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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #240 on: March 24, 2021, 09:57:54 AM »

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If Danny could get that for Kemba, I'd do it.  pushes our not-ready-for-primetime players back to the end of the bench.  cut Edwards and Green if they don't go out in the deal

I would get rid of Grant too, his ceiling is finite and it is not good.  We are 7-2 when he does not play this season.   I think depth is a our main issue.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #241 on: March 24, 2021, 10:36:04 AM »

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Saw this idea on B/R from Zach Buckley.  It's a three way between the C's, Pacers, and Raptors.

https://www.inquisitr.com/6485846/nba-rumors-proposed-three-way-blockbuster-would-involve-kyle-low

Not sure I'm a fan, Lowry is four years older than Kemba although I believe it would allow us movement without using the TPE.  Lowry is a UFA at the end of the year, which might assist in getting Beal too.  IDK, I don't see it comin to fruition, but it was an interesting read.

Pretty fair trade IMO.  Would definitely make us more competitive short term.  Kyle Lowry and Smart back court pretty awesome. Getting rid of Kemba contract the real selling point.  Giving Langford to Pacers would seem to take the sting out of taking on Kemba contract.
I don't like it for the C's, certainly don't agree with the writer's logic.

Lowry is unlikely to stay after this season.  eyes seems to be set on getting to Philly.  not trading Kemba for a partial season of Lowry.  I do think Lowry would help this team in terms of bringing more fire/competitiveness than Kemba does.  Baynes isn't what he was during his tour with Boston and had injury issues.  Loved what he did for us on the court but he doesn't really 'solve' anything.  he would be a bigger body than Thompson against the few big centers in the game but he doesn't rack up the big rebounding games like Thompson has been doing lately.   Not kicking in Romeo and picks either to make this happen

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #242 on: March 24, 2021, 10:39:51 AM »

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If Danny could get that for Kemba, I'd do it.  pushes our not-ready-for-primetime players back to the end of the bench.  cut Edwards and Green if they don't go out in the deal

I would get rid of Grant too, his ceiling is finite and it is not good.  We are 7-2 when he does not play this season.   I think depth is a our main issue.
he played much better as a rookie.  not sure why the drop off this season but not ready to write him off just to clear a roster spot - particularly with him still on his rookie deal.  would like to see what he does next season after training camp.  not saying I wouldn't include him in a deal for a better player but he's not someone I'd cut just for roster space.  Edwards and Green are a different story

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #243 on: March 24, 2021, 10:49:44 AM »

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If Danny could get that for Kemba, I'd do it.  pushes our not-ready-for-primetime players back to the end of the bench.  cut Edwards and Green if they don't go out in the deal

I would get rid of Grant too, his ceiling is finite and it is not good.  We are 7-2 when he does not play this season.   I think depth is a our main issue.
he played much better as a rookie.  not sure why the drop off this season but not ready to write him off just to clear a roster spot - particularly with him still on his rookie deal.  would like to see what he does next season after training camp.  not saying I wouldn't include him in a deal for a better player but he's not someone I'd cut just for roster space.  Edwards and Green are a different story

Is it less minutes at the center position?

This is not to say he is preferred option at center. Just that it is part of what made him useful last year. Being the only big man who could pass and make decisions on the ball consistently to enable ball movement on those nights when ball movement sucked and CBS had to try something creative to get it going. Grant Williams sometimes succeeded in doing that. He also succeeded in giving more quickness / perimeter defense at center position than slower bigs like Kanter on nights where that was needed.

However, this season with Theis, TT and Rob Williams ... there has been less need for minutes of Grant Williams at center. So he has missed out on those useful minutes from last season and is instead playing solely as a PF and the results haven't been great.

As a PF, Grant Williams is way below average as a shooter, ball-handler and passer. He is a stationary figure. Too slow, unathletic and low-skilled to drive the ball against opposing defenses. To unable to probe defenses with his ball-handling / passing against scrambling team D as the ball moves to the weakside. And too limited a shooter (low volume) to punish scrambling team D. So he bails out opposing Team D by not punishing them. He simply is not skilled enough to be a PF full time.

He is a PF/C and nobody with good options at C will want to use him as a C because he is so small and gives no rim protection. And his value at PF is minimal because of his low skill level and lack of quickness.

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I keep thinking about Ibaka at the PF position and how he had to transition away from the PF position over the last 5 years or so and it was because PFs were asked to me more than a stand still shooter. To be able to handle the ball and pass the ball. Ibaka couldn't do it.

So even though Ibaka could hit the 3 at a reasonable clip and the long 2 at a good clip, he was still a below average offensive player because he could not pass the ball or drive the ball.

And with the defensive responsibilities shifting to more perimeter D and less interior D, his shot-blocking was less valuable on defense as well. So Ibaka had to shift to center -- which unfortunately for him he fought for several years before his legs started to go which made both him and his teams less successful.

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To play the PF position nowadays you have to either be a SF or a SF/PF.

Grant Williams is not that. He is a PF/C in the mold of Glen Davis. Not a SF/PF like PJ Tucker.

And the league is no longer built in way that makes players of that ilk valuable. So Grant Williams has a long and steady climb ahead of him in terms of skill-level to become playable as a rotation player at PF ...

... and even then, it is questionable how good he can become because of his lack of quickness and ability to probe defenses on the drive + his limited defensive quickness in covering quicker more mobile SFs/PFs on the other end of the floor.

So are we investing in a guy who will take years of hard work to develop enough offensive skill to merely be passable on offense & defense but never good enough to be good (nevermind excel) on either end of the floor?

Is this really a good investment?

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #244 on: March 24, 2021, 11:47:25 AM »

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If Danny could get that for Kemba, I'd do it.  pushes our not-ready-for-primetime players back to the end of the bench.  cut Edwards and Green if they don't go out in the deal

I would get rid of Grant too, his ceiling is finite and it is not good.  We are 7-2 when he does not play this season.   I think depth is a our main issue.
he played much better as a rookie.  not sure why the drop off this season but not ready to write him off just to clear a roster spot - particularly with him still on his rookie deal.  would like to see what he does next season after training camp.  not saying I wouldn't include him in a deal for a better player but he's not someone I'd cut just for roster space.  Edwards and Green are a different story

Is it less minutes at the center position?

This is not to say he is preferred option at center. Just that it is part of what made him useful last year. Being the only big man who could pass and make decisions on the ball consistently to enable ball movement on those nights when ball movement sucked and CBS had to try something creative to get it going. Grant Williams sometimes succeeded in doing that. He also succeeded in giving more quickness / perimeter defense at center position than slower bigs like Kanter on nights where that was needed.

However, this season with Theis, TT and Rob Williams ... there has been less need for minutes of Grant Williams at center. So he has missed out on those useful minutes from last season and is instead playing solely as a PF and the results haven't been great.

As a PF, Grant Williams is way below average as a shooter, ball-handler and passer. He is a stationary figure. Too slow, unathletic and low-skilled to drive the ball against opposing defenses. To unable to probe defenses with his ball-handling / passing against scrambling team D as the ball moves to the weakside. And too limited a shooter (low volume) to punish scrambling team D. So he bails out opposing Team D by not punishing them. He simply is not skilled enough to be a PF full time.

He is a PF/C and nobody with good options at C will want to use him as a C because he is so small and gives no rim protection. And his value at PF is minimal because of his low skill level and lack of quickness.

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I keep thinking about Ibaka at the PF position and how he had to transition away from the PF position over the last 5 years or so and it was because PFs were asked to me more than a stand still shooter. To be able to handle the ball and pass the ball. Ibaka couldn't do it.

So even though Ibaka could hit the 3 at a reasonable clip and the long 2 at a good clip, he was still a below average offensive player because he could not pass the ball or drive the ball.

And with the defensive responsibilities shifting to more perimeter D and less interior D, his shot-blocking was less valuable on defense as well. So Ibaka had to shift to center -- which unfortunately for him he fought for several years before his legs started to go which made both him and his teams less successful.

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To play the PF position nowadays you have to either be a SF or a SF/PF.

Grant Williams is not that. He is a PF/C in the mold of Glen Davis. Not a SF/PF like PJ Tucker.

And the league is no longer built in way that makes players of that ilk valuable. So Grant Williams has a long and steady climb ahead of him in terms of skill-level to become playable as a rotation player at PF ...

... and even then, it is questionable how good he can become because of his lack of quickness and ability to probe defenses on the drive + his limited defensive quickness in covering quicker more mobile SFs/PFs on the other end of the floor.

So are we investing in a guy who will take years of hard work to develop enough offensive skill to merely be passable on offense & defense but never good enough to be good (nevermind excel) on either end of the floor?

Is this really a good investment?

If he is better as a center would it make sense if Thompson is traded away you keep Grant around as a 3rd string center, and take away playing time as a PF?  If we had Gordon on board we wouldn’t need Grant at PF, but if Theis or R Williams gets hurt or in foul trouble Grant could be useful as a 3rd string PF. Unless if we are ready for Tacko as a 3rd string center.  Lol

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #245 on: March 24, 2021, 12:06:34 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer

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« Reply #246 on: March 24, 2021, 12:10:41 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer
There have been moves, but most of them were minor ones.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-nba-trade-tracker

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #247 on: March 24, 2021, 12:13:51 PM »

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I missed the Kabengele trade.  That actually frees up some room below the hard cap line for the Clippers so they have more wiggle room on trades now.   
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #248 on: March 24, 2021, 12:19:14 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer
There have been moves, but most of them were minor ones.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-nba-trade-tracker

Naw...not those


Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #249 on: March 24, 2021, 12:22:38 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer
There have been moves, but most of them were minor ones.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-nba-trade-tracker

Naw...not those

Deadline isn't until tomorrow.  From a leverage standpoint, it's typically a lot better to wait til you're closer to the deadline with "who blinks first" negotiations.


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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #250 on: March 24, 2021, 12:24:01 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer
There have been moves, but most of them were minor ones.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-nba-trade-tracker

Naw...not those

Deadline isn't until tomorrow.  From a leverage standpoint, it's typically a lot better to wait til you're closer to the deadline with "who blinks first" negotiations.


I blame Houston for trading Harden way to early.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #251 on: March 24, 2021, 12:25:36 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer
There have been moves, but most of them were minor ones.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-nba-trade-tracker

Naw...not those

Deadline isn't until tomorrow.  From a leverage standpoint, it's typically a lot better to wait til you're closer to the deadline with "who blinks first" negotiations.


I blame Houston for trading Harden way to early.
they waited then he wouldn't be the MVP.  Now he might very well be.
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« Reply #252 on: March 24, 2021, 12:26:56 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer
There have been moves, but most of them were minor ones.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-nba-trade-tracker

Naw...not those

Deadline isn't until tomorrow.  From a leverage standpoint, it's typically a lot better to wait til you're closer to the deadline with "who blinks first" negotiations.


I blame Houston for trading Harden way to early.

I think HOU realized that they a) wanted to rid themselves of the headache as soon as possible & b) they were most likely to get screwed if they kept waiting.


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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #253 on: March 24, 2021, 12:31:46 PM »

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Will this be the dullest trade deadline?

Zero moves so far. Not even an appetizer
There have been moves, but most of them were minor ones.

https://www.nba.com/news/2020-21-nba-trade-tracker

Naw...not those

Deadline isn't until tomorrow.  From a leverage standpoint, it's typically a lot better to wait til you're closer to the deadline with "who blinks first" negotiations.


I blame Houston for trading Harden way to early.
they waited then he wouldn't be the MVP.  Now he might very well be.

i'm kind of rooting for that now, just because it's such a bizarre turn of events. a guy quits on his team, goes to another team where he's not expected to be the best player, it's not clear exactly where he'll fit in, and yet due to circumstances becomes the savior of that team and maybe the mvp of the league. and i don't even like harden.

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« Reply #254 on: March 24, 2021, 12:36:40 PM »

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If Danny could get that for Kemba, I'd do it.  pushes our not-ready-for-primetime players back to the end of the bench.  cut Edwards and Green if they don't go out in the deal

I would get rid of Grant too, his ceiling is finite and it is not good.  We are 7-2 when he does not play this season.   I think depth is a our main issue.

What I don't understand is aren't there upgrades available for nothing?  For example, wouldn't we be better off with IT than Carsen Edwards?