Horford free agency thread: Possibly leaving: Page 10

[RodyTur10]

Not if he's healthy and returns to normal next fall. Next.

I used to think that but I think he was a fringe max player to begin with....

I wish him well but he is too redundant with Tatum and Brown in terms of positions.

Hayward was a bad signing at the time to satisfy Stevens.

Not really worth the contract and redundant with Brown on the roster and especially having drafted Tatum.

But at least we still have him! 

Still hope that Hayward succeeds for us. He's a very likeable guy and didn't deserve that horrible injury.

You must have been one of the very few people who thought he was a bad signing at the time. The vast majority of people here were over the moon when he chose us over Miami and Utah.

Yeah, I was a bit confused about that. Probably not many posts by me at the time arguing about it, but certainly not any cheering either. But I was against signing Horford for the max also if Durant wouldn't sign as well. And that worked out really well for the Celtics until now.

[Spicoli]

At this point the only guys i want on the team are Brown, Tatum, and Williams. Literally everyone else can go.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Woj predicts Clippers a likely target for Al; they have two max slots, one for Kawhi. That would be a darn good team, every bit as good as Lakers IMO.

That would be such an easy team to root for

Yep. That would be a nice team to be behind outside of the Celtics.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Man ... it's crazy that right now all I can think about for the Celts next year is ping pong balls and how many points Tatum might average.

God, I am terrified of Tatum on a bad team -- the bad habits he might build. I do not trust him without a strong structure around him. He is far too in-love with those contested two point jump shots. If he starts getting 15-20 FGAs on a bad team and starts pumping in lots of points, it could get very hard very quick to keep his shot selection in line.

Stevens is not exactly someone who holds people accountable for their choices offensively.

Tatum is someone I most definitely I want on a winning team with the right culture. He had enough bad habits coming out of college. No need to let them grow bigger. He did so well as a rookie before relapsing last season.

Beware a Jayson Tatum without structure and boundaries.

I maybe just talking out of my behind here, but this is why I'm happy we have Jaylen Brown.

Jaylen seems to be a leader in the making, and a guy who gets it, I think not only will he help Jayson Tatum, but Tatum will listen to him despite the age gap.

[bdm860]

Danny is such a hack, I want him out of the organization so bad.

Woj is reporting that Danny won't pay Al the 3 year price he's asking for. What better options do you have in the frontcourt over the next three years? The man was the first big time FA we ever signed, other players look at this stuff.


We are being judged harshly around the league by players and agents for the way Danny treats these guys. Yes he owes it to the Celtics to get better first and foremost, but it's a players league.


As sorry as the Lakers are from a management position, they have a great reputation for taking good care of their own guys. Our rep is getting worse.



A new GM and culture would be a shot in the arm. Danny sucks.

You don't know what Horford is asking for.  He may want 3yr/90M.  I certainly wouldn't pay him that on a non-contender.  Don't know which teams Horford thinks are going to give him a 4 year deal.   

Not a really surprising turn of events.  We got Horford because the Hawks offered him a bit less than Max at the time.

Ya this could also be the exact kind of deal that has teams like Washington (with Wall's contract) or Houston (with Paul's contract) in a bind. 

Or it could be like when Dallas didn't want to pay 30 year old Steve Nash because they thought he was too old and wouldn't be worth the money on the back end.  Then he went on to win 2 MVPs, 5 All-NBA awards, and 5 All-Star selections over the next 6 years (the length of the contract Dallas didn't want to give him).

Don't want to overreact now when it may turn out to be the right move in retrospect.

[RodyTur10]

I wouldnt give Horford 4 years.

Me neither. Doesn't make sense for us. You'd only do that if you were a contender during the first two years or so, such that it offsets the danger of the contract becoming a big liability. 

[mctyson]

It is funny, people complained about Al not being worth his contract...then he declines his last year and considers leaving...and everyone freaks out.

[bdm860]

Lol remember when we were all worried about the team having to pay the repeater tax.

[Green-18]

According to reports, Horford has halted discussions with the Celtics for a 3 year deal and will now look for a 4 year deal elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/SteveBHoop/status/1141124460805873665?s=20

well, if Horford does leave, the C's are toast.  what a fall from presumed Eastern Conf champs this preseason to a team looking at missing the playoffs and back in rebuild mode the next. 

have to say, if Kyrie and Horford leave with no AD trade, Danny really needs to take the heat on this mess.  thought he was doing well as a GM but this past season and current offseason has been a real kick in the nuts for fans

This past season is a reinforcement on the fact that the current generation of Superstars aren't interested in coming to/staying in Boston.    I suppose we could second guess Ainge on not selling out for Butler, Leonard, or PG3 throughout the past 3 off-seasons.  On the flip side, my gut tells me that none of them would have wanted to stay long term.   

I also don't believe the Celtics would have been talented enough to contend if they had traded for Butler or George.  Leonard would have certainly made them contenders, at least for a single season.

At the end of the day there's been some bad luck that was out of everyone's control.  The Hayward injury robbed the Celtics of a chance to establish an identity in 2017-18.  Then there's the Kyrie knee surgery, which was inevitable.  The Celtics were going to be screwed at PG regardless of whether or not they made the IT-Irving deal.

It's not everyone favorite answer, but I honestly believe the bad luck and misfortune outweighs the mistakes by Ainge.

[RodyTur10]

At this point the only guys i want on the team are Brown, Tatum, and Williams. Literally everyone else can go.

Hold on a minute. Smart gets to stay as well.

[SHAQATTACK]

this feels like KG and Paul leaving

i hated Danny for that

now I feel like that again. ....

cause it did not matter now

[Sketch5]

Woj predicts Clippers a likely target for Al; they have two max slots, one for Kawhi. That would be a darn good team, every bit as good as Lakers IMO.

That would be such an easy team to root for

Yep. That would be a nice team to be behind outside of the Celtics.

Oh I hope that happens and they beat the Lakers in the playoffs.

[mctyson]

And Danny does deserve significant blame for this. While it’s not completely his fault, as the Hayward injury really set this downfall in motion, he did take several gambles that have failed miserably (hoarding assets for AD, not trading Rozier, not thinning out the roster to assist with chemistry, etc.).

That literally has nothing to do with Horford wanting a 4-year deal vs. the Cs only offering 3.

[gouki88]

Woj predicts Clippers a likely target for Al; they have two max slots, one for Kawhi. That would be a darn good team, every bit as good as Lakers IMO.

That would be such an easy team to root for

Yep. That would be a nice team to be behind outside of the Celtics.

Oh I hope that happens and they beat the Lakers in the playoffs.

That would be almost too good. I need this!

[bdm860]

Just to throw more salt on everyone's wounds...

I can just picture the Philly fans and our own very vocal pro-Process advocates grinning ear to ear about how that rebuild worked and this one didn't.