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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #195 on: March 23, 2021, 11:59:31 AM »

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I have to imagine guarding Brown/Tatum/Gordon is much harder than Smart/Brown/Tatum.  There is always going to be a mismatch

I'd prefer Smart/Brown/Tatum/Gordon.  And I think the point of many here is that if we're trading two firsts to get Gordon, that lineup should be in play.

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« Reply #196 on: March 23, 2021, 12:06:19 PM »

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Yahoo has put out that the Pacers are listening to offers for Brogdon and Sabonis.   


Are teams looking at what is being asked for and says "we need to be sellers"?

Feels a bit like 2008 after the Celtics got KG and the rest of the league got in a panic mode by mid-season. Teams were either desperately trying to trade up to compete (Phoenix, LAL) or giving up and starting to rebuild (Miami).

I am talking about Brooklyn getting Harden alongside Durant and Kyrie and the feeling that the top of both the East and West is locked in.

That many teams are looking at this and saying "we just aren't good enough". "we need to do something". "Do we rebuild or go all-in??".


Maybe.


I do hope it helps the team who have the players the Celtics want to move sooner before even better players are  on the market taking the best offers.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #197 on: March 23, 2021, 12:26:41 PM »

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I have to imagine guarding Brown/Tatum/Gordon is much harder than Smart/Brown/Tatum.  There is always going to be a mismatch

I'd prefer Smart/Brown/Tatum/Gordon.  And I think the point of many here is that if we're trading two firsts to get Gordon, that lineup should be in play.

Add either Theis for switchability or Timelord for rim protection and I think that lineup has real defensive potential.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #198 on: March 23, 2021, 01:01:22 PM »

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The Athletic's Shams Charania reports there's a new name on the trade block: Bulls forward Lauri Markkanen.

Several teams have "expressed interest" in Markkanen ahead of Thursday's NBA trade deadline, and Chicago "is listening to potential suitors," Charania reported Tuesday
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #199 on: March 23, 2021, 01:04:37 PM »

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So many guys becoming available that could help the Celtics.   

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #200 on: March 23, 2021, 01:07:30 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)

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« Reply #201 on: March 23, 2021, 01:09:33 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)


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« Reply #202 on: March 23, 2021, 01:12:25 PM »

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‘The is a common belief that Andre Drummond will be going to the Lakers when/if he is bought out’

‘Miami Heat are the front runners for LaMarcus Aldridge’

‘Miami Heat are looking to trade for Kyle Lowry along with 76ers’

‘Brooklyn are interested in Norman Powell’
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #203 on: March 23, 2021, 01:28:42 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)

Or what about a 3 team trade ?

Orlando : Kemba + Bos 2 nd
New Orleans : Smart + Bos 2021 1st pick (or/and eventually one of Langford/nesmith/PP)
Boston : Ball + Fournier + Gordon

++
_ we have a real organisatior at PG who fit with jays timeline in Ball
_ we have a scorer 6th men with Fournier
_ we have our stretch 4 with Gordon
_ we change the pace of the game and that give a PO rotation : Ball-Brown-Tatum-Gordon-TL with still Fournier/PP/Theis/ a vet wing traded for

--
_ Fournier may be a rent as we have to pay probably 20-25M Ball next year.
_ we eat our TE... But whatever we have to eat it at one time or another
_ Loosing Smart. I don't think he is cooked and will show up again in PO
If something like that is possible I would do it.

PS I understood it isn't aa 3 team trade just 2 separate trades


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« Reply #204 on: March 23, 2021, 01:45:26 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)

Or what about a 3 team trade ?

Orlando : Kemba + Bos 2 nd
New Orleans : Smart + Bos 2021 1st pick (or/and eventually one of Langford/nesmith/PP)
Boston : Ball + Fournier + Gordon

++
_ we have a real organisatior at PG who fit with jays timeline in Ball
_ we have a scorer 6th men with Fournier
_ we have our stretch 4 with Gordon
_ we change the pace of the game and that give a PO rotation : Ball-Brown-Tatum-Gordon-TL with still Fournier/PP/Theis/ a vet wing traded for

--
_ Fournier may be a rent as we have to pay probably 20-25M Ball next year.
_ we eat our TE... But whatever we have to eat it at one time or another
_ Loosing Smart. I don't think he is cooked and will show up again in PO
If something like that is possible I would do it.

PS I understood it isn't aa 3 team trade just 2 separate trades
not digging that.  seems like if we're giving up Kemba, Smart, a first and a second, we should be able to come away with at least an all-star player that's a true 3rd top player to put with the J's.  none of Ball, Gordon or Fournier are on that level.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #205 on: March 23, 2021, 01:49:23 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)

Or what about a 3 team trade ?

Orlando : Kemba + Bos 2 nd
New Orleans : Smart + Bos 2021 1st pick (or/and eventually one of Langford/nesmith/PP)
Boston : Ball + Fournier + Gordon

++
_ we have a real organisatior at PG who fit with jays timeline in Ball
_ we have a scorer 6th men with Fournier
_ we have our stretch 4 with Gordon
_ we change the pace of the game and that give a PO rotation : Ball-Brown-Tatum-Gordon-TL with still Fournier/PP/Theis/ a vet wing traded for

--
_ Fournier may be a rent as we have to pay probably 20-25M Ball next year.
_ we eat our TE... But whatever we have to eat it at one time or another
_ Loosing Smart. I don't think he is cooked and will show up again in PO
If something like that is possible I would do it.

PS I understood it isn't aa 3 team trade just 2 separate trades
not digging that.  seems like if we're giving up Kemba, Smart, a first and a second, we should be able to come away with at least an all-star player that's a true 3rd top player to put with the J's.  none of Ball, Gordon or Fournier are on that level.
To continue that thought

... Locking ourselves into a 50-55 win regular season team that isn't good enough to beat any of the top teams in the playoffs. A 2nd round and out ball club.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #206 on: March 23, 2021, 02:06:06 PM »

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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #207 on: March 23, 2021, 02:13:37 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)

Or what about a 3 team trade ?

Orlando : Kemba + Bos 2 nd
New Orleans : Smart + Bos 2021 1st pick (or/and eventually one of Langford/nesmith/PP)
Boston : Ball + Fournier + Gordon

++
_ we have a real organisatior at PG who fit with jays timeline in Ball
_ we have a scorer 6th men with Fournier
_ we have our stretch 4 with Gordon
_ we change the pace of the game and that give a PO rotation : Ball-Brown-Tatum-Gordon-TL with still Fournier/PP/Theis/ a vet wing traded for

--
_ Fournier may be a rent as we have to pay probably 20-25M Ball next year.
_ we eat our TE... But whatever we have to eat it at one time or another
_ Loosing Smart. I don't think he is cooked and will show up again in PO
If something like that is possible I would do it.

PS I understood it isn't aa 3 team trade just 2 separate trades
not digging that.  seems like if we're giving up Kemba, Smart, a first and a second, we should be able to come away with at least an all-star player that's a true 3rd top player to put with the J's.  none of Ball, Gordon or Fournier are on that level.
To continue that thought

... Locking ourselves into a 50-55 win regular season team that isn't good enough to beat any of the top teams in the playoffs. A 2nd round and out ball club.
It’s not locking us in, it’s acquiring assets.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #208 on: March 23, 2021, 02:14:59 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)

Or what about a 3 team trade ?

Orlando : Kemba + Bos 2 nd
New Orleans : Smart + Bos 2021 1st pick (or/and eventually one of Langford/nesmith/PP)
Boston : Ball + Fournier + Gordon

++
_ we have a real organisatior at PG who fit with jays timeline in Ball
_ we have a scorer 6th men with Fournier
_ we have our stretch 4 with Gordon
_ we change the pace of the game and that give a PO rotation : Ball-Brown-Tatum-Gordon-TL with still Fournier/PP/Theis/ a vet wing traded for

--
_ Fournier may be a rent as we have to pay probably 20-25M Ball next year.
_ we eat our TE... But whatever we have to eat it at one time or another
_ Loosing Smart. I don't think he is cooked and will show up again in PO
If something like that is possible I would do it.

PS I understood it isn't aa 3 team trade just 2 separate trades
not digging that.  seems like if we're giving up Kemba, Smart, a first and a second, we should be able to come away with at least an all-star player that's a true 3rd top player to put with the J's.  none of Ball, Gordon or Fournier are on that level.
To continue that thought

... Locking ourselves into a 50-55 win regular season team that isn't good enough to beat any of the top teams in the playoffs. A 2nd round and out ball club.

I'll just ask the question that I usually ask about these kind of proposals: Why would Orlando want a 30 year old player with one of the worst contracts in the NBA (2 and 1/2 more years) who is performing erratically and has an injury that does not let him play back to back?

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #209 on: March 23, 2021, 02:20:47 PM »

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Quote from: David Aldridge, Sam Amick, Joe Vardon, John Hollinger, Shams Charania, The Athletic NBA Staff @ The Athletic
Just a little more on the Aaron Gordon trade front here. An NBA executive, watching from afar when it comes to the Gordon sweepstakes, says he’s not the only name the Celtics are chasing. If he was, the deal would be done. Executing deals with Boston can be tricky. Offers are often made out of Beantown for players not currently on the Celtics’ roster (meaning a third team has to get involved), which can frustrate colleagues looking to make a big deal.
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021/03/23/nba-trade-deadline-week-2021-live-blog-updates-news-and-observations-from-the-athletics-insiders/?source=twitterhq

3-way for Barnes? ::)

Or what about a 3 team trade ?

Orlando : Kemba + Bos 2 nd
New Orleans : Smart + Bos 2021 1st pick (or/and eventually one of Langford/nesmith/PP)
Boston : Ball + Fournier + Gordon

++
_ we have a real organisatior at PG who fit with jays timeline in Ball
_ we have a scorer 6th men with Fournier
_ we have our stretch 4 with Gordon
_ we change the pace of the game and that give a PO rotation : Ball-Brown-Tatum-Gordon-TL with still Fournier/PP/Theis/ a vet wing traded for

--
_ Fournier may be a rent as we have to pay probably 20-25M Ball next year.
_ we eat our TE... But whatever we have to eat it at one time or another
_ Loosing Smart. I don't think he is cooked and will show up again in PO
If something like that is possible I would do it.

PS I understood it isn't aa 3 team trade just 2 separate trades
not digging that.  seems like if we're giving up Kemba, Smart, a first and a second, we should be able to come away with at least an all-star player that's a true 3rd top player to put with the J's.  none of Ball, Gordon or Fournier are on that level.
To continue that thought

... Locking ourselves into a 50-55 win regular season team that isn't good enough to beat any of the top teams in the playoffs. A 2nd round and out ball club.

You speak like all this player will still be at this level. Not sure Kemba is or will ever be an all star level guy ever. Not sure if he fits good with this team. I love Smart but his BBIQ is much discutable and some signs seem to show he isn't that good on this team. Are you sure next year when/if KAT or Beal become available, Kemba or expiring Smart would have better value than Ball and Gordon ? Not sure.
Ball is 23, in progress, 198cm, good defensor, we lack of a real creative gard. He may progress with this role in this environment. Fournier may be a valuable 6th men, Gordon, I don't like much, but he will balance our team. We replace clearly Tatum at 3 and Brown at 2.
 All this players seems more complementary to Jays and add a little depth, that we lack. We still can trade later with them or other young assets who may progress and become valuable (PP, Timelord, Nesmith).But maybe we don't need a big 3, just a big 2 with a complemntary talented, defensive team. The role would be more clear. The youth may turn ourself to our real window, maybe as soon as next year. Maybe I overestimate Ball, Tatum and Brown. Time will tell.