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Offline nickagneta

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From Larry Coon's page:

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24. What is the Designated Player rule? What are the performance criteria for earning a higher maximum salary?
Certain players can receive contracts or extensions that are more favorable (in years and/or salary) than they ordinarily could receive. This applies to players who are finishing their rookie scale contracts (and other players with four years of experience), who can receive a starting salary up to 30% of the cap (which is normally reserved for players with 7-9 years of service). It also applies to players who are finishing their rookie scale extensions (and other players with eight or nine years of experience), who can receive a starting salary up to 35% of the cap (which is normally reserved for players with at least 10 years of service).

In addition, players signing a rookie scale extension can be designated by their team to receive a longer extension, totaling six seasons (including the season remaining on their rookie scale contracts).

In order to qualify for the higher maximum salary, players must meet certain performance criteria1. At least one of the following must be true:

The player was named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
The player was named the Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
The player was named the NBA Most Valuable Player in any of the three most recent seasons.
For example, if this is the 2018 offseason, then a player meets the performance criteria if he accomplishes any of the following:

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in 2017-18
Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in both 2015-16 and 2016-17
Named the Defensive Player of the Year in 2017-18
Named the Defensive Player of the Year in both 2015-16 and 2016-17
Named the NBA Most Valuable Player in 2015-16, 2016-17 or 2017-18
The naming of these rules and criteria are somewhat inconsistent and confusing. The Designated Veteran rule allows teams to sign or extend players with eight or nine years of service to a higher salary (up to 35% of the cap). The Designated Rookie rule allows teams to sign players finishing their rookie scale contracts to longer extensions, but does not provide for the higher maximum salary (up to 30% of the cap). In fact, there are no performance criteria the player must meet to qualify for the Designated Rookie rule -- he just needs to be designated by his team to receive a longer extension. The higher maximum salary for these players is provided by the 5th Year, 30% Max criteria. And while the criteria are the same for players with eight or nine years of experience to qualify for the higher maximum salary (up to 35% of the cap), the CBA calls it the "Designated Veteran Player 35% Max Criteria" for these players.

A player's eligibility for a higher maximum salary doesn't imply he will actually receive that amount -- as with all contracts, the actual salary is a matter of negotiation between the player (or his agent) and his team. However, a Designated Rookie must receive at least 25% of the cap. In addition, for players entering their fifth season the exact percentage of the cap can be based on how the player meets the 5th Year, 30% Max criteria. For example, a rookie scale extension can specify that the player will receive 27% of the cap if he meets the criteria by being named to the All NBA Second Team, 28% if he meets the criteria by being named to the All NBA First Team, or 30% if he meets the criteria by being named Most Valuable Player.

There is a limit to the number of designated players a team can have on its roster at a time. A team can have up to two designated rookies (who received a longer rookie scale extension) and up to two designated veterans (who received higher than the 30% maximum salary) at any time.2 However, only one designated rookie and one designated veteran may have been acquired from another team in a trade.

A designated veteran extension can only be signed from the end of the July Moratorium through the last day before the start of the regular season. A player who signs a designated veteran contract or extension can't be traded for one year after he is signed.

In summary, the kinds of contracts and extensions that can be signed using the Designated Player rule and the 5th Year, 30% Max Criteria are as follows:

Type   Qualifications   Maximum Salary   Maximum Years
Designated Rookie Extension   Entering 4th season of Rookie Scale Contract; designated by team   25% of cap (30% if meets 5th Year 30% Max Criteria)   6 (including remaining year on current contract)
Free Agent Contract after Rookie Scale Contract   Finished Rookie Scale Contract, or 2nd round pick or undrafted player with 4 years of service; designated by team   25% of cap (30% if meets 5th Year 30% Max Criteria)   5
Designated Veteran Extension   7 or 8 years of service when extension signed; 1 or 2 years remaining on contract; with same team continuously (unless traded during first four years in the league); meets Designated Veteran Player 35% Max Criteria3   35% of cap   6 (including remaining years on current contract)
Designated Veteran Contract   8 or 9 years of service; with same team continuously (unless traded during first four years in the league); meets Designated Veteran Player 35% Max Criteria   35% of cap   5

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Here's more on Kyrie's super max.

http://bostonsportsextra.com/boston-celtics/2019/05/kyrie-irving-eligible-for-super-max-after-making-all-nba-team

Irving’s accolades make him eligible for the NBA Super Max contract, which will pay players like Chris Paul and John Wall over $40 million per year. Irving was named to the All-NBA second team in his eighth year of NBA service, and is entering the last year of his rookie max extension deal he signed with Cleveland in 2015-2016. This makes Irving eligible for the 5-year Super Max contract. Considering the incentives associated with this type of contract, Irving could stand to make nearly $250 million over the next five years.

You're getting bad info from a blog. Here's the criteria for earning a supermax contract (Kyrie isn't eligible):

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A player that has already or will have completed eight years in the league by the end of his current contract

Said player has to be with the same team he was on by the end of his rookie deal. (Doesn't have to be the team that drafted him; it can be on a team who traded for him as long as he was on his rookie deal)

They must have been awarded one of the following: MVP in the last three seasons, Defensive Player of the Year in the last three seasons or named to an All-NBA team in the last three seasons

And here are the only players eligible this summer: Davis, Lillard, Kemba and Giannis.

https://ca.nba.com/news/all-nba-team-announcement-who-is-eligible-for-supermax-contract/191g365el60dn1kc3ucn2xsx4t

I double checked and it looks like the info I got was incorrect.

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If this team keeps Terry Rozier even after all that's transpired in the past month, I'm becoming a Suns fan for a month.

After the things Rozier said, I'm sure he'll be the first one out the door.

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I think a lot of people are in denial about the Celtics current situation. I see so many posters absolutely refusing to accept the strong possibility Kyrie leaves.

It’s going to be interesting to see how people react if/when Kyrie walks and the Celtics act accordingly.

TP. I'm afraid that "in denial" is the prevailing sentiment on this blog and on NBC Sports Boston (shocker). I genuinely hope that I am wrong, but I have seen nothing in his behavior since before the All-Star break that indicates that he wants to be here. I don''t think that he likes his teammates, his coach, and perhaps this city. Having said that, the opportunity to play with AD combined with the trading of a number of the younger guys may trump all these negative factors and he reenlists.

Just because someone doesn’t believe Kyrie is 100% leaving does not mean they are in denial. In fact thinking he is 100% leaving is just as silly as thinking there is no chance he leaves.

What benefit does Kyrie have leaving to go to a dumpster fire franchise? What truly changed from last year? What is truly better about those franchises? Everything you listed would be just as bad if not worse. One bad year and the guy 100% needs to leave? Why isn’t anyone trying to figure out if Kemba is 100% gone from a Charlotte team that can’t make the playoffs?

Kyrie could very well be gone but a lot of this is media created, and people eat it up because they either dislike the Cs or dislike Kyrie (or both) and want it to be true.

Real sources have been quiet. I won’t be surprised if he leaves, but it’s ridiculous to think it’s a foregone conclusion.

Neither Jiri or I said it was a  "foregone conclusion", and speaking for myself, Kyler's piece played no part in my opinion.

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I think a lot of people are in denial about the Celtics current situation. I see so many posters absolutely refusing to accept the strong possibility Kyrie leaves.

It’s going to be interesting to see how people react if/when Kyrie walks and the Celtics act accordingly.

What evidence do you have of people being in denial?

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I don't know who Kyler is but Jimmy Stewart from Felger and Mazz said yesterday that he was hearing they were going after Karl Anthony Towns.  He said Minny didn't want to pay both him and Wiggins.  Take that as you will. 

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I still hold out hope that Kyrie will stay, especially if DA has some traction on acquiring vets and trading out the young guys. I think Kyrie’s frustration lies in guys being too lackadaisical, and for a big chunk of the year (if not most of the year), the young guys put forth effort worthy of a lottery team. Effects of an ECF appearance I guess.

As for the playoffs, bad habits were built during the season and there’s no flip to switch for a group that hasn’t been together long enough. The team couldn’t adjust with its backs against the wall and the true character (or lack thereof) of our team showed itself in games 3-4.

I think if DA addresses this in his meeting with Kyrie, it would help a ton.
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If Irving leaves and no AD, then the Celtics are headed for another rebuild.

And I am running out of patience with rebuild. Rebuild to keep on rebuilding basically.


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If Irving leaves and no AD, then the Celtics are headed for another rebuild.

And I am running out of patience with rebuild. Rebuild to keep on rebuilding basically.

That's the definition of more than 3/4 of the NBA! :)

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If Irving leaves and no AD, then the Celtics are headed for another rebuild.

And I am running out of patience with rebuild. Rebuild to keep on rebuilding basically.

Count me in the minority when I say that I haven't lost patience, at least not yet.  Yes, it's been 11 years since the last title.  Game 7 of the 2010 Finals was also the most heart braking loss I've experienced as a sports fan.  It would have been such a legacy enhancing win for that group.  The historical implications make it the most difficult to revisit for me.  I still haven't watched a replay of the game.

That said, I simply can't ignore the fact that LeBron James completely dominated the Conference for 8 straight years.  It also sucks that KD took the easy route by joining up with G-State.  Maybe there's an alternate universe where he joins the Celtics instead.  At the end of the day I have enough patience to see how this group comes together (Tatum, Brown, Hayward) even if we don't land Kyrie or AD.  The Hayward injury really screwed things up and there's nobody to blame for it. 

I haven't given up on the possibility that Tatum and Brown can both become perennial All-Stars.  More importantly, I think they're strengths will complement each other perfectly in the long run.  Next season needs to be about getting the franchise back on track (assuming no KD and Kyrie).  I need to walk away from next season feeling like they're building towards a championship.  If that doesn't happen then I will have lost patience.   



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If Irving leaves and no AD, then the Celtics are headed for another rebuild.

And I am running out of patience with rebuild. Rebuild to keep on rebuilding basically.

This team has been in better spots than most of the teams in the NBA. With the way FA works it's hard to keep teams together and build, especially how players are now teaming up. DA has made some good moves, some bad, but on the most part good.

Brooklyn picks that got us Brown and Tatum.
He got Horford to get KD
Sign Hayward who was one of the top FA's that summer
Got Irving for a broken IT and a meh Brooklyn pick.

What went wrong is
Stevens being a good coach with decent players and making the playoffs when they should have been tanking.
GSW swooping in and grabbing KD last minute.
Hayward having one of the worse injuries seen on TV
Irving possible not meshing well, or even not mentally completely check into playing for the C's

Whats gone wrong on the most part are things you can't put down on paper. C's been pretty relevant since the PP and KG trade. And even if they miss out of KI and AD, they have a good start with Smart/Brown/Tatum to build a team around. Much better than teams like the Knicks who have been horrible in that same time span.

If we build around Brown and Tatum, and can bundle our picks for some one like Sabonis (or even trade Hayward to Indy sending him home) which I'm not for trading him right now, but if's he's game. Thats a good starting core. Smart/Brown/Tatum/Sabonis/TimeLord.......

Rebuild would be short and back into the mix in a couple years

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If Irving leaves and no AD, then the Celtics are headed for another rebuild.

And I am running out of patience with rebuild. Rebuild to keep on rebuilding basically.

This team has been in better spots than most of the teams in the NBA. With the way FA works it's hard to keep teams together and build, especially how players are now teaming up. DA has made some good moves, some bad, but on the most part good.

Brooklyn picks that got us Brown and Tatum.
He got Horford to get KD
Sign Hayward who was one of the top FA's that summer
Got Irving for a broken IT and a meh Brooklyn pick.

What went wrong is
Stevens being a good coach with decent players and making the playoffs when they should have been tanking.
GSW swooping in and grabbing KD last minute.
Hayward having one of the worse injuries seen on TV
Irving possible not meshing well, or even not mentally completely check into playing for the C's

Whats gone wrong on the most part are things you can't put down on paper. C's been pretty relevant since the PP and KG trade. And even if they miss out of KI and AD, they have a good start with Smart/Brown/Tatum to build a team around. Much better than teams like the Knicks who have been horrible in that same time span.

If we build around Brown and Tatum, and can bundle our picks for some one like Sabonis (or even trade Hayward to Indy sending him home) which I'm not for trading him right now, but if's he's game. Thats a good starting core. Smart/Brown/Tatum/Sabonis/TimeLord.......

Rebuild would be short and back into the mix in a couple years

??

Durant was a free agent and met with several teams that were interested in him including the Celtics and Warriors (among others.)

He chose the Warriors.

I like the narrative though, lol....

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Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

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Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.