Steve Kyler Twitter:Cs exploring scenarios (trades, draft) not including KI/AD

[RazzelnoDazzel]

You know what would be funny?

Celtics Signs and trade Rozier for rights of 6th Pick and Josh Jackson

Then trade Smart and rights of 6th for Bamba and Fultz

Now the Celtics will have Tatum, Jackson,  Fultz, And Bamba 😂

What's funny about this? Fultz and Jackson are both busts. Bamba hasn't gotten on the floor yet.

You don’t know what Brad can get out of them....

[RazzelnoDazzel]

It don’t matter I have 100% convinced myself the Celtics are trading Smart for Turner and swap picks.

Smart + 14th pick for Turner + 18th Pick

Pacers will also have cap space, Cousins?

PG: Oladipo
SG: Smart
SF: Bogdanovic
PF: Sabonis
C: Cousins


Celtics will finally fill a need in the front court:

PG: Rozier (Chance to increase value)
SG: Brown
SF: Tatum
PF: Horford
C:  Turner
6th man: Hayward or Brown

With the 18th, 20th, and 22nd
Thybulle, Goga Bitadze (Stash), Cameron Johnson Or Trade

One thing I know is Brown destroys non starters, so he may be the 6th man unless he learns how to shred starters to.

[BMark]

Merged this with the Steve Kyler thread as NESN's "rumor" is off of Kyler's report.

Heres another one too where Jeff Clark, from the mother-ship Celticsblog, talks about Kyler's tweets and Goodman's about Irving likely to be gone.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/6/2/18649842/various-rumors-and-rumblings-about-kyrie-irving-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics


Personally I dont like Kyrie, but he is a substantial asset that we can eventually trade if we had to, down the line, even at the trade deadline.

Here's the thing- Kyrie knows this too. He gets to choose where he goes once. He's not going to sign to be an "asset". He's only going to sign to play with AD, and only if he feels its his most comfortable option. If he has a shot to play with another MVP candidate, I think he leaves.

We have one thing the other teams can't give him, the extra year.  By using this perhaps he could be convinced to be part of a S&T

[RJ87]

Merged this with the Steve Kyler thread as NESN's "rumor" is off of Kyler's report.

Heres another one too where Jeff Clark, from the mother-ship Celticsblog, talks about Kyler's tweets and Goodman's about Irving likely to be gone.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/6/2/18649842/various-rumors-and-rumblings-about-kyrie-irving-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics


Personally I dont like Kyrie, but he is a substantial asset that we can eventually trade if we had to, down the line, even at the trade deadline.

Here's the thing- Kyrie knows this too. He gets to choose where he goes once. He's not going to sign to be an "asset". He's only going to sign to play with AD, and only if he feels its his most comfortable option. If he has a shot to play with another MVP candidate, I think he leaves.

We have one thing the other teams can't give him, the extra year.  By using this perhaps he could be convinced to be part of a S&T

Once again, he doesn't get an extra year or more money in a sign & trade. There's literally nothing in it for him to do one. If he walks, we lose out and that's that.

[nickagneta]

It don’t matter I have 100% convinced myself the Celtics are trading Smart for Turner and swap picks.

Smart + 14th pick for Turner + 18th Pick

Pacers will also have cap space, Cousins?

PG: Oladipo
SG: Smart
SF: Bogdanovic
PF: Sabonis
C: Cousins


Celtics will finally fill a need in the front court:

PG: Rozier (Chance to increase value)
SG: Brown
SF: Tatum
PF: Horford
C:  Turner
6th man: Hayward or Brown

With the 18th, 20th, and 22nd
Thybulle, Goga Bitadze (Stash), Cameron Johnson Or Trade

One thing I know is Brown destroys non starters, so he may be the 6th man unless he learns how to shred starters to.

Couple things:

1. You have convinced yourself that trade is happening? Why? I haven't heard even a whisper of something like that.

2. Brown started almost all of 2017-18 and did extremely well against starters, especially when the games got more important in the playoffs. When he started in this year's playoffs, he was one of the top 3 Celtic players, if not consistently the best two way player.

Jaylen will do very well as a starter. He really should have been starting from Christmas on, when he became one of the team's best outside shooters. I think he shot almost 50/40/70 from 12/31/18 until the end of the playoffs with a TS% hovering around 60%.

[Scintan]

Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.

It's not really a tough one.  It's nearly universal.

People like high effort teams that show promise.  People don't like teams that seem to be wasting talent.

[RPGenerate]

Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.

It's not really a tough one.  It's nearly universal.

People like high effort teams that show promise.  People don't like teams that seem to be wasting talent.

Well, duh. Thanks for the insight. Not what he said, however. Many people have been reminiscing about the days where we had IT and Avery Bradley, and don't really care that they had absolutely no chance of competing for a championship. Some fan would be seemingly content having a scrappy underdog team that never wins anything.

[Scintan]

Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.

It's not really a tough one.  It's nearly universal.

People like high effort teams that show promise.  People don't like teams that seem to be wasting talent.

Well, duh. Thanks for the insight. Not what he said, however. Many people have been reminiscing about the days where we had IT and Avery Bradley, and don't really care that they had absolutely no chance of competing for a championship. Some fan would be seemingly content having a scrappy underdog team that never wins anything.

This is the entirety of what he wrote:

"I've been a fan for over 20 years, I'd hate to watch another scrappy blue collar team, on the fringe of the league. Nauseating thought.

I'd rather have a team filled with All NBA divas, and have a shot to win. I'd rather carry Kyrie's bags and cater to him, than watch this team without him. Losing a top 10 player for nothing would be too much to stomach.


Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.


I say Danny calls KI at midnight and offers him the 5 years, and asks him what he wants around him. I'd ship Brad out in a heartbeat if that's what Irving wanted. Talent wins titles. I know Kyrie is a 1A, and can't take us there alone, but at least we have a guy like that. Best treat him like one."

My response to that was appropriate.  Yours?  Not so much, IMO.  But thanks for taking the time to respond.

[RPGenerate]

Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.

It's not really a tough one.  It's nearly universal.

People like high effort teams that show promise.  People don't like teams that seem to be wasting talent.

Well, duh. Thanks for the insight. Not what he said, however. Many people have been reminiscing about the days where we had IT and Avery Bradley, and don't really care that they had absolutely no chance of competing for a championship. Some fan would be seemingly content having a scrappy underdog team that never wins anything.

This is the entirety of what he wrote:

"I've been a fan for over 20 years, I'd hate to watch another scrappy blue collar team, on the fringe of the league. Nauseating thought.

I'd rather have a team filled with All NBA divas, and have a shot to win. I'd rather carry Kyrie's bags and cater to him, than watch this team without him. Losing a top 10 player for nothing would be too much to stomach.


Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.


I say Danny calls KI at midnight and offers him the 5 years, and asks him what he wants around him. I'd ship Brad out in a heartbeat if that's what Irving wanted. Talent wins titles. I know Kyrie is a 1A, and can't take us there alone, but at least we have a guy like that. Best treat him like one."

My response to that was appropriate.  Yours?  Not so much, IMO.  But thanks for taking the time to respond.

Nah, I read what he wrote. Thanks for repeating it tho. My point still remains the same.

[td450]

Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.

It's not really a tough one.  It's nearly universal.

People like high effort teams that show promise.  People don't like teams that seem to be wasting talent.

Well, duh. Thanks for the insight. Not what he said, however. Many people have been reminiscing about the days where we had IT and Avery Bradley, and don't really care that they had absolutely no chance of competing for a championship. Some fan would be seemingly content having a scrappy underdog team that never wins anything.

This is the entirety of what he wrote:

"I've been a fan for over 20 years, I'd hate to watch another scrappy blue collar team, on the fringe of the league. Nauseating thought.

I'd rather have a team filled with All NBA divas, and have a shot to win. I'd rather carry Kyrie's bags and cater to him, than watch this team without him. Losing a top 10 player for nothing would be too much to stomach.


Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.


I say Danny calls KI at midnight and offers him the 5 years, and asks him what he wants around him. I'd ship Brad out in a heartbeat if that's what Irving wanted. Talent wins titles. I know Kyrie is a 1A, and can't take us there alone, but at least we have a guy like that. Best treat him like one."

My response to that was appropriate.  Yours?  Not so much, IMO.  But thanks for taking the time to respond.

There are 30 teams and a lot of guys with talent. The stars who win titles have a particular type of emotional toughness and focus. Its the difference between being Karl Malone and being Micheal Jordan. Kyrie has never been able to sustain that more than part time, and he's always unsettled his teammates.

A good rule of thumb is to never build around an emotionally fragile star.

[RJ87]

Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.

It's not really a tough one.  It's nearly universal.

People like high effort teams that show promise.  People don't like teams that seem to be wasting talent.

Well, duh. Thanks for the insight. Not what he said, however. Many people have been reminiscing about the days where we had IT and Avery Bradley, and don't really care that they had absolutely no chance of competing for a championship. Some fan would be seemingly content having a scrappy underdog team that never wins anything.

This is the entirety of what he wrote:

"I've been a fan for over 20 years, I'd hate to watch another scrappy blue collar team, on the fringe of the league. Nauseating thought.

I'd rather have a team filled with All NBA divas, and have a shot to win. I'd rather carry Kyrie's bags and cater to him, than watch this team without him. Losing a top 10 player for nothing would be too much to stomach.


Sadly a lot of fans online love underdog teams, more than all world teams. I don't get it.


I say Danny calls KI at midnight and offers him the 5 years, and asks him what he wants around him. I'd ship Brad out in a heartbeat if that's what Irving wanted. Talent wins titles. I know Kyrie is a 1A, and can't take us there alone, but at least we have a guy like that. Best treat him like one."

My response to that was appropriate.  Yours?  Not so much, IMO.  But thanks for taking the time to respond.

There are 30 teams and a lot of guys with talent. The stars who win titles have a particular type of emotional toughness and focus. Its the difference between being Karl Malone and being Micheal Jordan. Kyrie has never been able to sustain that more than part time, and he's always unsettled his teammates.

A good rule of thumb is to never build around an emotionally fragile star.

I hate to break it to you, but they're all emotionally fragile and egocentric.

[PhoSita]

I mean, a good rule of thumb is that "having a star who is talented enough to build around in the first place is really tough to come by in the NBA and you shouldn't take it for granted."

Issue with Kyrie is whether he will allow a team to actually be built around him or if he's too much like LeBron to allow a stable structure to be built around him.

Will he actually buy in to what a coach wants to do?  Will he galvanize his teammates rather than sowing uncertainty and discord among them?  Will he make his teammates better or just expect and demand that they make him better?  Will he commit to the team long term or will he want to have a series of one to two year deals with opt outs?

I do think it is true that some superstars, despite their talent, simply can't be built around, at least not for an extended period of time.  To succeed they need to end up on a team with a star and a structure already in place.

Kyrie may be one of those players.

[Who]

I mean, a good rule of thumb is that "having a star who is talented enough to build around in the first place is really tough to come by in the NBA and you shouldn't take it for granted."

Issue with Kyrie is whether he will allow a team to actually be built around him or if he's too much like LeBron to allow a stable structure to be built around him.

Will he actually buy in to what a coach wants to do?  Will he galvanize his teammates rather than sowing uncertainty and discord among them?  Will he make his teammates better or just expect and demand that they make him better?  Will he commit to the team long term or will he want to have a series or one to two year deals with opt outs?

I do think it is true that some superstars, despite their talent, simply can't be built around, at least not for an extended period of time.  To succeed they need to end up on a team with a star and a structure already in place.

Kyrie may be one of those players.

Kyrie is the guard version of Amare Stoudemire

Too flawed to be the man. Great as the 2nd or 3rd guy.

[celticinorlando]

I mean, a good rule of thumb is that "having a star who is talented enough to build around in the first place is really tough to come by in the NBA and you shouldn't take it for granted."

Issue with Kyrie is whether he will allow a team to actually be built around him or if he's too much like LeBron to allow a stable structure to be built around him.

Will he actually buy in to what a coach wants to do?  Will he galvanize his teammates rather than sowing uncertainty and discord among them?  Will he make his teammates better or just expect and demand that they make him better?  Will he commit to the team long term or will he want to have a series or one to two year deals with opt outs?

I do think it is true that some superstars, despite their talent, simply can't be built around, at least not for an extended period of time.  To succeed they need to end up on a team with a star and a structure already in place.

Kyrie may be one of those players.

Kyrie is the guard version of Amare Stoudemire

Too flawed to be the man. Great as the 2nd or 3rd guy.

Yep. Needs to be the Robin to a Batman.

[gift]

I mean, a good rule of thumb is that "having a star who is talented enough to build around in the first place is really tough to come by in the NBA and you shouldn't take it for granted."

Issue with Kyrie is whether he will allow a team to actually be built around him or if he's too much like LeBron to allow a stable structure to be built around him.

Will he actually buy in to what a coach wants to do?  Will he galvanize his teammates rather than sowing uncertainty and discord among them?  Will he make his teammates better or just expect and demand that they make him better?  Will he commit to the team long term or will he want to have a series or one to two year deals with opt outs?

I do think it is true that some superstars, despite their talent, simply can't be built around, at least not for an extended period of time.  To succeed they need to end up on a team with a star and a structure already in place.

Kyrie may be one of those players.

Kyrie is the guard version of Amare Stoudemire

Too flawed to be the man. Great as the 2nd or 3rd guy.

Yep. Needs to be the Robin to a Batman.

In terms of this offseason it doesn't matter. You call him Batman and see what you can put around him. Trade him later if he doesn't like being Robin.