Steve Kyler Twitter:Cs exploring scenarios (trades, draft) not including KI/AD

[Chris22]

No more Kyrie Irving. Please.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.

Here is the thing, you want to put your players in the best position in which they can flourish. Sure Brown “May” have the strength to play PF but is that the best position for him to be to flourish? If you are going to build this team build it right. Put players in positions where they can flourish and that is why they will have a wing problem. The only thing I’m not sure about is if Smart can flourish at PG, I really don’t know. I lean more towards no than yes though. I will say Brown can flourish as the 6th man, he destroys lesser comp. but Hayward needs to start so he can get back to the level that he needs to be playing. Hayward plays same position as Tatum, and Smart plays same position as Brown....either way you shake it, the Celtics have a problem.

[td450]

Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.

Here is the thing, you want to put your players in the best position in which they can flourish. Sure Brown “May” have the strength to play PF but is that the best position for him to be to flourish? If you are going to build this team build it right. Put players in positions where they can flourish and that is why they will have a wing problem. The only thing I’m not sure about is if Smart can flourish at PG, I really don’t know. I lean more towards no than yes though. I will say Brown can flourish as the 6th man, he destroys lesser comp. but Hayward needs to start so he can get back to the level that he needs to be playing. Hayward plays same position as Tatum, and Smart plays same position as Brown....either way you shake it, the Celtics have a problem.

I really don't know what Brown's best natural position is. I would think one of his most impressive qualities is he is athletically gifted enough to play 3 different positions without much physical compromise. I would have thought he was a 3/4 type before Stevens slotted him as a 2. I think he'd find it easier to score against power forwards.

He has played 2 guard for a while now, and I understand the argument that it may slow his development to start moving him around, but if you don't want to use him in a variety of ways, I think you're disabling some of his natural talent.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Whether he's a credible source or not, I agree with the line of thinking. Blowing the bank on two injury prone players is risky.

[PAOBoston]

No more Kyrie Irving. Please.

I hate this silly thinking. Irving was 2nd team All NBA and had a great season. Don’t kid yourself. Irving leaving for free would be a utter gut punch to the Cs and set them back multiple years. It would also likely have a cascade effect on Horford as well and likely no chance at acquiring a top 5 player like AD. You’d be back to square one: rebuilding and likely a 6-8 playoff seed with no championship aspirations.

[Jiri Welsch]

No more Kyrie Irving. Please.

I hate this silly thinking. Irving was 2nd team All NBA and had a great season. Don’t kid yourself. Irving leaving for free would be a utter gut punch to the Cs and set them back multiple years. It would also likely have a cascade effect on Horford as well and likely no chance at acquiring a top 5 player like AD. You’d be back to square one: rebuilding and likely a 6-8 playoff seed with no championship aspirations.

It’s also silly to think that talent automatically translates to a required core piece of a championship contender. Especially when it has been made abundantly clear Kyrie is at best a 1A.

[PAOBoston]

No more Kyrie Irving. Please.

I hate this silly thinking. Irving was 2nd team All NBA and had a great season. Don’t kid yourself. Irving leaving for free would be a utter gut punch to the Cs and set them back multiple years. It would also likely have a cascade effect on Horford as well and likely no chance at acquiring a top 5 player like AD. You’d be back to square one: rebuilding and likely a 6-8 playoff seed with no championship aspirations.

It’s also silly to think that talent automatically translates to a required core piece of a championship contender. Especially when it has been made abundantly clear Kyrie is at best a 1A.

So then why is the first reaction to get rid of Kyrie??? That’s my issue with that thinking. Wouldn’t it make more sense to try and accommodate your star talent to where he performs best (aka doing everything in your power to acquire and convince a top 5 talent like AD)?

The answer is to appease those players and add to their skill sets, not to let them leave for free.

[gpap]

No more Kyrie Irving. Please.

You're probably going to get your wish.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.

Here is the thing, you want to put your players in the best position in which they can flourish. Sure Brown “May” have the strength to play PF but is that the best position for him to be to flourish? If you are going to build this team build it right. Put players in positions where they can flourish and that is why they will have a wing problem. The only thing I’m not sure about is if Smart can flourish at PG, I really don’t know. I lean more towards no than yes though. I will say Brown can flourish as the 6th man, he destroys lesser comp. but Hayward needs to start so he can get back to the level that he needs to be playing. Hayward plays same position as Tatum, and Smart plays same position as Brown....either way you shake it, the Celtics have a problem.

I really don't know what Brown's best natural position is. I would think one of his most impressive qualities is he is athletically gifted enough to play 3 different positions without much physical compromise. I would have thought he was a 3/4 type before Stevens slotted him as a 2. I think he'd find it easier to score against power forwards.

He has played 2 guard for a while now, and I understand the argument that it may slow his development to start moving him around, but if you don't want to use him in a variety of ways, I think you're disabling some of his natural talent.

I get that, but on defense I wouldn’t want to have him banking down low with bigs if we don’t have to. You can move him around between 1-3 but not 4 and 5. Brown works best defending the perimeter, and I know of this just from watching him play. I’m not sure why you saw him as a 3/4 coming out of high school or college because I’ve always seen him as a 2/3 and he flourished as a 2.

With that being said I’ve came up with a 3 team trade scenario. I’m just going to throw it out there hoping whomever sees it will understand the trade without me having to break down and explain why everyone would do it, but if I have to I will.

The only part I’ll kind of explain is Rozier. With my Scenario Rozier could be traded signed and traded. The reason for this is because Magic are over the cap so they will not be able to sign Rozier straight out. They are also in need for a PG who fits their timeline with the rest of their roster and Fultz may still not be ready. Now let’s get started;

Magic, Rockets, Rockets

Magic receive:
Capela, Rozier, Eric Gordon Celtics Pick #20

Rockets receive:
Smart, Evan Fortier, Celtics 14th pick

Celtics receive:
Bamba, DJ Augustine or Fultz, Magic #46 pick, future 1st protected

Magic Lineup:

PG: T. Rozier
SG: T. Ross
SF: A. Gordon
PF: J. Issac
C. C. Capela

Celtics Lineup:
PG: D. Augustine/ Wanamaker
SG: J. Brown/20th Pick Thybull
SF:  J. Tatum/G. Hayward
PF: A. Horford/ Rob 3
C: M. Bamba/ A Baynes

[Birdman]

Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.

Here is the thing, you want to put your players in the best position in which they can flourish. Sure Brown “May” have the strength to play PF but is that the best position for him to be to flourish? If you are going to build this team build it right. Put players in positions where they can flourish and that is why they will have a wing problem. The only thing I’m not sure about is if Smart can flourish at PG, I really don’t know. I lean more towards no than yes though. I will say Brown can flourish as the 6th man, he destroys lesser comp. but Hayward needs to start so he can get back to the level that he needs to be playing. Hayward plays same position as Tatum, and Smart plays same position as Brown....either way you shake it, the Celtics have a problem.

I really don't know what Brown's best natural position is. I would think one of his most impressive qualities is he is athletically gifted enough to play 3 different positions without much physical compromise. I would have thought he was a 3/4 type before Stevens slotted him as a 2. I think he'd find it easier to score against power forwards.

He has played 2 guard for a while now, and I understand the argument that it may slow his development to start moving him around, but if you don't want to use him in a variety of ways, I think you're disabling some of his natural talent.

I get that, but on defense I wouldn’t want to have him banking down low with bigs if we don’t have to. You can move him around between 1-3 but not 4 and 5. Brown works best defending the perimeter, and I know of this just from watching him play. I’m not sure why you saw him as a 3/4 coming out of high school or college because I’ve always seen him as a 2/3 and he flourished as a 2.

With that being said I’ve came up with a 3 team trade scenario. I’m just going to throw it out there hoping whomever sees it will understand the trade without me having to break down and explain why everyone would do it, but if I have to I will.

The only part I’ll kind of explain is Rozier. With my Scenario Rozier could be traded signed and traded. The reason for this is because Magic are over the cap so they will not be able to sign Rozier straight out. They are also in need for a PG who fits their timeline with the rest of their roster and Fultz may still not be ready. Now let’s get started;

Magic, Rockets, Rockets

Magic receive:
Capela, Rozier, Eric Gordon Celtics Pick #20

Rockets receive:
Smart, Evan Fortier, Celtics 14th pick

Celtics receive:
Bamba, DJ Augustine or Fultz, Magic #46 pick, future 1st protected

Magic Lineup:

PG: T. Rozier
SG: T. Ross
SF: A. Gordon
PF: J. Issac
C. C. Capela

Celtics Lineup:
PG: D. Augustine/ Wanamaker
SG: J. Brown/20th Pick Thybull
SF:  J. Tatum/G. Hayward
PF: A. Horford/ Rob 3
C: M. Bamba/ A Baynes

We probably finish 6th in East with that lineup

[nickagneta]

Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.

Here is the thing, you want to put your players in the best position in which they can flourish. Sure Brown “May” have the strength to play PF but is that the best position for him to be to flourish? If you are going to build this team build it right. Put players in positions where they can flourish and that is why they will have a wing problem. The only thing I’m not sure about is if Smart can flourish at PG, I really don’t know. I lean more towards no than yes though. I will say Brown can flourish as the 6th man, he destroys lesser comp. but Hayward needs to start so he can get back to the level that he needs to be playing. Hayward plays same position as Tatum, and Smart plays same position as Brown....either way you shake it, the Celtics have a problem.

I really don't know what Brown's best natural position is. I would think one of his most impressive qualities is he is athletically gifted enough to play 3 different positions without much physical compromise. I would have thought he was a 3/4 type before Stevens slotted him as a 2. I think he'd find it easier to score against power forwards.

He has played 2 guard for a while now, and I understand the argument that it may slow his development to start moving him around, but if you don't want to use him in a variety of ways, I think you're disabling some of his natural talent.

I get that, but on defense I wouldn’t want to have him banking down low with bigs if we don’t have to. You can move him around between 1-3 but not 4 and 5. Brown works best defending the perimeter, and I know of this just from watching him play. I’m not sure why you saw him as a 3/4 coming out of high school or college because I’ve always seen him as a 2/3 and he flourished as a 2.

With that being said I’ve came up with a 3 team trade scenario. I’m just going to throw it out there hoping whomever sees it will understand the trade without me having to break down and explain why everyone would do it, but if I have to I will.

The only part I’ll kind of explain is Rozier. With my Scenario Rozier could be traded signed and traded. The reason for this is because Magic are over the cap so they will not be able to sign Rozier straight out. They are also in need for a PG who fits their timeline with the rest of their roster and Fultz may still not be ready. Now let’s get started;

Magic, Rockets, Rockets

Magic receive:
Capela, Rozier, Eric Gordon Celtics Pick #20

Rockets receive:
Smart, Evan Fortier, Celtics 14th pick

Celtics receive:
Bamba, DJ Augustine or Fultz, Magic #46 pick, future 1st protected

Magic Lineup:

PG: T. Rozier
SG: T. Ross
SF: A. Gordon
PF: J. Issac
C. C. Capela

Celtics Lineup:
PG: D. Augustine/ Wanamaker
SG: J. Brown/20th Pick Thybull
SF:  J. Tatum/G. Hayward
PF: A. Horford/ Rob 3
C: M. Bamba/ A Baynes

Houston is giving up Gordon and Capella for Smart, Fornier and a late 1st? You're going to have to sweeten that end of the deal for sure.

[__ramonezy__]

Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.

Here is the thing, you want to put your players in the best position in which they can flourish. Sure Brown “May” have the strength to play PF but is that the best position for him to be to flourish? If you are going to build this team build it right. Put players in positions where they can flourish and that is why they will have a wing problem. The only thing I’m not sure about is if Smart can flourish at PG, I really don’t know. I lean more towards no than yes though. I will say Brown can flourish as the 6th man, he destroys lesser comp. but Hayward needs to start so he can get back to the level that he needs to be playing. Hayward plays same position as Tatum, and Smart plays same position as Brown....either way you shake it, the Celtics have a problem.

I really don't know what Brown's best natural position is. I would think one of his most impressive qualities is he is athletically gifted enough to play 3 different positions without much physical compromise. I would have thought he was a 3/4 type before Stevens slotted him as a 2. I think he'd find it easier to score against power forwards.

He has played 2 guard for a while now, and I understand the argument that it may slow his development to start moving him around, but if you don't want to use him in a variety of ways, I think you're disabling some of his natural talent.

I get that, but on defense I wouldn’t want to have him banking down low with bigs if we don’t have to. You can move him around between 1-3 but not 4 and 5. Brown works best defending the perimeter, and I know of this just from watching him play. I’m not sure why you saw him as a 3/4 coming out of high school or college because I’ve always seen him as a 2/3 and he flourished as a 2.

With that being said I’ve came up with a 3 team trade scenario. I’m just going to throw it out there hoping whomever sees it will understand the trade without me having to break down and explain why everyone would do it, but if I have to I will.

The only part I’ll kind of explain is Rozier. With my Scenario Rozier could be traded signed and traded. The reason for this is because Magic are over the cap so they will not be able to sign Rozier straight out. They are also in need for a PG who fits their timeline with the rest of their roster and Fultz may still not be ready. Now let’s get started;

Magic, Rockets, Rockets

Magic receive:
Capela, Rozier, Eric Gordon Celtics Pick #20

Rockets receive:
Smart, Evan Fortier, Celtics 14th pick

Celtics receive:
Bamba, DJ Augustine or Fultz, Magic #46 pick, future 1st protected

Magic Lineup:

PG: T. Rozier
SG: T. Ross
SF: A. Gordon
PF: J. Issac
C. C. Capela

Celtics Lineup:
PG: D. Augustine/ Wanamaker
SG: J. Brown/20th Pick Thybull
SF:  J. Tatum/G. Hayward
PF: A. Horford/ Rob 3
C: M. Bamboo / A Baynes

Love the thinking... There are a couple of buy low prospects I think could be gold... Bender, Fultz, Cousins. If we slow down the pace a bit, Cousins in the middle could be a nightmare for opposition

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum are all starting Caliber players who al play the same positions, in here is where the trades will come.
You can make an argument that Smart is a PG and Tatum is a PF, but if you really watched the Celtics Smart isn’t a main PG and Tatum isn’t anywhere near as efficient at PF than he is a SF.

So odd men out would be Smart and Hayward. What do the Celtics do? I have no clue, but those are your odd men out and the Celtics will still need a Center or PF and a PG Unless Wanamaker is your starter and I don’t really mind that lol.

You could play Smart at the two and Jaylen at power forward. Jaylen is much stronger than Tatum. Hayward could be a high usage 6th man. If it doesn't work, I agree that Hayward might have to go.

Here is the thing, you want to put your players in the best position in which they can flourish. Sure Brown “May” have the strength to play PF but is that the best position for him to be to flourish? If you are going to build this team build it right. Put players in positions where they can flourish and that is why they will have a wing problem. The only thing I’m not sure about is if Smart can flourish at PG, I really don’t know. I lean more towards no than yes though. I will say Brown can flourish as the 6th man, he destroys lesser comp. but Hayward needs to start so he can get back to the level that he needs to be playing. Hayward plays same position as Tatum, and Smart plays same position as Brown....either way you shake it, the Celtics have a problem.

I really don't know what Brown's best natural position is. I would think one of his most impressive qualities is he is athletically gifted enough to play 3 different positions without much physical compromise. I would have thought he was a 3/4 type before Stevens slotted him as a 2. I think he'd find it easier to score against power forwards.

He has played 2 guard for a while now, and I understand the argument that it may slow his development to start moving him around, but if you don't want to use him in a variety of ways, I think you're disabling some of his natural talent.

I get that, but on defense I wouldn’t want to have him banking down low with bigs if we don’t have to. You can move him around between 1-3 but not 4 and 5. Brown works best defending the perimeter, and I know of this just from watching him play. I’m not sure why you saw him as a 3/4 coming out of high school or college because I’ve always seen him as a 2/3 and he flourished as a 2.

With that being said I’ve came up with a 3 team trade scenario. I’m just going to throw it out there hoping whomever sees it will understand the trade without me having to break down and explain why everyone would do it, but if I have to I will.

The only part I’ll kind of explain is Rozier. With my Scenario Rozier could be traded signed and traded. The reason for this is because Magic are over the cap so they will not be able to sign Rozier straight out. They are also in need for a PG who fits their timeline with the rest of their roster and Fultz may still not be ready. Now let’s get started;

Magic, Rockets, Rockets

Magic receive:
Capela, Rozier, Eric Gordon Celtics Pick #20

Rockets receive:
Smart, Evan Fortier, Celtics 14th pick

Celtics receive:
Bamba, DJ Augustine or Fultz, Magic #46 pick, future 1st protected

Magic Lineup:

PG: T. Rozier
SG: T. Ross
SF: A. Gordon
PF: J. Issac
C. C. Capela

Celtics Lineup:
PG: D. Augustine/ Wanamaker
SG: J. Brown/20th Pick Thybull
SF:  J. Tatum/G. Hayward
PF: A. Horford/ Rob 3
C: M. Bamba/ A Baynes

Houston is giving up Gordon and Capella for Smart, Fornier and a late 1st? You're going to have to sweeten that end of the deal for sure.

You are right, Celtics have more picks to throw, can also add in a 3rd team in which the rockets can then keep Gordon.

[footey]

Am I alone in thinking that we can compete as a top 3 team in the East without Kyrie or Davis, because our team work will be better, starters Smart, Hayward, Horford, Tatum and Brown is quite good, maybe re-sign Morris and Terry, trade pick(s) for a really good shooter, development of Robert Williams, one of the draft picks will turn out to contribute, Semi can give us decent minutes. 

Not saying we win the East, but can compete with Bucks and Raptors. fun team to watch too.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Am I alone in thinking that we can compete as a top 3 team in the East without Kyrie or Davis, because our team work will be better, starters Smart, Hayward, Horford, Tatum and Brown is quite good, maybe re-sign Morris and Terry, trade pick(s) for a really good shooter, development of Robert Williams, one of the draft picks will turn out to contribute, Semi can give us decent minutes. 

Not saying we win the East, but can compete with Bucks and Raptors. fun team to watch too.

Alone? No. The small percent? Yes.

I definitely see DA making a move. He’s going to trade one of our wings and some draft pics for someone. I’m not 100% certain who that player Danny has on his mind, but he’s going to do it.