Trade Deadline Rumors

[Tr1boy]

These are the trades I would entertain

To Celtics: Bogdonovic, Collins
To Hawks:  Smart, Theis

To Bulls: Walker, 1st round pick
To Celtics: Markkanen, Porter Jr., 2nd round pick

Post trade lineup

TT
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Bogdonovic

TL
Markkanen
Porter Jr.
Langford/Nesmith
Pritchard

Why would the Bulls do that trade?

Because they rumor is that, they want to trade Markkanen

And Celtics could use the big rifle man

[Tr1boy]

These are the trades I would entertain

To Celtics: Bogdonovic, Collins
To Hawks:  Smart, Theis

To Bulls: Walker, 1st round pick
To Celtics: Markkanen, Porter Jr., 2nd round pick

Post trade lineup

TT
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Bogdonovic

TL
Markkanen
Porter Jr.
Langford/Nesmith
Pritchard

Why would the Bulls do that trade?

I thought the better question is why is Bogdanovich the starting PG, but I'll look for his reply to you too.  (I actually think it's not completely out there, and that Kemba has positive value to the Bulls.)

why not?

he is a combo guard that has pretty good handles and can shoot

he is a poor fit with the Hawks.  Not even sure why they signed him.  Maybe went trigger happy on offseason spending spree

but I would love to get Bogdonovic.

[Roy H.]

Since I like day-dreaming...  How far could this team go?

Collins / Timelord / Thompson
Tatum / Williams
Brown / Nesmith
Bogs / Langford
Kemba / Teague / Pritchard

I’d love to get Dunn in any trade to help out with wing defense.

[Celtics2021]

These are the trades I would entertain

To Celtics: Bogdonovic, Collins
To Hawks:  Smart, Theis

To Bulls: Walker, 1st round pick
To Celtics: Markkanen, Porter Jr., 2nd round pick

Post trade lineup

TT
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Bogdonovic

TL
Markkanen
Porter Jr.
Langford/Nesmith
Pritchard

Why would the Bulls do that trade?

I thought the better question is why is Bogdanovich the starting PG, but I'll look for his reply to you too.  (I actually think it's not completely out there, and that Kemba has positive value to the Bulls.)

why not?

he is a combo guard that has pretty good handles and can shoot

he is a poor fit with the Hawks.  Not even sure why they signed him.  Maybe went trigger happy on offseason spending spree

but I would love to get Bogdonovic.

Kemba and Smart average 7.3 and 8.6 assists per 100.  Bogdo's career high is 6.4 per 100 (two years ago).  So you're replacing two better combo guards with one lesser version, and going back to a two-big lineup with lesser passers in Collins and Thompson.  And you aren't concerned that ball movement, which is a problem the Celtics obviously suffer from, will get worse?

[mqtcelticsfan]

Boy do I ever hate the idea of trading Smart in a deal for Collins.

[Tr1boy]

These are the trades I would entertain

To Celtics: Bogdonovic, Collins
To Hawks:  Smart, Theis

To Bulls: Walker, 1st round pick
To Celtics: Markkanen, Porter Jr., 2nd round pick

Post trade lineup

TT
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Bogdonovic

TL
Markkanen
Porter Jr.
Langford/Nesmith
Pritchard

Why would the Bulls do that trade?

I thought the better question is why is Bogdanovich the starting PG, but I'll look for his reply to you too.  (I actually think it's not completely out there, and that Kemba has positive value to the Bulls.)

why not?

he is a combo guard that has pretty good handles and can shoot

he is a poor fit with the Hawks.  Not even sure why they signed him.  Maybe went trigger happy on offseason spending spree

but I would love to get Bogdonovic.

Kemba and Smart average 7.3 and 8.6 assists per 100.  Bogdo's career high is 6.4 per 100 (two years ago).  So you're replacing two better combo guards with one lesser version, and going back to a two-big lineup with lesser passers in Collins and Thompson.  And you aren't concerned that ball movement, which is a problem the Celtics obviously suffer from, will get worse?

No

And you forgot to add that our defense should be better due to increase in size/length

Shooting improves also

Btw my proposal also brings in Markkanen and Porter jr.   

The bench would be better equipped.    Brad has options to go with several different options in the 4th, depending who is hot

[Tr1boy]

Boy do I ever hate the idea of trading Smart in a deal for Collins.

Smart D may never be the same after the injury he sustained/scare

Also will Danny fork out a raise for Smart who can't push himself hard on D + unreliable offense?

If Hawks really want Smart for Collins.   I would take that trade in a blink of an eye

[NKY fan]

Ok Danny,
 just do this and be done for the trade deadline:

smart + Thompson + Grant
for Lowry

And Kemba + Nesmith + Romeo + 21 FRP
 For Gordon + Fournier + Ross
 Line up for the playoffs:
KL/JB/JT/AG/DT
Second unit - PP/EF//TR/TL

[footey]

Two unrelated thoughts:

1. If given a choice, would Danny rather move Romeo or Nesmith in a trade package for Aaron Gordon?  I think he'd prefer to keep Nesmith because he projects as a better shooter, and has shown enough energy and length on defense to mitigate Romeo's advantages.  Gordon is not a lights out shooter, so Danny will want to keep as much (theoretical) shooting as possible.

2. If we are going to trade for Collins (a move I don't like, but can't deny the rumors), I suspect that Danny will consider moving Rob (not to ATL, but somewhere).  Love Rob, have never proposed including him in any trade package, but I just don't see him and Collins playing on the floor together.  Zach Lowe ran a great article this morning on ESPN regarding positional limits of Collins, and pretty much says what I have been saying all along: Collins is a 4/5, not a guy who can defend wings.  (that is why he feels Barnes and Gordon, who are 3/4s, will have more trade value than Collins, although it could have as much or more to do with his RFA status). I just can't envision Collins and Rob Willams on the floor together (but hey, it seems to be working with him and Capella together lately, so maybe it can work here).

Crazy season!!!

I think he would keep Romeo, because Romeo has the higher ceiling, and if you're left with the option of keeping one of two players who aren't likely to help you this year, then you keep the best player available, same as if you're drafting.  While I don't disagree that we could use some bench shooting, Nesmith hasn't yet shown himself to be that player, so you don't make a decision assuming that he becomes that player literally this week.

I do agree that if the Celtics are truly interested in Collins that they should trade Time Lord.  They aren't going to work on the floor any better together than Time Lord and Theis, or Time Lord and Thompson.  Maybe there's some series of deals where the Celtics acquire assets for TL and one of Thompson or Theis, and repackage those assets as the primary compensation for Collins.  As it stands, our roster construction is already inefficient, as we have seven reliable players (and that's being a little kind to Kemba), and three of them (the bigs) can't be on the court together.  Acquiring another such player in Collins without moving at least two of the ones we already have will only further imbalance the roster.

Romeo being held out again. It’s been over 10 days since his preCOVID availability on 3/10 v Nets. Being held out before trade deadline I bet. I think he’s a goner, unless they trade Smart. He’d be a good replacement for Smart.

[RJ87]

Two unrelated thoughts:

1. If given a choice, would Danny rather move Romeo or Nesmith in a trade package for Aaron Gordon?  I think he'd prefer to keep Nesmith because he projects as a better shooter, and has shown enough energy and length on defense to mitigate Romeo's advantages.  Gordon is not a lights out shooter, so Danny will want to keep as much (theoretical) shooting as possible.

2. If we are going to trade for Collins (a move I don't like, but can't deny the rumors), I suspect that Danny will consider moving Rob (not to ATL, but somewhere).  Love Rob, have never proposed including him in any trade package, but I just don't see him and Collins playing on the floor together.  Zach Lowe ran a great article this morning on ESPN regarding positional limits of Collins, and pretty much says what I have been saying all along: Collins is a 4/5, not a guy who can defend wings.  (that is why he feels Barnes and Gordon, who are 3/4s, will have more trade value than Collins, although it could have as much or more to do with his RFA status). I just can't envision Collins and Rob Willams on the floor together (but hey, it seems to be working with him and Capella together lately, so maybe it can work here).

Crazy season!!!

I think he would keep Romeo, because Romeo has the higher ceiling, and if you're left with the option of keeping one of two players who aren't likely to help you this year, then you keep the best player available, same as if you're drafting.  While I don't disagree that we could use some bench shooting, Nesmith hasn't yet shown himself to be that player, so you don't make a decision assuming that he becomes that player literally this week.

I do agree that if the Celtics are truly interested in Collins that they should trade Time Lord.  They aren't going to work on the floor any better together than Time Lord and Theis, or Time Lord and Thompson.  Maybe there's some series of deals where the Celtics acquire assets for TL and one of Thompson or Theis, and repackage those assets as the primary compensation for Collins.  As it stands, our roster construction is already inefficient, as we have seven reliable players (and that's being a little kind to Kemba), and three of them (the bigs) can't be on the court together.  Acquiring another such player in Collins without moving at least two of the ones we already have will only further imbalance the roster.

Romeo being held out again. It’s been over 10 days since his preCOVID availability on 3/10 v Nets. Being held out before trade deadline I bet. I think he’s a goner, unless they trade Smart. He’d be a good replacement for Smart.

Or... Romeo tested positive for Covid.

Makes more sense to get him on the court to remind teams that he still exists.

[Celtics2021]

Two unrelated thoughts:

1. If given a choice, would Danny rather move Romeo or Nesmith in a trade package for Aaron Gordon?  I think he'd prefer to keep Nesmith because he projects as a better shooter, and has shown enough energy and length on defense to mitigate Romeo's advantages.  Gordon is not a lights out shooter, so Danny will want to keep as much (theoretical) shooting as possible.

2. If we are going to trade for Collins (a move I don't like, but can't deny the rumors), I suspect that Danny will consider moving Rob (not to ATL, but somewhere).  Love Rob, have never proposed including him in any trade package, but I just don't see him and Collins playing on the floor together.  Zach Lowe ran a great article this morning on ESPN regarding positional limits of Collins, and pretty much says what I have been saying all along: Collins is a 4/5, not a guy who can defend wings.  (that is why he feels Barnes and Gordon, who are 3/4s, will have more trade value than Collins, although it could have as much or more to do with his RFA status). I just can't envision Collins and Rob Willams on the floor together (but hey, it seems to be working with him and Capella together lately, so maybe it can work here).

Crazy season!!!

I think he would keep Romeo, because Romeo has the higher ceiling, and if you're left with the option of keeping one of two players who aren't likely to help you this year, then you keep the best player available, same as if you're drafting.  While I don't disagree that we could use some bench shooting, Nesmith hasn't yet shown himself to be that player, so you don't make a decision assuming that he becomes that player literally this week.

I do agree that if the Celtics are truly interested in Collins that they should trade Time Lord.  They aren't going to work on the floor any better together than Time Lord and Theis, or Time Lord and Thompson.  Maybe there's some series of deals where the Celtics acquire assets for TL and one of Thompson or Theis, and repackage those assets as the primary compensation for Collins.  As it stands, our roster construction is already inefficient, as we have seven reliable players (and that's being a little kind to Kemba), and three of them (the bigs) can't be on the court together.  Acquiring another such player in Collins without moving at least two of the ones we already have will only further imbalance the roster.

Romeo being held out again. It’s been over 10 days since his preCOVID availability on 3/10 v Nets. Being held out before trade deadline I bet. I think he’s a goner, unless they trade Smart. He’d be a good replacement for Smart.

I think he's being held out because he actually got Covid and isn't ready to return yet, as opposed to merely having exposure.  Testing positive requires, at a minimum, 10 days of being held out after first testing positive, and two days of monitored exercise to make sure there are no aftereffects.  I'm betting he hasn't started that post-Covid monitoring yet.

[Tr1boy]

we will see what happens between now and Wednesday

If anybody will be sat out

Or knowing how many times Danny has stated he likes this team on T&R....  If Celtics beat Bucks on Wednesday

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Danny does nothing

Danny hasn't made a mid season trade in 5 or 6 years now.  2nd longest streak next to Spurs.

I guess Pops has no time/patience to acclimate a new player mid season into his complex system

[gift]

Boy do I ever hate the idea of trading Smart in a deal for Collins.

Smart D may never be the same after the injury he sustained/scare

Also will Danny fork out a raise for Smart who can't push himself hard on D + unreliable offense?

If Hawks really want Smart for Collins.   I would take that trade in a blink of an eye

And unfortunately good individual defense is having less and less of an impact on nba games.

[Tr1boy]

Boy do I ever hate the idea of trading Smart in a deal for Collins.

Smart D may never be the same after the injury he sustained/scare

Also will Danny fork out a raise for Smart who can't push himself hard on D + unreliable offense?

If Hawks really want Smart for Collins.   I would take that trade in a blink of an eye

And unfortunately good individual defense is having less and less of an impact on nba games.

exactly

Pat Beverly looks like a bystander these days.   Lowry gets a technical almost every game because refs won't give him a break on the D end ... lol

[Who]

Two unrelated thoughts:

1. If given a choice, would Danny rather move Romeo or Nesmith in a trade package for Aaron Gordon?  I think he'd prefer to keep Nesmith because he projects as a better shooter, and has shown enough energy and length on defense to mitigate Romeo's advantages.  Gordon is not a lights out shooter, so Danny will want to keep as much (theoretical) shooting as possible.

Yeah, I'm with you. Keep Nesmith over Langford if Ainge has the choice. Not just because of the shooting advantages but also the injury problems Langford has had. Too many injuries. I am worried about his capacity to stay healthy.

2. If we are going to trade for Collins (a move I don't like, but can't deny the rumors), I suspect that Danny will consider moving Rob (not to ATL, but somewhere).  Love Rob, have never proposed including him in any trade package, but I just don't see him and Collins playing on the floor together.  Zach Lowe ran a great article this morning on ESPN regarding positional limits of Collins, and pretty much says what I have been saying all along: Collins is a 4/5, not a guy who can defend wings.  (that is why he feels Barnes and Gordon, who are 3/4s, will have more trade value than Collins, although it could have as much or more to do with his RFA status). I just can't envision Collins and Rob Willams on the floor together (but hey, it seems to be working with him and Capella together lately, so maybe it can work here).

I don't like considering John Collins a 4/5. I regard him as an out and out 4 who should play the 4 next to a stretch 5. So I agree with you about the problematic fit between him and Rob Williams.

But the reason why I would quibble with the description by Zach Lowe of John Collins as a 4/5 is because Collins does not defend the interior well enough to be the last line of the defense. So he is ill-suited to playing prolonged minutes there.

I feel like there is a growing area of interior 4s / perimeter 5s combinations in the league that are being ignored because some people (like Zach Lowe) want to describe them as 4/5s instead of out and out 4s who need a stretch 5 rather than an interior 5 next to them. Zion Williamson is another one of these players who suffers from this with Steven Adams (interior big) instead of being played alongside a perimeter 5.

John Collins is an out and out 4 who has an inside-outside game but needs interior space available to capitalize on his interior scoring capabilities - and to do that, he needs a 5 who helps create that space for him by being able to play on the perimeter. That does not make Collins a 5. It makes him a 4 who needs a stretch 5 next to him.