Robert Williams (Merged Threads)

[nickagneta]

One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.

First off, there is no need for the "get off your high horse" comment, its insulting and disrespectful and against the rules.

Second, I am not judging Williams for what happened, just stating that the Boston Celtics hold no responsibility for anything that has occurred. Williams overslept a conference call before arriving in Boston. Then after he was here a day or two he took off for home then missed a flight back and so missed practice. The Celtics have to hold Williams to the same standard they have been holding rookies to forever and did. Most of those rookies didn't do what Williams did.

Third, seeing immature action after immature action the Cs and Williams decided he needed people around him to help him out. So good for him, I hope it helps him to grow up.

[TheisTheisBaby]

  so it's not HIS FAULT for making these mistakes?  He's 20 years old.  He's an adult.  This is called INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.  I can assume that the OP thinks that a person that robs a liquor store and murders the clerk isn't at fault but society for "forcing" him to do so? 

[Chief Macho]

He missed one flight. Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. already.

[Chris22]

He missed one flight. **** already.

I know, right?

I don't care what he does as long as he gives us hell bent defense and rebounding when he is in the game.

[Sophomore]

I guess this thread is a sign of how hungry we are for real news.

Williams made some mistakes. The team has communicated that this isn't acceptable and they're committing some resources to help him pull it together. I'm glad they did, and I hope he finds his way.

One way or another, we won't know how this works out for a while. Maybe suspend judgment until we've got more than a few days' experience? 

[Chris22]

Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

[Chris22]

Welcome to the Celtics, Mr. Williams.

I wish you much success.

[moiso]

Someone compared Robert to Sean Williams a couple days ago and it has stuck in my head.  They are both very similar.  Sean was a shotblocking/rebounding/defensive specialist with mental issues also.  Sean was highly regarded.  I hope Robert chooses a better path.

[Neurotic Guy]

dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

I am an older guy with no blog experience other than this one, so take my comments for what they’re worth.   Despite annoying tendencies of some posters, many of the annoyances are surpassed by what the poster brings to the table.   Cblog would be a worse “place” without Rollie.  I don’t always agree with or fully understand his posts, but am always glad he’s part of the community. Rollie is value-added.

[celticsclay]

Someone compared Robert to Sean Williams a couple days ago and it has stuck in my head.  They are both very similar.  Sean was a shotblocking/rebounding/defensive specialist with mental issues also.  Sean was highly regarded.  I hope Robert chooses a better path.

Could be, but I also think everyone is overreacting cause of the age of social media. If this happened 15 years ago we might not even know it happened.

[JHTruth]

One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

He clearly isn’t mature and no one is arguing that he is. Given his immaturity, we think getting some help is better for than not, and there really is no argument against that. If you’re salty, you’re salty that we drafted him at all. But there was no other potential future starter on the board, and he was BPA and at our position of greatest need. Plus we have a winning culture.

Cry all you want, it was a great pick. He’s definitely screwed up, but the whole point is the team is supposed to be here to help and guide him.

Lastly, most dissenters in here are displaying “immaturity” by assassinating the character of a poor 20 year old for missing a flight, or writing him off. Maybe some of you guys have “a problem” too.

Frankly I think some posters/Twitter trolls simply have personal issues that go far, far beyond Robert Williams. I mean it says more about someone than it does about RW3 when they begrudge a 20-year old kid bringing in a support system. Every person alive needs a solid support system to succeed in life. Why hate on RW3 for it?

The kid is getting a great lesson in ignoring the haters..

[dreamgreen]

Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?

[celticsclay]

Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

Or drunken practice

[tazzmaniac]

Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

Or drunken practice

If drinks were served at practice, Iverson's rant would have been quite different.   

[JHTruth]

Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?

The returns from practice are very good so far. Focused, coachable..