NBA Season 2022-23

[Moranis]

I expect Draymond to get $19-22mil a year on his next deal. Maybe more with the cap increase ($23-25mil per).

Draymond is still a good difference maker out there. Not a top 2/3 player on a team anymore but still a 4th best player on a team type of guy similar to Marcus Smart when Smart became a FA.

from who?

[Who]

I expect Draymond to get $19-22mil a year on his next deal. Maybe more with the cap increase ($23-25mil per).

Draymond is still a good difference maker out there. Not a top 2/3 player on a team anymore but still a 4th best player on a team type of guy similar to Marcus Smart when Smart became a FA.

from who?

No idea. Probably GSW. They can't afford to lose him.

[Moranis]

I expect Draymond to get $19-22mil a year on his next deal. Maybe more with the cap increase ($23-25mil per).

Draymond is still a good difference maker out there. Not a top 2/3 player on a team anymore but still a 4th best player on a team type of guy similar to Marcus Smart when Smart became a FA.

from who?

No idea. Probably GSW. They can't afford to lose him.

Sure they can.  His contract would cost them like 60+ million a year, he isn't worth that.  I think Klay may be gone as well.  The Warriors can't pay that kind of money for a team that lost 30+ road games and will likely be a 1st round playoff loser.  They aren't getting rid of Curry and I suspect they'd rather keep Wiggins and Poole given their ages.  Just too many contracts.  The best thing Draymond can do for the Warriors is opt out of his contract.

[Roy H.]

I expect Draymond to get $19-22mil a year on his next deal. Maybe more with the cap increase ($23-25mil per).

Draymond is still a good difference maker out there. Not a top 2/3 player on a team anymore but still a 4th best player on a team type of guy similar to Marcus Smart when Smart became a FA.

from who?

No idea. Probably GSW. They can't afford to lose him.

Sure they can.  His contract would cost them like 60+ million a year, he isn't worth that.  I think Klay may be gone as well.  The Warriors can't pay that kind of money for a team that lost 30+ road games and will likely be a 1st round playoff loser.  They aren't getting rid of Curry and I suspect they'd rather keep Wiggins and Poole given their ages.  Just too many contracts.  The best thing Draymond can do for the Warriors is opt out of his contract.

With the new rules that are going to act more like a hard cap, my guess is that Golden State is going to want to hold onto those contracts in order to trade them.

[Celtics2021]

I expect Draymond to get $19-22mil a year on his next deal. Maybe more with the cap increase ($23-25mil per).

Draymond is still a good difference maker out there. Not a top 2/3 player on a team anymore but still a 4th best player on a team type of guy similar to Marcus Smart when Smart became a FA.

from who?

No idea. Probably GSW. They can't afford to lose him.

Sure they can.  His contract would cost them like 60+ million a year, he isn't worth that.  I think Klay may be gone as well.  The Warriors can't pay that kind of money for a team that lost 30+ road games and will likely be a 1st round playoff loser.  They aren't getting rid of Curry and I suspect they'd rather keep Wiggins and Poole given their ages.  Just too many contracts.  The best thing Draymond can do for the Warriors is opt out of his contract.

With the new rules that are going to act more like a hard cap, my guess is that Golden State is going to want to hold onto those contracts in order to trade them.

I’m curious to see if Lacob will go that route or use the new rules as an excuse to cut payroll, under the guise that they want MLE flexibility.

I know Ballmer is going to keep spending, however.

[Vermont Green]

GSW don't have a lot of say in what Green does.  It is a player option.  If he picks it up, the only option is to trade him, and that won't be easy, even less easy with the new rules that will apply to teams over the second apron.  If he doesn't pick it up, it probably means he wants to go somewhere else.  The option is $27.5M.  I don't see him opting out and then resigning with GSW.  He will only opt out if he feels he has a better deal with LAL or someone.

I predict he will pick up the option.  I am sure that he has some value around the league.  There are teams that could use him.  But I don't see a team throwing $27M or more at him.  GSW have been really good lately at figuring out how to get something back when they are losing players.  But they did just let Wiseman go for savings purposes, a contract they could have held on to to trade if that was how they were going to approach this.  If Green does pick up the option, they will be at $147M with just 4 players, $176M with Poole.  GSW are probably OK with this.  One more run with both Thompson and Green being in the last year of their contacts.

With the move, the Warriors are saving about $7 million in luxury tax for this season and $30 million for next season, per Wojnarowski. Golden State has the second-highest payroll in the NBA this season, and has a trio of players—Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Andrew Wiggins—set to make nearly $120 million combined next year. Forward Draymond Green also has a player option worth $27.5 million for 2023-24.

[Who]

Klay is the guy I'd be getting rid of. Not for financial reasons but basketball ones. GSW's perimeter defense has been very poor. They were reliant on pre-injury Klay to provide good backcourt defense next to Steph and Klay can no longer do that. Not only can he not hide Steph but Klay himself is now someone who needs to be hidden. He is now the worst defender in that starting lineup.

And Jordan Poole is not an answer here either. He is just as bad Klay albeit in different ways. He was getting abused by Monk the other night. He has struggled with physicality and size throughout his career as he small undersized guard. A physically weak guard. I would trade Poole as well.

GSW should not be this reliant on a backup PG in Gary Payton II to enforce their perimeter D. This is all because of the weakness of Klay and Poole. They have to address that.

[Who]

GSW cannot afford to Draymond.

Without Draymond, they would be a bottom 5 defensive team in the league. Even with a great offense, they'd still only be struggling around .500.

Not only would their defense crater but so too would their rebounding. Klay and Poole are both bad rebounders. So they don't get much help from their guards on the ball. Wiggins is a mediocre rebounder. Their backup SF lacks size. They have no real big forward to replace Draymond so likely will be forced to play even smaller with two SFs instead of a SF+PF. That leaves who, Kevon Looney? They'll be one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.

GSW will get killed without Draymond there to cover up their defensive & rebounding frailities.

To have any hope of getting back into title contention, they have to keep Draymond Green. He is too important to their team to lose him.

[Moranis]

GSW cannot afford to Draymond.

Without Draymond, they would be a bottom 5 defensive team in the league. Even with a great offense, they'd still only be struggling around .500.

Not only would their defense crater but so too would their rebounding. Klay and Poole are both bad rebounders. So they don't get much help from their guards on the ball. Wiggins is a mediocre rebounder. Their backup SF lacks size. They have no real big forward to replace Draymond so likely will be forced to play even smaller with two SFs instead of a SF+PF. That leaves who, Kevon Looney? They'll be one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.

GSW will get killed without Draymond there to cover up their defensive & rebounding frailities.

To have any hope of getting back into title contention, they have to keep Draymond Green. He is too important to their team to lose him.

Well they can't just lose him and not replace him, but I think they can find better options, that cost less, and aren't anywhere near the headache Green is.  Now maybe Green just solves part of that problem by taking less money, but for more years.  Perhaps a 4 year 60 million deal with a no trade clause.  He can finish out his career in GS if he wants to, doing something like that.  Value in that I would imagine even if it means less overall money than if he just opted in and rolled the dice the following summer.

[theswitch]

GSW cannot afford to Draymond.

Without Draymond, they would be a bottom 5 defensive team in the league. Even with a great offense, they'd still only be struggling around .500.

Not only would their defense crater but so too would their rebounding. Klay and Poole are both bad rebounders. So they don't get much help from their guards on the ball. Wiggins is a mediocre rebounder. Their backup SF lacks size. They have no real big forward to replace Draymond so likely will be forced to play even smaller with two SFs instead of a SF+PF. That leaves who, Kevon Looney? They'll be one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.

GSW will get killed without Draymond there to cover up their defensive & rebounding frailities.

To have any hope of getting back into title contention, they have to keep Draymond Green. He is too important to their team to lose him.

Well they can't just lose him and not replace him, but I think they can find better options, that cost less, and aren't anywhere near the headache Green is.  Now maybe Green just solves part of that problem by taking less money, but for more years.  Perhaps a 4 year 60 million deal with a no trade clause.  He can finish out his career in GS if he wants to, doing something like that.  Value in that I would imagine even if it means less overall money than if he just opted in and rolled the dice the following summer.

I agree that there isn't going to be a huge market for him outside of this situation -- it's too big of a locker room risk to introduce someone as volatile as Draymond this late in his career (and I'm a huge Draymond fan). I like the idea of a rich but team-friendly deal to keep him around.

Defensively, I think Kuminga is ready -- when he's had his opportunities, he's been long, athletic, and ferocious at the point of attack defensively. He's not much of a rebounder but he needs an opportunity to prove himself next year in bigger minutes. Only 20 years old and a big part of the future.

It's a shame they missed or gave up on Wiseman so early...understand Payton is the right move to help solve for this season but Wiseman is 21 years old and put up 13/8 on 53% shooting in Detroit. He's still incredibly raw but they made a hasty choice to go all in.

[Goldstar88]

Hope the Grizz can still pull off the win. Otherwise, this series is over.

MEMPHIS -- Grizzlies point guard Ja Morant was ruled out of Wednesday's Game 2 against the Los Angeles Lakers due to right hand soreness.

The Grizzlies announced an hour before tipoff that Morant, who has bruising in the soft tissue of the hand, would not play.

Grizzlies coach Taylor Jenkins said during his pregame media availability that Morant is "feeling a little bit better" but that his status would not be determined until after his warmup routine. Morant did not take the FedExForum floor for his normal pregame routine.

[Goldstar88]

Wow. Heat could take this series!

Giannis Antetokounmpo won't play against Miami due to back injury

Jamal Collier: Giannis Antetokounmpo is OUT tonight, coach Mike Budenholzer says.  – via Twitter JamalCollier

[Phantom255x]

Wow. Heat could take this series!

Giannis Antetokounmpo won't play against Miami due to back injury

Jamal Collier: Giannis Antetokounmpo is OUT tonight, coach Mike Budenholzer says.  – via Twitter JamalCollier

Nah Milwaukee will still win it, BUT I definitely think this series is going at least 6 games. Hopefully Miami can wear them down and continue to play physical. Something else to factor is Middleton still is dealing with a knee issue. He's still playing and playing well, but reportedly it's not 100% healed. It might be something that just lingers for him, but the worst thing that can happen is they play some extra games, and it adds to the wear-and-tear with him. It's one of those things where if Middleton isn't 100% by the ECF against (possibly) Boston, it could hurt them too

[Goldstar88]

Wow. Heat could take this series!

Giannis Antetokounmpo won't play against Miami due to back injury

Jamal Collier: Giannis Antetokounmpo is OUT tonight, coach Mike Budenholzer says.  – via Twitter JamalCollier

Nah Milwaukee will still win it, BUT I definitely think this series is going at least 6 games. Hopefully Miami can wear them down and continue to play physical. Something else to factor is Middleton still is dealing with a knee issue. He's still playing and playing well, but reportedly it's not 100% healed. It might be something that just lingers for him, but the worst thing that can happen is they play some extra games, and it adds to the wear-and-tear with him. It's one of those things where if Middleton isn't 100% by the ECF against (possibly) Boston, it could hurt them too

Miami should be favored at this point, IMO. They took home court, Giannis is out tonight and Middleton isn’t 100%. If the Heat win today, I don’t think the Bucks can come back and win that series.

[blink]

So if Giannis is out tonight, and Miami wins tonight with him out, I don't see how the Heat won't be favored at that point?
If Giannis can't play tonight his injury must be pretty impactful.  If it is that bad, I don't see him being 100% somehow for game 3, but who knows.