Trade Deadline Rumors

[wdleehi]

Is Aaron Gordon any good though?  I had high hopes for him when he was drafted but he seems more interested in being Tobias Harris than being Shane Battier, despite the latter being a much more valuable and natural type of role for him.

Has been on a team that would allow him to play that 4th option type of role?

[todd_days_41]

Keith Smith tweeted his best guess for Gordon’s price tag is 2 firsts and a young player. If the Celtics can get him for 2 firsts and Nesmith or Langford I’d be p---ed if they didn’t do that deal. I think he’s a perfect fit.

I have a sinking feeling that a Gordon deal is gonna be killed because we wouldn't include Romeo Langford or something. And I'm gonna be livid if that happens.

 

Of course do the Celtics 1st round picks or young players have the same value as others?

I mean if GS offers the T-wolves first, their first and Oubre (and cap filler), can the Celtics beat that?

Seems like a serious overpay. That Minny pick is unprotected next year, I think. And they’re the T Wolves.

[td450]

Keith Smith tweeted his best guess for Gordon’s price tag is 2 firsts and a young player. If the Celtics can get him for 2 firsts and Nesmith or Langford I’d be p---ed if they didn’t do that deal. I think he’s a perfect fit.

I have a sinking feeling that a Gordon deal is gonna be killed because we wouldn't include Romeo Langford or something. And I'm gonna be livid if that happens.

If the C's believe in their young guys that much, that means they've decided 3 years from now is the more viable window. Then we really should be shedding Kemba Walker and Tristan Thompson. The idea that we have so much talent we can have it both ways is no longer realistic.

[footey]

Two unrelated thoughts:

1. If given a choice, would Danny rather move Romeo or Nesmith in a trade package for Aaron Gordon?  I think he'd prefer to keep Nesmith because he projects as a better shooter, and has shown enough energy and length on defense to mitigate Romeo's advantages.  Gordon is not a lights out shooter, so Danny will want to keep as much (theoretical) shooting as possible.

2. If we are going to trade for Collins (a move I don't like, but can't deny the rumors), I suspect that Danny will consider moving Rob (not to ATL, but somewhere).  Love Rob, have never proposed including him in any trade package, but I just don't see him and Collins playing on the floor together.  Zach Lowe ran a great article this morning on ESPN regarding positional limits of Collins, and pretty much says what I have been saying all along: Collins is a 4/5, not a guy who can defend wings.  (that is why he feels Barnes and Gordon, who are 3/4s, will have more trade value than Collins, although it could have as much or more to do with his RFA status). I just can't envision Collins and Rob Willams on the floor together (but hey, it seems to be working with him and Capella together lately, so maybe it can work here).

Crazy season!!!

[Roy H.]

Is Aaron Gordon any good though?  I had high hopes for him when he was drafted but he seems more interested in being Tobias Harris than being Shane Battier, despite the latter being a much more valuable and natural type of role for him.

Has been on a team that would allow him to play that 4th option type of role?

Is any 4th option worth giving up multiple firsts and recent lottery picks for?

[PhoSita]

Is Aaron Gordon any good though?  I had high hopes for him when he was drafted but he seems more interested in being Tobias Harris than being Shane Battier, despite the latter being a much more valuable and natural type of role for him.

Has been on a team that would allow him to play that 4th option type of role?

I mean I think the Magic could have really used a guy who elevates the players around him.  But they have also lacked a lead playmaker / scorer and have inconsistent floor spacing.

Maybe Aaron Gordon would have turned into a very different player if he'd been drafted by a different team.  Is it realistic to expect him to drastically change the way he plays at this point?

[RJ87]

Is Aaron Gordon any good though?  I had high hopes for him when he was drafted but he seems more interested in being Tobias Harris than being Shane Battier, despite the latter being a much more valuable and natural type of role for him.

Has been on a team that would allow him to play that 4th option type of role?

Is any 4th option worth giving up multiple firsts and recent lottery picks for?

Depends on the player and the team. Our youth is pretty much end of bench filler at this point. And I don't see how adding more youth in 1st round picks helps fill out this team.

I wouldn't mind spending assets on Gordon because he's a guy that can actually contribute now and is still young enough to develop his game some. He may not breakout as a perennial All-star, but I think he can flirt with that level of play. That'd be pretty fantastic as 4th option.

[RJ87]

Is Aaron Gordon any good though?  I had high hopes for him when he was drafted but he seems more interested in being Tobias Harris than being Shane Battier, despite the latter being a much more valuable and natural type of role for him.

Has been on a team that would allow him to play that 4th option type of role?

I mean I think the Magic could have really used a guy who elevates the players around him.  But they have also lacked a lead playmaker / scorer and have inconsistent floor spacing.

Maybe Aaron Gordon would have turned into a very different player if he'd been drafted by a different team.  Is it realistic to expect him to drastically change the way he plays at this point?

Do we need him to "drastically" change his game, though? What he brings to the table now - the ability to attack closeouts, hitting open shots at a good clip (his numbers as a catch-and-shoot guy from 3 are solid), being a complimentary playmaker - are things this team currently needs.

[PhoSita]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfcct952

I'd trade them Thompson, Langford, and Nesmith for Gordon and Birch. 

That might be an overpay on young talent for a guy with only one year left on his deal after this, but the Celts will have to overpay to move salary without including Smart and still get back a useful player.

[td450]

Is Aaron Gordon any good though?  I had high hopes for him when he was drafted but he seems more interested in being Tobias Harris than being Shane Battier, despite the latter being a much more valuable and natural type of role for him.

Has been on a team that would allow him to play that 4th option type of role?

Nesmith
Pritchard
Langford
Grant Williams

That's two lottery picks and two in the 20's. Out of that, right now the C's are getting one rotation bench player at point, and one episodic deep rotation player in Grant Williams. The two lottery picks are non contributors.

I actually think Langford and Nesmith can become productive players. But one plus starter will have a much greater impact than all 4 of those picks have to date, and it seems unlikely to me that the next couple of picks we get will be worth delaying this team from moving forward.


Is any 4th option worth giving up multiple firsts and recent lottery picks for?

Nesmith
Pritchard
Langford
Grant Williams

That's two lottery picks and two in the 20's. Out of that, right now the C's are getting one rotation bench player at point, and one episodic deep rotation player in Grant Williams. The two lottery picks are non contributors.

I actually think Langford and Nesmith can become productive players. But one plus starter will have a much greater impact than all 4 of those picks have to date, and it seems unlikely to me that the next couple of picks we get will be worth delaying this team from moving forward.

We also have Robert Williams. I'd be fine with 3 quality developmental players instead of 4 if it meant adding a plus starter that we really needed now. And we really need a PF.

[slamtheking]

Keith Smith tweeted his best guess for Gordon’s price tag is 2 firsts and a young player. If the Celtics can get him for 2 firsts and Nesmith or Langford I’d be p---ed if they didn’t do that deal. I think he’s a perfect fit.

I have a sinking feeling that a Gordon deal is gonna be killed because we wouldn't include Romeo Langford or something. And I'm gonna be livid if that happens.

 

Of course do the Celtics 1st round picks or young players have the same value as others?

I mean if GS offers the T-wolves first, their first and Oubre (and cap filler), can the Celtics beat that?

why on god's green earth would GSW grossly overpay like that?

Gordon wouldn't get either of those picks individually never mind both.

[Tr1boy]

These are the trades I would entertain

To Celtics: Bogdonovic, Collins
To Hawks:  Smart, Theis

To Bulls: Walker, 1st round pick
To Celtics: Markkanen, Porter Jr., 2nd round pick

Post trade lineup

TT
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Bogdonovic

TL
Markkanen
Porter Jr.
Langford/Nesmith
Pritchard

[Celtics2021]

Two unrelated thoughts:

1. If given a choice, would Danny rather move Romeo or Nesmith in a trade package for Aaron Gordon?  I think he'd prefer to keep Nesmith because he projects as a better shooter, and has shown enough energy and length on defense to mitigate Romeo's advantages.  Gordon is not a lights out shooter, so Danny will want to keep as much (theoretical) shooting as possible.

2. If we are going to trade for Collins (a move I don't like, but can't deny the rumors), I suspect that Danny will consider moving Rob (not to ATL, but somewhere).  Love Rob, have never proposed including him in any trade package, but I just don't see him and Collins playing on the floor together.  Zach Lowe ran a great article this morning on ESPN regarding positional limits of Collins, and pretty much says what I have been saying all along: Collins is a 4/5, not a guy who can defend wings.  (that is why he feels Barnes and Gordon, who are 3/4s, will have more trade value than Collins, although it could have as much or more to do with his RFA status). I just can't envision Collins and Rob Willams on the floor together (but hey, it seems to be working with him and Capella together lately, so maybe it can work here).

Crazy season!!!

I think he would keep Romeo, because Romeo has the higher ceiling, and if you're left with the option of keeping one of two players who aren't likely to help you this year, then you keep the best player available, same as if you're drafting.  While I don't disagree that we could use some bench shooting, Nesmith hasn't yet shown himself to be that player, so you don't make a decision assuming that he becomes that player literally this week.

I do agree that if the Celtics are truly interested in Collins that they should trade Time Lord.  They aren't going to work on the floor any better together than Time Lord and Theis, or Time Lord and Thompson.  Maybe there's some series of deals where the Celtics acquire assets for TL and one of Thompson or Theis, and repackage those assets as the primary compensation for Collins.  As it stands, our roster construction is already inefficient, as we have seven reliable players (and that's being a little kind to Kemba), and three of them (the bigs) can't be on the court together.  Acquiring another such player in Collins without moving at least two of the ones we already have will only further imbalance the roster.

[Donoghus]

These are the trades I would entertain

To Celtics: Bogdonovic, Collins
To Hawks:  Smart, Theis

To Bulls: Walker, 1st round pick
To Celtics: Markkanen, Porter Jr., 2nd round pick

Post trade lineup

TT
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Bogdonovic

TL
Markkanen
Porter Jr.
Langford/Nesmith
Pritchard

Why would the Bulls do that trade?

[Celtics2021]

These are the trades I would entertain

To Celtics: Bogdonovic, Collins
To Hawks:  Smart, Theis

To Bulls: Walker, 1st round pick
To Celtics: Markkanen, Porter Jr., 2nd round pick

Post trade lineup

TT
Collins
Tatum
Brown
Bogdonovic

TL
Markkanen
Porter Jr.
Langford/Nesmith
Pritchard

Why would the Bulls do that trade?

I thought the better question is why is Bogdanovich the starting PG, but I'll look for his reply to you too.  (I actually think it's not completely out there, and that Kemba has positive value to the Bulls.)