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Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #570 on: July 05, 2018, 06:39:05 PM »

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Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!


Saying it's an issue is fine but this tone is really grating.  There's worse things to say about it perhaps but I'll leave it there.
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Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #571 on: July 05, 2018, 07:08:00 PM »

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Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #572 on: July 05, 2018, 07:09:08 PM »

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Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?

The returns from practice are very good so far. Focused, coachable..
Good. That is the sort of thing we want to hear. Still t early to know anything definitive, but such talk is welcome.
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Re: structure arriving
« Reply #573 on: July 05, 2018, 07:11:55 PM »

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I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

Yeah, I mean how many other 20 year olds are serial murderers with 8+ bodies on the resumes? Come on now!
Are you speaking for yourself here?  ;D
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Re: structure arriving
« Reply #574 on: July 05, 2018, 07:14:19 PM »

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dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

I am an older guy with no blog experience other than this one, so take my comments for what they’re worth.   Despite annoying tendencies of some posters, many of the annoyances are surpassed by what the poster brings to the table.   Cblog would be a worse “place” without Rollie.  I don’t always agree with or fully understand his posts, but am always glad he’s part of the community. Rollie is value-added.
As a probably even older guy, I second these points. I am glad Rollie is here.
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Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #575 on: July 05, 2018, 07:15:24 PM »

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Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?

The returns from practice are very good so far. Focused, coachable..
Good. That is the sort of thing we want to hear. Still t early to know anything definitive, but such talk is welcome.

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Re: structure arriving
« Reply #576 on: July 05, 2018, 07:24:30 PM »

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One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

He clearly isn’t mature and no one is arguing that he is. Given his immaturity, we think getting some help is better for than not, and there really is no argument against that. If you’re salty, you’re salty that we drafted him at all. But there was no other potential future starter on the board, and he was BPA and at our position of greatest need. Plus we have a winning culture.

Cry all you want, it was a great pick. He’s definitely screwed up, but the whole point is the team is supposed to be here to help and guide him.

Lastly, most dissenters in here are displaying “immaturity” by assassinating the character of a poor 20 year old for missing a flight, or writing him off. Maybe some of you guys have “a problem” too.

Frankly I think some posters/Twitter trolls simply have personal issues that go far, far beyond Robert Williams. I mean it says more about someone than it does about RW3 when they begrudge a 20-year old kid bringing in a support system. Every person alive needs a solid support system to succeed in life. Why hate on RW3 for it?

The kid is getting a great lesson in ignoring the haters..

Frankly, I think this is such a ridiculous post. Nobody "hates" him. In fact, I'm sure all C's fans want him to greatly succeed, as it only improves the team. However, you seem to be missing a lot of key facts. The kid was suspended for what his dad described "as not listening". He then slipped in the draft because teams cited character issues, which speaks volumes. We draft him and then he has two incidents right off the bat. People aren't making this up, this happened. To brush it off is really narrow-minded and I'm curious what those that think it's not a big deal would say if he were on another team. Maturity issues and given lots of cash aren't really a recipe for success, so it's only normal for people to be concerned. In fact, if he didn't have any red flags people wouldn't think much of these two recent incidents. However, the track record is there.

The assistant coach is being brought in as a baby sister, life coach, father figure, chaperone, whatever you want to call it, but ultimately those close to Williams don't feel he's capable of handling basic things (you know, like being at certain places at certain times) like a professional athlete should. That is far different than having a support system like Tatum has. All indications are that Tatum is a responsible professional that doesn't need to be monitored and treated like a child.

Every person alive needs a support system to succeed in life? I'm curious as to how you arrived at that hypothesis. How do you define success? Because there have countless historical examples of people that succeeded without help and having to overcome real life adversity.
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Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #577 on: July 05, 2018, 07:25:47 PM »

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In my Sesame Street days we had just the character for keeping "count" of important things.



Kid had a rough start.

Celtics / NE Fans are probably the most unforgiving and strict out there. Some of them / us are spoiled and petulant - thanks to the New England Bradies.

But I hope that as time goes on Robert understands whats at stake. When these fans are on your side THIS stuff happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV9YnutTB1c

Who can EVER forget the memorable cheering as we were getting blown out by MIA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRFYDWsI9U

Serious stuff here.

Robert is young and will probably make more mistakes. But I'm certain that his GOOD will outweigh his bad.

Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #578 on: July 05, 2018, 07:30:01 PM »

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Leave it to the people of New England to give him a participation trophy for showing up on his 2nd and 3rd days of work.
Leave it to cynical bitter New England sports fans to villify him forever for a couple rookie mistakes.

Forever?

When did 4 days become forever?


When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other.

Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #579 on: July 05, 2018, 07:41:29 PM »

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Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

TP  Drunken posting....now that explains a lot. May try it myself.

With the new marijuana dispensaries opening up. Next step will likely be posting while high. Oh Boy!!!

Re: structure arriving
« Reply #580 on: July 05, 2018, 07:45:03 PM »

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dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

I am an older guy with no blog experience other than this one, so take my comments for what they’re worth.   Despite annoying tendencies of some posters, many of the annoyances are surpassed by what the poster brings to the table.   Cblog would be a worse “place” without Rollie.  I don’t always agree with or fully understand his posts, but am always glad he’s part of the community. Rollie is value-added.
As a probably even older guy, I second these points. I am glad Rollie is here.

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Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
« Reply #581 on: July 05, 2018, 07:51:00 PM »

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Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).

Re: structure arriving
« Reply #582 on: July 05, 2018, 07:51:41 PM »

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Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).

Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
« Reply #583 on: July 05, 2018, 07:52:13 PM »

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Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).

Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
« Reply #584 on: July 05, 2018, 08:48:28 PM »

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Someone compared Robert to Sean Williams a couple days ago and it has stuck in my head.  They are both very similar.  Sean was a shotblocking/rebounding/defensive specialist with mental issues also.  Sean was highly regarded.  I hope Robert chooses a better path.

Could be, but I also think everyone is overreacting cause of the age of social media. If this happened 15 years ago we might not even know it happened.

TP  Hadn't given much thought about how social media has altered how we view and think about news and current events. Now, it's a preoccupation. You're right, 15-20 years ago this would be a non-issue.