trade him.

I just think it's kind of crazy to say definitively that Jaylen can't handle being a number two when he's been a number two for every year (except last year) of the last six or that he can't handle trade rumors when he's been in trade rumors almost every year since he was drafted. These aren't hypotheticals, he's already been dealing with this stuff.

Whenever someone says "Brown wants his own team" or "Brown wants to be #1" they are speculating. He may even want those things but simply value being on a contender more. Acting like he it's a forgone conclusion that he wants to leave is silly to me.

You don?t think things have changed since last year?. JB has made numerous comments this past season about him sacrificing over the years, that he was held back during the Hayward years, etc. stating that his favorite season was the most recent. The one where he got to be the number one option. JB is saying these things, not the media, not the fans. Do you think these comments are by accident?

Human beings may be more complex and resilient than you give them credit for, at least in this situation.  A person can express frustration, express disappointment, even express anger, and still do their job as cop, teacher, salesperson, banker, or basketball player. I think his comments do communicate frustration, but since when does frustration mean a person is incapable of managing it and being effective in their work or life? People deal with frustration all the time. Note than when he was frustrated about Hayward he didn?t run away, he worked hard and went on to be a Finals MVP.

JB has done his job, I never said otherwise. I just feel as though things have changed after this past season. I?m not sure he is willing to go back to being a sidekick. People do change. Sometimes they want more. Guess we will find out soon enough.

[Phantom255x]

Here's a question based on this page of comments. Is Giannis okay becoming the #2 here? Or if the other way, is Tatum okay becoming the #2? There's multiple reasons it didn't work between Giannis-Lillard, but one of them was neither seemed to be willing to take a back seat or work it out/sacrifice. Giannis would be the #1 in Miami over Bam, no question. On this team, I think he'd have to be willing to accept being the #2, or 1B behind Tatum like Jaylen was all these years.