Steve Kyler Twitter:Cs exploring scenarios (trades, draft) not including KI/AD

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

The guy to go after in Brooklyn if Kyrie signs there is Spencer Dinwiddie, not Russell.

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Idk guys I think we need to see what Tatum and Brown can do offensively. Getting a scoring PG wouldn’t allow them the shot attempts. I’m afraid to give them the keys but, we may have to. Either way are biggest need is to upgrade the Center position. Are best assets are Smart, Robert Williams 3, Pick 14, Pick 20, Pick 22 and Grizzlies Pick. Hayward wouldn’t be an asset unless a team desperately wants him or his salary is needed.

Take those assets and find you an upgrade at the Center that we have ALWAYS NEEDED. I’m less worried about the PG position that everyone is focused on filling. I mean Bradwanamaker is pretty freaking impressive and no one talked about it. There is also Rondo and Rubio in FA and I’m also not totally against Rozier coming back to increase his trade value or even to earn back the trust from fans (winning changes everything and he’s like 12-3 as a starter).

But if they can trade those assets for Myles Turner, or Mo Bamba + Fultz(on bench until ready), Wendell Carter Jr, these are all players who are good but not yet great yet that we may be able to steal in a Trade scenario. I’d really keep an eye on Turner that kid means business. If DA can pull off a trade for him we will be set! Now the team would be centered around Brown, Tatum, and Turner That’s a core for a dangerous team for years to come.

Danny’s first mistake was not upgrading Baynes. Baynes isn’t trash but I was screaming out to people that he could have been easily
Upgraded. Gasol and Lopez would have easily been upgrades to Baynes but people in this forum were so against Lopez. Either way someone next to Horford has been an issue for a very long time and DA must address this before he completely declined.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

The guy to go after in Brooklyn if Kyrie signs there is Spencer Dinwiddie, not Russell.

If we went after Russell I’d flip him for a big.

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

Because BKN can just sign Kyrie as a FA without giving us anything in return; while we cannot sign Russell without shedding a LOT of salary (and good players). I don't necessarily think a couple of late 1sts would really make the difference to them in helping us out, though. They would need to want to move on from Russell while not holding a grudge over Brown/Tatum.

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

Because BKN can just sign Kyrie as a FA without giving us anything in return; while we cannot sign Russell without shedding a LOT of salary (and good players). I don't necessarily think a couple of late 1sts would really make the difference to them in helping us out, though. They would need to want to move on from Russell while not holding a grudge over Brown/Tatum.

Regardless of whatever point, the only incentive the Nets would have for a trade to the Celtics would be to rid them of Crabbe. If the Celtics cannot do that there is no incentive to trade with the Celtics.  You can ignore that fact all you want, but it’s a fact.

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

Because BKN can just sign Kyrie as a FA without giving us anything in return; while we cannot sign Russell without shedding a LOT of salary (and good players). I don't necessarily think a couple of late 1sts would really make the difference to them in helping us out, though. They would need to want to move on from Russell while not holding a grudge over Brown/Tatum.

Regardless of whatever point, the only incentive the Nets would have for a trade to the Celtics would be to rid them of Crabbe. If the Celtics cannot do that there is no incentive to trade with the Celtics.  You can ignore that fact all you want, but it’s a fact.

Sure, the Nets would like to clear Crabbe's contract off their books, but they can still just sign Russell and Irving outright - they don't need to get rid of it. The incentive I was giving them was picks and I was working on the assumption that it's possible they may not want to keep Russell if they sign Kyrie. In this scenario, they get a couple of picks rather than just watching Russell walk for nothing - which they would likely do if a 2nd max FA (in addition to Kyrie) who was a better fit became available that wanted to sign there.

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

Because BKN can just sign Kyrie as a FA without giving us anything in return; while we cannot sign Russell without shedding a LOT of salary (and good players). I don't necessarily think a couple of late 1sts would really make the difference to them in helping us out, though. They would need to want to move on from Russell while not holding a grudge over Brown/Tatum.

Regardless of whatever point, the only incentive the Nets would have for a trade to the Celtics would be to rid them of Crabbe. If the Celtics cannot do that there is no incentive to trade with the Celtics.  You can ignore that fact all you want, but it’s a fact.

Sure, the Nets would like to clear Crabbe's contract off their books, but they can still just sign Russell and Irving outright - they don't need to get rid of it. The incentive I was giving them was picks and I was working on the assumption that it's possible they may not want to keep Russell if they sign Kyrie. In this scenario, they get a couple of picks rather than just watching Russell walk for nothing - which they would likely do if a 2nd max FA (in addition to Kyrie) who was a better fit became available that wanted to sign there.

Here is the thing, if you paying Kyrie the max you aren’t looking looking for draft picks. I mean if they were looking for picks they could get a lot better picks from the Magic, Suns, Bulls, or even Grizzlies whom are all teams who are DYING for a PG and can not only offer a draft pick, they can also take Crabbe’s contract off their hands as well.

And yes if you add Russell’s contract + Crabbe’s  “some” those teams would be over the cap so they wouldn’t just be able to sign Russell straight out as Russell could possibly command more than 20M as again these teams need a PG. in conclusion there is no incentive to trade Russell to the Celtics unless we can RID Crabbe’s contract so they can sign 1 superstar and another great player.

Other wise they might as well keep him and see what Kyrie and Russell can do (Although I don’t see it working)

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

Because BKN can just sign Kyrie as a FA without giving us anything in return; while we cannot sign Russell without shedding a LOT of salary (and good players). I don't necessarily think a couple of late 1sts would really make the difference to them in helping us out, though. They would need to want to move on from Russell while not holding a grudge over Brown/Tatum.

Regardless of whatever point, the only incentive the Nets would have for a trade to the Celtics would be to rid them of Crabbe. If the Celtics cannot do that there is no incentive to trade with the Celtics.  You can ignore that fact all you want, but it’s a fact.

Sure, the Nets would like to clear Crabbe's contract off their books, but they can still just sign Russell and Irving outright - they don't need to get rid of it. The incentive I was giving them was picks and I was working on the assumption that it's possible they may not want to keep Russell if they sign Kyrie. In this scenario, they get a couple of picks rather than just watching Russell walk for nothing - which they would likely do if a 2nd max FA (in addition to Kyrie) who was a better fit became available that wanted to sign there.

Here is the thing, if you paying Kyrie the max you aren’t looking looking for draft picks. I mean if they were looking for picks they could get a lot better picks from the Magic, Suns, Bulls, or even Grizzlies whom are all teams who are DYING for a PG and can not only offer a draft pick, they can also take Crabbe’s contract off their hands as well.

And yes if you add Russell’s contract + Crabbe’s  “some” those teams would be over the cap so they wouldn’t just be able to sign Russell straight out as Russell could possibly command more than 20M as again these teams need a PG. in conclusion there is no incentive to trade Russell to the Celtics unless we can RID Crabbe’s contract so they can sign 1 superstar and another great player.

Other wise they might as well keep him and see what Kyrie and Russell can do (Although I don’t see it working)

If nobody else wants to go to BKN, then sure, sign both and then trade Russell at the deadline or next off-season for a decent package if it's not working out. I was really only describing a scenario where Irving and another max FA decide they want to team up in BKN and BKN would be forced to let Russell walk - they wouldn't be able to sign and trade him since they would have had to release his cap hold to sign those two players.

In this instance, Boston could offer a couple of picks - or whatever - and BKN would still get their two max all-stars and a couple of picks...something they couldn't otherwise get from another team.

But this is so far-fetched. I was just presenting a scenario where we don't get totally hosed by Irving leaving. I don't think it is even remotely likely. Please just let this one go.

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

Because BKN can just sign Kyrie as a FA without giving us anything in return; while we cannot sign Russell without shedding a LOT of salary (and good players). I don't necessarily think a couple of late 1sts would really make the difference to them in helping us out, though. They would need to want to move on from Russell while not holding a grudge over Brown/Tatum.

Regardless of whatever point, the only incentive the Nets would have for a trade to the Celtics would be to rid them of Crabbe. If the Celtics cannot do that there is no incentive to trade with the Celtics.  You can ignore that fact all you want, but it’s a fact.

Sure, the Nets would like to clear Crabbe's contract off their books, but they can still just sign Russell and Irving outright - they don't need to get rid of it. The incentive I was giving them was picks and I was working on the assumption that it's possible they may not want to keep Russell if they sign Kyrie. In this scenario, they get a couple of picks rather than just watching Russell walk for nothing - which they would likely do if a 2nd max FA (in addition to Kyrie) who was a better fit became available that wanted to sign there.

Here is the thing, if you paying Kyrie the max you aren’t looking looking for draft picks. I mean if they were looking for picks they could get a lot better picks from the Magic, Suns, Bulls, or even Grizzlies whom are all teams who are DYING for a PG and can not only offer a draft pick, they can also take Crabbe’s contract off their hands as well.

And yes if you add Russell’s contract + Crabbe’s  “some” those teams would be over the cap so they wouldn’t just be able to sign Russell straight out as Russell could possibly command more than 20M as again these teams need a PG. in conclusion there is no incentive to trade Russell to the Celtics unless we can RID Crabbe’s contract so they can sign 1 superstar and another great player.

Other wise they might as well keep him and see what Kyrie and Russell can do (Although I don’t see it working)

If nobody else wants to go to BKN, then sure, sign both and then trade Russell at the deadline or next off-season for a decent package if it's not working out. I was really only describing a scenario where Irving and another max FA decide they want to team up in BKN and BKN would be forced to let Russell walk - they wouldn't be able to sign and trade him since they would have had to release his cap hold to sign those two players.

In this instance, Boston could offer a couple of picks - or whatever - and BKN would still get their two max all-stars and a couple of picks...something they couldn't otherwise get from another team.

But this is so far-fetched. I was just presenting a scenario where we don't get totally hosed by Irving leaving. I don't think it is even remotely likely. Please just let this one go.

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Literally all you had to say partner 🤷🏽‍♂️

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If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn, I wonder if D'Angelo Russell is a possibility (financially.) I just can't imagine how a Kyrie/Russell backcourt would work considering both guys need the ball in their hands. And what if for example, Jimmy Butler is interesting in playing with Kyrie in Brooklyn.

If Hayward is dealt to Cleveland for JR Smith's partial contract (only $3 million guaranteed) and filler and if Horford is either traded or decides to opt out, does that free up enough cash to go after Russell?

Say they sign him to a 4 year/$70 million dollar offer sheet. Brooklyn decides not to match and the two sides work out a deal where the Cs get Russell and the Nets possibly get a future draft pick from the Celts. The Celts move on with a core of Russell, Brown and Tatum. Is this possible?

Boston won't be dumping Hayward, but a s&t scenario would be possible - because, you know, I am sure BKN wants to do BOS a favor. But, say Kyrie said he was going to BKN and BKN really didn't have any interest in pairing the two, it should be pretty easy to match salaries. Kyrie would count for $20.1M in outgoing salary, while DLO's 1st year would start at $27.25M. Throw in Yabu and a couple of 1sts to get BKN interested and you have successfully averted the tragedy of losing an All-Star PG for nothing.

Now I haven't done the research on this (waiting for nick or BJ to come correct me...and I would welcome the correction if needed) and my preference would absolutely be to re-sign Kyrie for the 5-year max, but getting a different young, all-star PG to replace Kyrie without giving up any real assets allows Danny to move forward with any other grand plans he may have (including AD).

You just traded Kyrie and draft picks for Russell. If Kyrie is by far the best player in the trade, why would the Celtics use their draft picks? Lastly the only reason the Nets would do a trade would not primarily get rid of Crabbe’s contract. Unless the Celtics could take both Russ and Crabbe there would be no benefit in trading with the Celtics.

Because BKN can just sign Kyrie as a FA without giving us anything in return; while we cannot sign Russell without shedding a LOT of salary (and good players). I don't necessarily think a couple of late 1sts would really make the difference to them in helping us out, though. They would need to want to move on from Russell while not holding a grudge over Brown/Tatum.

Regardless of whatever point, the only incentive the Nets would have for a trade to the Celtics would be to rid them of Crabbe. If the Celtics cannot do that there is no incentive to trade with the Celtics.  You can ignore that fact all you want, but it’s a fact.

Sure, the Nets would like to clear Crabbe's contract off their books, but they can still just sign Russell and Irving outright - they don't need to get rid of it. The incentive I was giving them was picks and I was working on the assumption that it's possible they may not want to keep Russell if they sign Kyrie. In this scenario, they get a couple of picks rather than just watching Russell walk for nothing - which they would likely do if a 2nd max FA (in addition to Kyrie) who was a better fit became available that wanted to sign there.

Here is the thing, if you paying Kyrie the max you aren’t looking looking for draft picks. I mean if they were looking for picks they could get a lot better picks from the Magic, Suns, Bulls, or even Grizzlies whom are all teams who are DYING for a PG and can not only offer a draft pick, they can also take Crabbe’s contract off their hands as well.

And yes if you add Russell’s contract + Crabbe’s  “some” those teams would be over the cap so they wouldn’t just be able to sign Russell straight out as Russell could possibly command more than 20M as again these teams need a PG. in conclusion there is no incentive to trade Russell to the Celtics unless we can RID Crabbe’s contract so they can sign 1 superstar and another great player.

Other wise they might as well keep him and see what Kyrie and Russell can do (Although I don’t see it working)

If nobody else wants to go to BKN, then sure, sign both and then trade Russell at the deadline or next off-season for a decent package if it's not working out. I was really only describing a scenario where Irving and another max FA decide they want to team up in BKN and BKN would be forced to let Russell walk - they wouldn't be able to sign and trade him since they would have had to release his cap hold to sign those two players.

In this instance, Boston could offer a couple of picks - or whatever - and BKN would still get their two max all-stars and a couple of picks...something they couldn't otherwise get from another team.

But this is so far-fetched. I was just presenting a scenario where we don't get totally hosed by Irving leaving. I don't think it is even remotely likely. Please just let this one go.

Couldn't Bos and BKN do a double sign in trade with Irving for Russel? Is there some thing against that in the rules. That would be pretty Ideal. That way BKN could still have cap to sign KD.

Or for fantasy reasons, three way were we send out Irving to the nets, and we send Tatum to NO along with Russel and we get AD. AD is rumored to say he'd consider resigning even with out Irving. Smart/Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford is a pretty good line up, and if Rubio is on board for signing cheap, losing Rozier wouldn't be huge, and resign Morris and get Morris for a double twin discount deal Where our Morris has give give part of his contract to he brother. LOL

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/nesn.com/2019/06/nba-rumors-celtics-exploring-trades-to-support-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown/amp/

Don’t know if credible, but this trajectory offers a fun opportunity to play with the trade machine.

How about Dario Saric?
Kind of got lost in ‘sota but was pretty impressive in Philly.

Maybe it would require taking back Dieng and his contract, and executing a sign and trade  (yeah, I know many say that the s&t is dead)
Assuming the S&t is not dead, how about
Marcus Morris for Dieng and RW3 and 14 for Saric.

Sota does this because I think they regret the Dieng contract, and either Terry or Marcus Morris would make Thibs happy.

Saric would slide right into the 4 spot along side the young J’s

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If the warriors keep all top 4 guys for 2-4 years- Building on the J's might be the right way to go

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I am quite torn of the direction the team should take frankly.  I have stated that trading for A Davis and keeping Kyrie is the safest route (though obviously both teams would have to be agreeable to a trade).  But I also get the Kyrie detractors and find him difficult to root for.  The issue I have with the prospect of losing Kyrie is that we would not be able to replace him talent-wise.  And we would need to get lucky to move get to championship status, as I don't see a tandem of Tatum and Brown being nearly enough...ever.