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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #165 on: March 22, 2021, 11:41:36 PM »

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The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #166 on: March 22, 2021, 11:53:36 PM »

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Matt Moore The Action Network

The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.
If Gordon's 40+ % from deep is a genuine development and not an aberration (like Smart's period of being anything above average from deep) then I'm not sure I agree with Smart being better than him
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #167 on: March 22, 2021, 11:57:40 PM »

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The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.
If Gordon's 40+ % from deep is a genuine development and not an aberration (like Smart's period of being anything above average from deep) then I'm not sure I agree with Smart being better than him

I don't have faith in those numbers.

Half a season while playing in an empty gym?

Call me a skeptic.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #168 on: March 22, 2021, 11:59:34 PM »

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Smarts getting paid this offseason an amount we can't afford to give him, we're probably not making the playoffs and the East is very competitive, Fournier is a huge bonus and Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Gordon/Time Lord is not bad

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #169 on: March 23, 2021, 12:03:08 AM »

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Matt Moore The Action Network

The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.
If Gordon's 40+ % from deep is a genuine development and not an aberration (like Smart's period of being anything above average from deep) then I'm not sure I agree with Smart being better than him

When was the last time Smart put up 38 points?

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #170 on: March 23, 2021, 12:07:09 AM »

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Smarts getting paid this offseason an amount we can't afford to give him, we're probably not making the playoffs and the East is very competitive, Fournier is a huge bonus and Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Gordon/Time Lord is not bad

Dude, Smart is under contract another season, the same as Gordon. 

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #171 on: March 23, 2021, 12:45:51 AM »

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Matt Moore The Action Network

The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.
If Gordon's 40+ % from deep is a genuine development and not an aberration (like Smart's period of being anything above average from deep) then I'm not sure I agree with Smart being better than him

I don't have faith in those numbers.

Half a season while playing in an empty gym?

Call me a skeptic.
That's definitely fair, it could be a total mirage. It's a tricky thing to know / punt on.

That's why Danny Ainge is paid millions of dollars to make these decisions, and I'm typing about them on the internet
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #172 on: March 23, 2021, 01:04:22 AM »

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I wouldn't be surprised at a deal featuring Smart with ORL, but this is suspicious. DA certainly wouldn't start a bidding war against himself and ORL would be risking a deal with BOS if they leaked this.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #173 on: March 23, 2021, 01:11:58 AM »

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Matt Moore The Action Network

The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.

I disagree on the basis that:

1. Gordon averages 18.3 Pts / 8.4 reb / 5.2 ast Per 36 while Smart averages 14.7 Pts / 3.2 reb / 6.3 ast Per 36
2. Gordon's career FG% is 45% versus Smart's which is a cringe-worthy 38% (Gordon's lowest ever FG% is higher then Smart's best ever FG%)
3. Gordon is 6'8" and athletic, which gives him more defensive versatility then Smart (when locked in he can pretty much guard 5 positions)
4. Gordon's biggest weakness is possible his three point shooting, and it's still no worse then Smart's (32.5% vs 31.9% for their careers)
5. The advanced stats (BPM, Win Shares Per 48 and VORP) for Gordon and Smart are pretty much dead even across the board which would go against the inevitable arguments people will make that Smart has more "impact not shown on the box score"

I've been saying for a while now that this team already has three high volume shooters who can put points on the board.  What they desperately need is (1) versatile 'do a bit of everything guys like Gordon Hayward, (2) capable shooters who can stretch the floor, and (3) additional bench depth to take some load off the starters.  Aaron Gordon fill need #1, while Fourner adds an outstanding shooter and much needed bench depth as a 6th man who can produce consistently.   

I appreciate what Smart brings, but given the way this team has been playing (lately lack of ball movement, poor shot selection, etc) I really don't think a trigger happy guard with poor shot selection like Smart does much for the team.  And those future (likely late) first rounders aren't likely to do anything to move the needle any time soon.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #174 on: March 23, 2021, 01:34:34 AM »

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Is it not safe to say given the rumor (including Orlando’s interest in Smart) that if Danny was offering Smart the deal would be done?  I think either there is no merit to this or DA is holding firm, at least for the time being, to 2 1sts and player(s) other than Marcus.

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« Reply #175 on: March 23, 2021, 01:52:28 AM »

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Is it not safe to say given the rumor (including Orlando’s interest in Smart) that if Danny was offering Smart the deal would be done?  I think either there is no merit to this or DA is holding firm, at least for the time being, to 2 1sts and player(s) other than Marcus.

Its going to happen one way or the other imo

Most contending teams either dont have multiple 1sts to give up or dont have space

Golden State is not going to give up Wolves 1st for him. Also this could be a lost season without Klay and underwhelming season for Wiseman.

Bucks have no 1sts

76ers have no space

Lakers have no space

Etc.


Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #176 on: March 23, 2021, 02:30:48 AM »

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The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.

Disagree

When was the last time Smart scored 30?

Gordon just did it 3 days ago. 38 pts

Gordon is also a late 95 born. Only 25. Smart is 27 already.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #177 on: March 23, 2021, 07:09:19 AM »

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The Boston Celtics are considered the frontrunners to add Orlando Magic forward Aaron Gordon via trade, multiple sources confirmed to The Action Network Monday night. While the framework of a deal is in active discussion and considered the leading offer, sources say no deal has been agreed upon and the Magic are expected to continue to take offers up until Thursday’s deadline.

The list of suitors for Gordon has increased in recent days, with the Nuggets, Blazers and Mavericks, along with long-time suitor the Houston Rockets, who had targeted Gordon in three-way conversations during the James Harden trade talks.

Houston, notably, and as previously reported by The Athletic, offered two first-round picks for Gordon recently but were unable to reach a deal due to Gordon’s reticence to sign an extension with Houston, sources confirmed.

Boston, multiple sources confirmed, has offered two first-round picks. No other teams on the board have yet to reach that offer level. It’s not known yet what types of protections are attached to those talks but there is an assumption there will be some, if not significant, protections on the first-rounders.

Additionally, the framework involves Evan Fournier going to Boston, with the Celtics sending a player, the two picks, and using their Traded Player Exception from the Gordon Hayward trade.

As to the player, negotiations continue with the Magic preferring Marcus Smart while Boston is reluctant to part with their longtime emotional heartbeat and All-Defensive Team guard.

Boston’s Traded Player Exception is not eligible to be dealt along with another player, so sources suggest the framework would include multiple deals as part of a greater framework.
if the deal ends up Fournier/Gordon for Smart and 2 firsts, I'd have to think it's going to happen provided the C's intend to keep both Fournier and Gordon through at least next year.  Not thrilled with giving up 2 firsts though.  Gordon's a decent PF but he's never reached the level I thought he would when he was drafted.  doesn't help that the TPE would basically be toast at that point so no real all-star can be had in the offseason

Smart > A.Gordon

A downgrade and then two 1sts for Fournier? Smells fishy.
I honestly don’t get the fascination with Smart. Yes, he is gritty and plus hard. That doesn’t make him a good player. He’s an awful offensive player and his defense has taken a big step back this year. I’m not saying Gordon is the answer but Smart doesn’t really have the cache to exclude him from being traded. He’s not that good if we are being honest.

Re: Trade Deadline Rumors
« Reply #178 on: March 23, 2021, 07:46:10 AM »

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Is this an Ad for Danny saying "Hey I got two 1sts and All defensive guard available.

Maybe he's seeing if someone will swoop in with a better offer than Gordon?

I'm fine with moving off Smart.
ok fine

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« Reply #179 on: March 23, 2021, 07:54:19 AM »

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Perk just said on sc Celtics need to trade.  Then ended with...”they traded me”. Lol.  Love perk.  Did not love that trade though.  That was the first mistake danny made in a long continuing list