Horford free agency thread: Possibly leaving: Page 10

[SCeltic34]

I realize how important Al was to this team and our offensive sets. But he is 33 years old. A 4 year contract takes him to 38 years old in the last yer of his contract. No thanks.

The posturing that Al will go sign a 4 year contract with another team. No kidding he will. But I don't believe another team will offer him this. Thus he will return to the negotiation table after testing free agency and if the bridge wasn't burned, we can revisit matching whatever 2 or 3 year offer teams are likely to offer him is within our acceptable range. Or he signs elsewhere and we thank him for his tremendous professionalism, watch the youth movement (more minutes for Time Lord) and see what Danny and Co. are able to pull off with a bunch of young cornerstone players already, enough room to sign a max player and league exception player, and a bevy of draft picks moving forward.

I don't see this as doom and gloom at all.

Loss of value.  If he re-signed and we had another miserable season in 2019-2020, we could trade him if he so wished.  We'd get value in return for that.  Players of Horford's caliber are always of high value.  Losing both Kyrie and Horford for absolutely nothing is a gut punch AND a straight kick to the balls.

I don't entirely agree with your comment. His contract (@ 4 years becomes untradeable at his age).

After 1 season?  It'd obviously be less appealing the older he gets, but my post assumed a trade after next season in case we had another bad year.  He'd still be a good addition to a contender in that case.

[SparzWizard]

Just need Hayward to demand a trade at this point.

Yep, because losing 2 guys for nothing wasn’t bad enough. Let’s lose a third for minimal value, when said value can only rise

It would just be the perfect ending to a crap summer so far. I don't want that to happen.

We’ll end up drafting 3 Yabu’s! (joking, I hope)

It could be worse. It could be THREE James Youngs!

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Man ... it's crazy that right now all I can think about for the Celts next year is ping pong balls and how many points Tatum might average.

God, I am terrified of Tatum on a bad team -- the bad habits he might build. I do not trust him without a strong structure around him. He is far too in-love with those contested two point jump shots. If he starts getting 15-20 FGAs on a bad team and starts pumping in lots of points, it could get very hard very quick to keep his shot selection in line.

Stevens is not exactly someone who holds people accountable for their choices offensively.

Tatum is someone I most definitely I want on a winning team with the right culture. He had enough bad habits coming out of college. No need to let them grow bigger. He did so well as a rookie before relapsing last season.

Beware a Jayson Tatum without structure and boundaries.

I don't entirely disagree.  That's part of why I wanted Horford to stay so badly. 


Without Horford I think the wheels really come off this thing.  Horford was the linchpin.  Now they don't have an anchor on defense or a fulcrum on offense.


The Celts are going to be bad and we just have to trust in Brad to figure out how to develop these guys even though they are going to have to reset the entire structure of the gameplan on the fly.

They really could be bad this year, couldn't they? What an jaw-dropping turn of events, too—less than 12 months ago they were viewed as a legit title contender, now they're coming off a very disappointing season and could very well be lotto-bound. Wow.

[Irish Stew]

Why not think about renouncing all our nonguaranteed guys and trade our 3 number ones plus Yabusele for Conley? I think that we could absorb him with just cap space.

[greenrunsdeep41]

Please god let this lead us to signing the Lopez brothers!

[ObjectivityOverBias]

I doubt Al leaves, seriously doubt that, but if he does, maybe there was something to what I was saying. People were sarcastic acting as if I was saying forums members were pushing players out, I was actually referring to the toxic Boston media and the young guys.

I do find it odd that the two vets, the "Older guys" are planning an opt out. Hmmm...

The media and young guys aren't trying to push Al out. I think it's pretty obvious Danny's not willing to pay him what he wants.

Al is not getting big bucks in FA, no more than what BOS can give him. The guy wanted out if he is turning down a BOS deal.

[jpotter33]

I wonder what the money difference is.

[SHAQATTACK]

on the positive side ,  Should be money to sign Larkin 

[celticinorlando]

And we thought the Memphis pick next year was going to be Boston's only lottery pick.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I wonder what the money difference is.

Don't know how reliable Jeff Goodman is, but he's bringing up 4 / $25 million per.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1141130184541790208

[gouki88]

Just need Hayward to demand a trade at this point.

Yep, because losing 2 guys for nothing wasn’t bad enough. Let’s lose a third for minimal value, when said value can only rise

It would just be the perfect ending to a crap summer so far. I don't want that to happen.

We’ll end up drafting 3 Yabu’s! (joking, I hope)

It could be worse. It could be THREE James Youngs!

Don't say that!

[jpotter33]

I wonder what the money difference is.

Don't know how reliable Jeff Goodman is, but he's bringing up 4 / $25 million per.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1141130184541790208

I mean, if that’s what he’s truly seeking then, “Bye bye, Al, it was nice knowing ya!”

Seriously, as much as I love Al I seriously don’t see any team giving him $100M over 4 years. I’m not even sure if I’d do $20M over 4 years.

[Silky]

I hope he doesn't extend Horford. Looks to me as if he's starting over--with Rozier, Brown and Tatum as the core. Unfortunately, he still has Hayward's albatross of a contract. But without Kyrie and Horford, that's a big slice off the cap, and gives him some FA and trading room. Maybe he's looking forward to being a lottery team.

Rozier makes zero sense

[BringToughnessBack]

Guess what everyone, signing Horford to a 100m 4 year deal makes zero sense for where this team is right now. It would halt ability to sign a younger max or two in 21 and would not put us in a position to win a title next year or the year after.

Comments eluding to Danny’s health and woe is me titanic like statements just adds credence to the idea of toxicity in our town. In my opinion, it is in truly poor taste.

I would not sign Horford to 4 year high deal at 25 m per...Not unless I thought I could add another piece that would put us in position to win a title. Horford with current players equals first round win at best. Horford plus fully recovered Hayward means competitive second round at best..Horford plus fully recovered Hayward and monumental leap with Tatum(21 years old) and Brown(22) means possible third round if everything breaks perfectly and other injuries on other teams. Add PG that ignites offense and amazing tram chemistry and yes, we could pull a green rabbit out of our backside and challenge to make finals which I believe is not likely.

4 years, 100m to lock salary in a player that can help us stay competitive but not take us into upper echelon without Kyrie...never would do that. We chased Kyrie from Boston and maybe Kyrie was not Boston worthy but we gave him no chance...now we are left with a team that needs a few years to grow..Horford’s value for us is not as high as it would be for a team like the Clippers or Lakers or even Warriors or Rockets...Dont commit to putting a bandaid on a scab that covers the entire arm in hopes not all of the blood will leak out too soon..rip it off..let the young players grow and turn into giants and show some class for Horford

Amazing now that Kyrie is gone, animosity shifts to  Danny now...we are a toxic basketball town when we don't get our way...

[blink]

I wonder what the money difference is.

Don't know how reliable Jeff Goodman is, but he's bringing up 4 / $25 million per.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1141130184541790208

I mean, if that’s what he’s truly seeking then, “Bye bye, Al, it was nice knowing ya!”

Seriously, as much as I love Al I s

eriously don’t see any team giving him $100M over 4 years. I’m not even sure if I’d do $20M over 4 years.

Yeah 100mil over 4 years is pie in the sky.  Bless Al for all his hard work here, but if that is seriously what he wants, then we shouldn't be doing that anyways.  Those 3rd and 4tth years at 25 million ouch!!!!