Trade Deadline Rumors

[td450]

Take this with a grain of salt as I’m not too aware of this journalist

Matt Moore The Action Network

The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.

if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.

Disagree

When was the last time Smart scored 30?

Gordon just did it 3 days ago. 38 pts

Gordon is also a late 95 born. Only 25. Smart is 27 already.

It should be noted that getting a good two way power forward is much more difficult than getting a good combo guard

[jambr380]

You'd have to think if we were willing to give up Smart and 2 1sts that an ATL deal with Collins/Bogdan would be more appealing, right? I'm not sure if that's available, but there were reports of their interest in Smart.

This deal also brings us way above the tax, which totally doesn't seem worth it. Is it possible we are sending somebody like Thompson to a 3rd team, somehow acquiring a 1st and salary filler for him, and then sending those pieces to ORL? Allows us to keep one of our future 1sts and still accomplishes what ORL wants...which is way too much, btw.

[Vermont Green]

You'd have to think if we were willing to give up Smart and 2 1sts that an ATL deal with Collins/Bogdan would be more appealing, right? I'm not sure if that's available, but there were reports of their interest in Smart.

This deal also brings us way above the tax, which totally doesn't seem worth it. Is it possible we are sending somebody like Thompson to a 3rd team, somehow acquiring a 1st and salary filler for him, and then sending those pieces to ORL? Allows us to keep one of our future 1sts and still accomplishes what ORL wants...which is way too much, btw.

Good question, what is the better deal:

Collins + Bogdanovic

or

Gordon + Fournier

In the case of Atlanta, Collins is the expiring deal so there is some risk there.  We don't really know what we would have to match.  Bogdanovic locked up but is on a kind of long high $$ contract that may turn out to be a unattractive fairly soon.  We do stay under the tax for this season though which is important I think and I agree that the tax is the big problem with the Orlando trade (unless we send out Kemba instead of Smart).  We either pay tax or have to send out more players.  I don't think the Celtics will do either for Gordon.

[Celtics4ever]

Perk just said on sc Celtics need to trade.  Then ended with...”they traded me”. Lol.  Love perk.  Did not love that trade though.  That was the first mistake danny made in a long continuing list

What did Perk do after leaving here?   I think Ainge got rid of him at the right time but it was cold.

[BMark]

Take this with a grain of salt as I’m not too aware of this journalist

Matt Moore The Action Network

The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.

if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.

Disagree

When was the last time Smart scored 30?

Gordon just did it 3 days ago. 38 pts

Gordon is also a late 95 born. Only 25. Smart is 27 already.

It should be noted that getting a good two way power forward is much more difficult than getting a good combo guard

Also keep in mind that Orlando has a poor record of developing talent.  Look at the players who were drafted by Orlando, left Orlando recently, and became outstanding players, like Oladipo and Tobias Harris.  Gordon may not have developed properly under the Orlando system.

We also need a quick forward with length who can challenge players like KD and Simmons.  Please note I did not say "shut down"  or "contain".

[slamtheking]

You'd have to think if we were willing to give up Smart and 2 1sts that an ATL deal with Collins/Bogdan would be more appealing, right? I'm not sure if that's available, but there were reports of their interest in Smart.

This deal also brings us way above the tax, which totally doesn't seem worth it. Is it possible we are sending somebody like Thompson to a 3rd team, somehow acquiring a 1st and salary filler for him, and then sending those pieces to ORL? Allows us to keep one of our future 1sts and still accomplishes what ORL wants...which is way too much, btw.

Good question, what is the better deal:

Collins + Bogdanovic

or

Gordon + Fournier

In the case of Atlanta, Collins is the expiring deal so there is some risk there.  We don't really know what we would have to match.  Bogdanovic locked up but is on a kind of long high $$ contract that may turn out to be a unattractive fairly soon.  We do stay under the tax for this season though which is important I think and I agree that the tax is the big problem with the Orlando trade (unless we send out Kemba instead of Smart).  We either pay tax or have to send out more players.  I don't think the Celtics will do either for Gordon.

I find the Atlanta deal the more appealing of the two mostly because Collins looks to still have room to improve whereas I think Gordon is pretty much what he's going to be.  The Atlanta deal would be with the idea of trying to get a fourth piece to go with the J's and Kemba whereas Orlando is filling a hole at PF with a good but not great player.

[Sophomore]

Take this with a grain of salt as I’m not too aware of this journalist

Matt Moore The Action Network

The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.

if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.

Disagree

When was the last time Smart scored 30?

Gordon just did it 3 days ago. 38 pts

Gordon is also a late 95 born. Only 25. Smart is 27 already.

It should be noted that getting a good two way power forward is much more difficult than getting a good combo guard

Smart was 1st team all-NBA defense because he’s not a normal combo guard. He’s got flaws, without question, but so does AG.
The two of them have nearly identical TS%, but Smart is a (far) better ballhandler/assist man and Gordon is a better rebounder.

Gordon is upgraded mostly on potential that hasn’t materialized to date.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I have to imagine guarding Brown/Tatum/Gordon is much harder than Smart/Brown/Tatum.  There is always going to be a mismatch

[Who]

I have to imagine guarding Brown/Tatum/Gordon is much harder than Smart/Brown/Tatum.  There is always going to be a mismatch

Do you really want to run your offense through Aaron Gordon?

He has a pretty undeveloped offensive game. He is at his best when he is opportunistic rather than trying to self-create. His efficiency takes a nose-dive when he tries to be a go-to scorer.

There is no mismatch if the player does not have the skill to exploit that physical / athletic differences.

[wdleehi]

Yahoo has put out that the Pacers are listening to offers for Brogdon and Sabonis.   


Are teams looking at what is being asked for and says "we need to be sellers"?

[PhoSita]

I have to imagine guarding Brown/Tatum/Gordon is much harder than Smart/Brown/Tatum.  There is always going to be a mismatch

Do you really want to run your offense through Aaron Gordon?

He has a pretty undeveloped offensive game. He is at his best when he is opportunistic rather than trying to self-create. His efficiency takes a nose-dive when he tries to be a go-to scorer.

There is no mismatch if the player does not have the skill to exploit that physical / athletic differences.

I agree.  Aaron Gordon is in a similar category to Otto Porter / Harrison Barnes / TJ Warren / Tobias Harris, but I would put him at the bottom of that group in terms of offensive ability.

[PhoSita]

Yahoo has put out that the Pacers are listening to offers for Brogdon and Sabonis.   


Are teams looking at what is being asked for and says "we need to be sellers"?

That's probably a good theory, yeah.  I would guess that most of the names being put out there are being floated by their teams just to see if they can get a truly stupendous haul.

Nabbing Sabonis and Brogdon would probably require trading a treasure trove.

[Who]

Yahoo has put out that the Pacers are listening to offers for Brogdon and Sabonis.   


Are teams looking at what is being asked for and says "we need to be sellers"?

Feels a bit like 2008 after the Celtics got KG and the rest of the league got in a panic mode by mid-season. Teams were either desperately trying to trade up to compete (Phoenix, LAL) or giving up and starting to rebuild (Miami).

I am talking about Brooklyn getting Harden alongside Durant and Kyrie and the feeling that the top of both the East and West is locked in.

That many teams are looking at this and saying "we just aren't good enough". "we need to do something". "Do we rebuild or go all-in??".

[Tr1boy]

I have to imagine guarding Brown/Tatum/Gordon is much harder than Smart/Brown/Tatum.  There is always going to be a mismatch

Do you really want to run your offense through Aaron Gordon?

He has a pretty undeveloped offensive game. He is at his best when he is opportunistic rather than trying to self-create. His efficiency takes a nose-dive when he tries to be a go-to scorer.

There is no mismatch if the player does not have the skill to exploit that physical / athletic differences.

He wont be a go to

He just has to fit in. And also will have more room to work with.

Gordon is an underrated facilitator also. Its not like he stands around and likes to set picks and crash the boards

Before he developed his offensive game he was more of an intangible guy plus natural explosiveness, strength and size

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I do think Brogdon would be an ideal fit next to the Js offensively. We still need a quick guard to get over screens defensively though.

Obviously I’d like sabonis too, but it all depends on the price. He’s a guy that does a great job keeping the ball moving in the middle of the floor.