Timelord (Woj: To play limited minutes in Game 3)

[tenn_smoothie]

Hoping for a quick recovery for Rob but ultimately dont rush it. I would hate for it to become a lingering issue and by the looks of things our young guys got a bright future ahead! Best case scenario our guys can weather the storm for a round or 2 and give him that 5 week range to recover

Agreed. If Williams and the team do shut it down, the only reason should be not to put this group's future potential to hang banners in danger. Williams is already a multi-millionaire. I have read that is very team-oriented. Really hope that is true.

I had this surgery in my 40's and it was an easy recovery, though I wasn't trying to heal up for the NBA playoffs.

Was the requirement for surgery an indication that his injury was more serious than they had hoped ?

[tenn_smoothie]

Doubt he can come back that quick with conditioning and all..that’s why a backup good center is important

Doesn’t the 4-6 week timeline include conditioning usually ? I can’t imagine he won’t start PT until week 6 for example. Should be once the swelling goes down..?

I'd imagine. He should be back in the gym in two weeks or so and from there it will depend how long until he is at full strength. With him only needing the minor not very invasive surgery, it will be more about if there is any lingering pain more than anything.

Either way, this is great news. I know people might be worried about the long-term outlook with him only going for the trim, but I doubt the team or TL would be putting his career in jeopardy by having him take a risk. Sounds like this is probably a best case scenario...all things considered.

I'm worried about his long-term outlook—not because of this particular surgery, but because he has yet to go a full season without a significant injury. Here's a list of his injuries so far in his short career (per foxsports.com):

02/15/2022   Calf
01/01/2022   Toe
11/15/2021   Knee
05/28/2021   Ankle
05/18/2021   Toe
05/09/2021   Foot
05/06/2021   Foot
04/27/2021   Knee
04/15/2021   Knee
02/11/2021   Left Hip
03/09/2020   Back
12/08/2019   Hip
11/16/2019   Right Ankle Soreness
11/13/2019   Ankle
11/01/2019   Left Hip
03/23/2019   Lower Back Contusion
02/12/2019   Back
02/03/2019   Lower Back Soreness
12/27/2018   Groin

No way we can deny that Williams is seriously injury prone, though this season was looking real hopeful 'til the current injury.
Not sure what makes an athlete more susceptible to injury than normal, but I assume it is something with their physiological makeup.

I know there are studies about how emotional stress or the loss of social support can make an athlete more vulnerable to injury than when they are at a more stable social/emotional place in their lives. The link between certain physiological traits of an athlete and their subsequent frequency of injury would be a fascinating topic for some exercise physiology eggheads at the University level to delve into.

[tazzmaniac]

Doubt he can come back that quick with conditioning and all..that’s why a backup good center is important

Doesn’t the 4-6 week timeline include conditioning usually ? I can’t imagine he won’t start PT until week 6 for example. Should be once the swelling goes down..?

I'd imagine. He should be back in the gym in two weeks or so and from there it will depend how long until he is at full strength. With him only needing the minor not very invasive surgery, it will be more about if there is any lingering pain more than anything.

Either way, this is great news. I know people might be worried about the long-term outlook with him only going for the trim, but I doubt the team or TL would be putting his career in jeopardy by having him take a risk. Sounds like this is probably a best case scenario...all things considered.

I'm worried about his long-term outlook—not because of this particular surgery, but because he has yet to go a full season without a significant injury. Here's a list of his injuries so far in his short career (per foxsports.com):

02/15/2022   Calf
01/01/2022   Toe
11/15/2021   Knee
05/28/2021   Ankle
05/18/2021   Toe
05/09/2021   Foot
05/06/2021   Foot
04/27/2021   Knee
04/15/2021   Knee
02/11/2021   Left Hip
03/09/2020   Back
12/08/2019   Hip
11/16/2019   Right Ankle Soreness
11/13/2019   Ankle
11/01/2019   Left Hip
03/23/2019   Lower Back Contusion
02/12/2019   Back
02/03/2019   Lower Back Soreness
12/27/2018   Groin

No way we can deny that Williams is seriously injury prone, though this season was looking real hopeful 'til the current injury.
Not sure what makes an athlete more susceptible to injury than normal, but I assume it is something with their physiological makeup.

I know there are studies about how emotional stress or the loss of social support can make an athlete more vulnerable to injury than when they are at a more stable social/emotional place in their lives. The link between certain physiological traits of an athlete and their subsequent frequency of injury would be a fascinating topic for some exercise physiology eggheads at the University level to delve into.

NBA players, even young players, get dinged up a lot over the course of an 82-game season.  Here's the list of Jaylen Brown's injuries from FoxSports. 

03/01/2022   Ankle
12/02/2021   Hamstring
11/27/2021   Competition Reconditioning
11/25/2021   Conditioning
11/23/2021   Reconditioning
11/04/2021   Hamstring
10/23/2021   Knee
10/19/2021   Health Protocols
05/02/2021   Wrist
04/21/2021   Shoulder
04/17/2021   Illness
04/10/2021   Knee
04/02/2021   Knee
03/29/2021   Hip
02/27/2021   Knee
02/18/2021   Knee
02/04/2021   Knee
01/09/2021   Health And Safety Protocols
08/18/2020   Right Thigh
08/12/2020   Ankle
03/04/2020   Hamstring
02/11/2020   Calf
02/10/2020   Ankle
02/06/2020   Ankle
01/21/2020   Ankle
01/15/2020   Thumb
12/30/2019   Illness
10/30/2019   Illness
04/08/2019   Low Back Spasms
04/01/2019   Back
12/18/2018   Hand
12/13/2018   Illness
11/24/2018   Back
10/31/2018   Foot
04/29/2018   Sore Right Hamstring
03/08/2018   Head
02/08/2018   Sprained Left Ankle
12/26/2017   Sore Leg
12/21/2017   Left Achilles Soreness
12/06/2017   Right Eye

And Jayson Tatum's injury list. 

12/27/2021   Health Protocols
05/25/2021   Eye
05/16/2021   Ankle
05/14/2021   Ankle
05/02/2021   Undisclosed
04/26/2021   Ankle
04/21/2021   Ankle
04/18/2021   Ankle
04/10/2021   Illness
03/22/2021   Illness
01/09/2021   Health And Safety Protocols
08/12/2020   Ankle
03/02/2020   Illness
01/22/2020   Groin
01/14/2020   Knee
04/08/2019   Shin
03/24/2019   Lower Back Contusion
03/11/2019   Shoulder
01/13/2018   Stiff Knee
11/08/2017   Sore Right Ankle

[Redz]

If I’m this guy’s agent, I’m pushing him to shut it down for the rest of this season.

Why? Williams is on a long-term contract, there's no need to worry about that.

Literally the reason why he should wait and play it safe. He’s gotten the bag. He doesn’t have to rush back. Ease your way back. Protect yourself and potential to earn another deal after this one.

That doesn’t make sense to me. He’s getting his money whether he plays or not. You think he’s going to sit out and let his teammates down just to play it safe?

Jaylen Brown literally did the same thing the other year. Instead of playing through an injury he called it a season and got surgery. I don’t think his teammates would view him differently at all tbh. They understand it is a business and that he’s protecting himself and his future earning potential. Coming back in 6 weeks for a guy like him seems pretty optimistic. Considering the Ca have never been forthright with injuries I take that projection with a large grain of salt.

JB had surgery in early May of 2021 to repair a torn scapholunate ligament in his left wrist. The recovery time was 3 months. That’s not really comparable as there was no chance of him being able to return for the playoffs.

He literally could have played through it. It was a pain management thing that he could have just waited until offseason to have surgery. He elected to not do it and pass on the playoffs. His teammates didn’t think any less of him.

Yeah, that’s not true.

“According to the team, Brown was diagnosed with a torn scapholunate ligament in his left wrist this weekend. He is expected to have the torn ligament surgically repaired later this week.

An NBA source tells SportsCenter 5's Chris Gasper that Brown has been dealing with and playing through a nagging wrist injury during the season, but recent testing revealed that the injury was much more serious and the season-ending surgery was necessary.”


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcvb.com/amp/article/boston-celtics-jaylen-brown-out-for-season-wrist-injury/36388179

sorry just saw this, correct
TP for beating me to it

I think the difference here is that this year's team has shown enough promise to believe they can make a run in the playoffs, where as last season was clearly a lost cause.

[spikelovetheCelts]

We want to see him bad. But i think with the way he plays TimeLord his season is over. I am hopeful but he seems to be a slow healer. It seems when my hope is up something always kills it. The Celtics are the last of the teams I care for and no this. I thought Nesmith played well last time out so I am hopeful there.  Can Willie Clauey  or Harry Giles sign and play in the playoffs?

[bdm860]

Doubt he can come back that quick with conditioning and all..that’s why a backup good center is important

Doesn’t the 4-6 week timeline include conditioning usually ? I can’t imagine he won’t start PT until week 6 for example. Should be once the swelling goes down..?

I'd imagine. He should be back in the gym in two weeks or so and from there it will depend how long until he is at full strength. With him only needing the minor not very invasive surgery, it will be more about if there is any lingering pain more than anything.

Either way, this is great news. I know people might be worried about the long-term outlook with him only going for the trim, but I doubt the team or TL would be putting his career in jeopardy by having him take a risk. Sounds like this is probably a best case scenario...all things considered.

I'm worried about his long-term outlook—not because of this particular surgery, but because he has yet to go a full season without a significant injury. Here's a list of his injuries so far in his short career (per foxsports.com):

02/15/2022   Calf
01/01/2022   Toe
11/15/2021   Knee
05/28/2021   Ankle
05/18/2021   Toe
05/09/2021   Foot
05/06/2021   Foot
04/27/2021   Knee
04/15/2021   Knee
02/11/2021   Left Hip
03/09/2020   Back
12/08/2019   Hip
11/16/2019   Right Ankle Soreness
11/13/2019   Ankle
11/01/2019   Left Hip
03/23/2019   Lower Back Contusion
02/12/2019   Back
02/03/2019   Lower Back Soreness
12/27/2018   Groin

No way we can deny that Williams is seriously injury prone, though this season was looking real hopeful 'til the current injury.
Not sure what makes an athlete more susceptible to injury than normal, but I assume it is something with their physiological makeup.

I know there are studies about how emotional stress or the loss of social support can make an athlete more vulnerable to injury than when they are at a more stable social/emotional place in their lives. The link between certain physiological traits of an athlete and their subsequent frequency of injury would be a fascinating topic for some exercise physiology eggheads at the University level to delve into.

NBA players, even young players, get dinged up a lot over the course of an 82-game season.  Here's the list of Jaylen Brown's injuries from FoxSports. 

03/01/2022   Ankle
12/02/2021   Hamstring
11/27/2021   Competition Reconditioning
11/25/2021   Conditioning
11/23/2021   Reconditioning
11/04/2021   Hamstring
10/23/2021   Knee
10/19/2021   Health Protocols
05/02/2021   Wrist
04/21/2021   Shoulder
04/17/2021   Illness
04/10/2021   Knee
04/02/2021   Knee
03/29/2021   Hip
02/27/2021   Knee
02/18/2021   Knee
02/04/2021   Knee
01/09/2021   Health And Safety Protocols
08/18/2020   Right Thigh
08/12/2020   Ankle
03/04/2020   Hamstring
02/11/2020   Calf
02/10/2020   Ankle
02/06/2020   Ankle
01/21/2020   Ankle
01/15/2020   Thumb
12/30/2019   Illness
10/30/2019   Illness
04/08/2019   Low Back Spasms
04/01/2019   Back
12/18/2018   Hand
12/13/2018   Illness
11/24/2018   Back
10/31/2018   Foot
04/29/2018   Sore Right Hamstring
03/08/2018   Head
02/08/2018   Sprained Left Ankle
12/26/2017   Sore Leg
12/21/2017   Left Achilles Soreness
12/06/2017   Right Eye

And Jayson Tatum's injury list. 

12/27/2021   Health Protocols
05/25/2021   Eye
05/16/2021   Ankle
05/14/2021   Ankle
05/02/2021   Undisclosed
04/26/2021   Ankle
04/21/2021   Ankle
04/18/2021   Ankle
04/10/2021   Illness
03/22/2021   Illness
01/09/2021   Health And Safety Protocols
08/12/2020   Ankle
03/02/2020   Illness
01/22/2020   Groin
01/14/2020   Knee
04/08/2019   Shin
03/24/2019   Lower Back Contusion
03/11/2019   Shoulder
01/13/2018   Stiff Knee
11/08/2017   Sore Right Ankle

These lists don't really do much without the associated games missed.  A lot of these weren't even on game days and/or the player played anyway.  And some of these are clearly the same thing.

For instance:

11/27/2021   Competition Reconditioning
11/25/2021   Conditioning
11/23/2021   Reconditioning

1.  All appear to be the same "injury"
2. Celtics didn't have games on any of those days.
3. When Celtics did have games (11/22/21, 11/24/21, 11/26/21, and 11/28/21) Jaylen played in all of them.

[seancally]

Woj pod today with Bontemps — optimism within the team that the timeline will be closer to 4 weeks, and possibly less.

4 weeks is about the start of Rd 2.

[tazzmaniac]

Doubt he can come back that quick with conditioning and all..that’s why a backup good center is important

Doesn’t the 4-6 week timeline include conditioning usually ? I can’t imagine he won’t start PT until week 6 for example. Should be once the swelling goes down..?

I'd imagine. He should be back in the gym in two weeks or so and from there it will depend how long until he is at full strength. With him only needing the minor not very invasive surgery, it will be more about if there is any lingering pain more than anything.

Either way, this is great news. I know people might be worried about the long-term outlook with him only going for the trim, but I doubt the team or TL would be putting his career in jeopardy by having him take a risk. Sounds like this is probably a best case scenario...all things considered.

I'm worried about his long-term outlook—not because of this particular surgery, but because he has yet to go a full season without a significant injury. Here's a list of his injuries so far in his short career (per foxsports.com):

02/15/2022   Calf
01/01/2022   Toe
11/15/2021   Knee
05/28/2021   Ankle
05/18/2021   Toe
05/09/2021   Foot
05/06/2021   Foot
04/27/2021   Knee
04/15/2021   Knee
02/11/2021   Left Hip
03/09/2020   Back
12/08/2019   Hip
11/16/2019   Right Ankle Soreness
11/13/2019   Ankle
11/01/2019   Left Hip
03/23/2019   Lower Back Contusion
02/12/2019   Back
02/03/2019   Lower Back Soreness
12/27/2018   Groin

No way we can deny that Williams is seriously injury prone, though this season was looking real hopeful 'til the current injury.
Not sure what makes an athlete more susceptible to injury than normal, but I assume it is something with their physiological makeup.

I know there are studies about how emotional stress or the loss of social support can make an athlete more vulnerable to injury than when they are at a more stable social/emotional place in their lives. The link between certain physiological traits of an athlete and their subsequent frequency of injury would be a fascinating topic for some exercise physiology eggheads at the University level to delve into.

NBA players, even young players, get dinged up a lot over the course of an 82-game season.  Here's the list of Jaylen Brown's injuries from FoxSports. 

03/01/2022   Ankle
12/02/2021   Hamstring
11/27/2021   Competition Reconditioning
11/25/2021   Conditioning
11/23/2021   Reconditioning
11/04/2021   Hamstring
10/23/2021   Knee
10/19/2021   Health Protocols
05/02/2021   Wrist
04/21/2021   Shoulder
04/17/2021   Illness
04/10/2021   Knee
04/02/2021   Knee
03/29/2021   Hip
02/27/2021   Knee
02/18/2021   Knee
02/04/2021   Knee
01/09/2021   Health And Safety Protocols
08/18/2020   Right Thigh
08/12/2020   Ankle
03/04/2020   Hamstring
02/11/2020   Calf
02/10/2020   Ankle
02/06/2020   Ankle
01/21/2020   Ankle
01/15/2020   Thumb
12/30/2019   Illness
10/30/2019   Illness
04/08/2019   Low Back Spasms
04/01/2019   Back
12/18/2018   Hand
12/13/2018   Illness
11/24/2018   Back
10/31/2018   Foot
04/29/2018   Sore Right Hamstring
03/08/2018   Head
02/08/2018   Sprained Left Ankle
12/26/2017   Sore Leg
12/21/2017   Left Achilles Soreness
12/06/2017   Right Eye

And Jayson Tatum's injury list. 

12/27/2021   Health Protocols
05/25/2021   Eye
05/16/2021   Ankle
05/14/2021   Ankle
05/02/2021   Undisclosed
04/26/2021   Ankle
04/21/2021   Ankle
04/18/2021   Ankle
04/10/2021   Illness
03/22/2021   Illness
01/09/2021   Health And Safety Protocols
08/12/2020   Ankle
03/02/2020   Illness
01/22/2020   Groin
01/14/2020   Knee
04/08/2019   Shin
03/24/2019   Lower Back Contusion
03/11/2019   Shoulder
01/13/2018   Stiff Knee
11/08/2017   Sore Right Ankle

These lists don't really do much without the associated games missed.  A lot of these weren't even on game days and/or the player played anyway.  And some of these are clearly the same thing.

For instance:

11/27/2021   Competition Reconditioning
11/25/2021   Conditioning
11/23/2021   Reconditioning

1.  All appear to be the same "injury"
2. Celtics didn't have games on any of those days.
3. When Celtics did have games (11/22/21, 11/24/21, 11/26/21, and 11/28/21) Jaylen played in all of them.

That's why I said players get dinged up throughout the long season.  Most entries are of the day-to-day variety which on occasion end up becoming more serious. 

[jpotter33]

Woj pod today with Bontemps — optimism within the team that the timeline will be closer to 4 weeks, and possibly less.

4 weeks is about the start of Rd 2.

https://twitter.com/john_karalis/status/1509652642213027848?s=21&t=Qm41S15vnHTMpfzVk4E8uA

Awesome news. Hopefully it pans out.

[Roy H.]

Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
2 hours ago
“He's walking great and he’s just got a little sleeve on his leg and he's moving great. It's amazing, 2 days post surgery.” Brad Stevens on @Toucherandrich on Robert Williams and his rehab plan.

[Celtics2021]

Woj pod today with Bontemps — optimism within the team that the timeline will be closer to 4 weeks, and possibly less.

4 weeks is about the start of Rd 2.

https://twitter.com/john_karalis/status/1509652642213027848?s=21&t=Qm41S15vnHTMpfzVk4E8uA

Awesome news. Hopefully it pans out.

4 weeks is closer to the end of round 1 given he had his surgery Wednesday.  Especially with the “possibly less” language, it sounds like Rob could have a Willis Reed moment if it’s a tight series.

[liam]

Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
2 hours ago
“He's walking great and he’s just got a little sleeve on his leg and he's moving great. It's amazing, 2 days post surgery.” Brad Stevens on @Toucherandrich on Robert Williams and his rehab plan.

That's crazy. I remember when leg injuries were the beginning of the end for NBA players but now they have surgery and play fine for many years.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
2 hours ago
“He's walking great and he’s just got a little sleeve on his leg and he's moving great. It's amazing, 2 days post surgery.” Brad Stevens on @Toucherandrich on Robert Williams and his rehab plan.

That's crazy. I remember when leg injuries were the beginning of the end for NBA players but now they have surgery and play fine for many years.

If you've had meniscus surgery you know this is possible. The main pain is now resolved, but the inflammation and soreness from the surgery needs to go down.

[libermaniac]

Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
2 hours ago
“He's walking great and he’s just got a little sleeve on his leg and he's moving great. It's amazing, 2 days post surgery.” Brad Stevens on @Toucherandrich on Robert Williams and his rehab plan.

That's crazy. I remember when leg injuries were the beginning of the end for NBA players but now they have surgery and play fine for many years.

If you've had meniscus surgery you know this is possible. The main pain is now resolved, but the inflammation and soreness from the surgery needs to go down.

Yep. This was exactly my experience. My son’s little league opening day was the day after my surgery and I was walking with him around the field with no pain. I did go through rehab and there was pain extending the knee for a couple of months I think but a) I’m
No NBA player and b) I didn’t have access to round the clock treatment either.

Funny story. I was living in LA at the time and had my surgery done at Kerlan-Jobe, who also handled the Dodgers orthopedic surgery. On my post op follow-up, I noticed a whiteboard with their schedule. Grienke, and then me. Quite the letdown after Grienke. 

[pokeKingCurtis]

Chris Forsberg @ChrisForsberg_
2 hours ago
“He's walking great and he’s just got a little sleeve on his leg and he's moving great. It's amazing, 2 days post surgery.” Brad Stevens on @Toucherandrich on Robert Williams and his rehab plan.

That's crazy. I remember when leg injuries were the beginning of the end for NBA players but now they have surgery and play fine for many years.

If you've had meniscus surgery you know this is possible. The main pain is now resolved, but the inflammation and soreness from the surgery needs to go down.

Yep. This was exactly my experience. My son’s little league opening day was the day after my surgery and I was walking with him around the field with no pain. I did go through rehab and there was pain extending the knee for a couple of months I think but a) I’m
No NBA player and b) I didn’t have access to round the clock treatment either.

Funny story. I was living in LA at the time and had my surgery done at Kerlan-Jobe, who also handled the Dodgers orthopedic surgery. On my post op follow-up, I noticed a whiteboard with their schedule. Grienke, and then me. Quite the letdown after Grienke. 

So sounds like this is the opposite of a death sentence, and a fairly common injury to boot