Robert Williams (Merged Threads)

[rollie mass]

This type of creative support will not go unnoticed theway the Celtics brought on Jaylen and,Jason and Semi.Now Williams.
Not only are vets getting better and careers re invigorated.
The handling of Robert will impact Kyrie as it shows the quality of organization and will go along way to sooth over Isaiah treatment.
Mental issues are now a NBA concern with Kevin Love stepping up.
Then there is Philly and their miserable track record of draft picks and treatment of Okafor and Nerlens Noel these choices culminated with Fultz forgetting how to shoot and red shirting of Embid,Simmons and Fultz.
Now Simmons is becoming a Kardashian before he can shoot..

The Celtics need to draft a sports psychologist although Brad fits the bill along with Horford.
The players are coming in young with baggage and walking into millions and the glare of social media-

[Celtics4ever]

Folks are making a mountain over a mole hill.  Are you upset you're draft blinkie did not get picked ?   Looking for any flaws in the guy we picked to make you feel better?

Trust me, you don't need to look far or make up stuff once you see his shot you will have all the ammo you need.   But this kid is still an amazing physical talent.  Looking forward to seeing some dunks and blocks!   Hoping being good peeps will help him not become James Young the 2nd.

You sold out Gen X and Y so that you may grow old and profitable at our expense. You're the first generation in American history that had it better than your parents and your children.

Most generations had it better than their parents up to now.   This still can be true, but folks take so much time blaming others than righting their ship.   My wife had no one in her family who was educated, she is a PhD.  My mom was a nurse and my father uneducated and I have a Master's Degree.   I think we are just as well off as they in the long because we used education to balance the scales.   Not everyone can do that.   But we did this by planning and not wasting time blaming others, it's pointless.  My daughter took the education route and she has her masters by 24 and making good money.  My son is going to be a policeman.   Both of them are on decent economic footing because I viewed my job as a father to get my kids ready for the world and teach them to be independent.

[Ogaju]

Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?

Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.

if that makes you feel better about why no team or players wanted him,

[tazzmaniac]

This type of creative support will not go unnoticed theway the Celtics brought on Jaylen and,Jason and Semi.Now Williams.
Not only are vets getting better and careers re invigorated.
The handling of Robert will impact Kyrie as it shows the quality of organization and will go along way to sooth over Isaiah treatment.
Mental issues are now a NBA concern with Kevin Love stepping up.
Then there is Philly and their miserable track record of draft picks and treatment of Okafor and Nerlens Noel these choices culminated with Fultz forgetting how to shoot and red shirting of Embid,Simmons and Fultz.
Now Simmons is becoming a Kardashian before he can shoot..

The Celtics need to draft a sports psychologist although Brad fits the bill along with Horford.
The players are coming in young with baggage and walking into millions and the glare of social media-

I'm going to ignore the rest of the nonsense in your post but how in the heck do you throw Embiid into it.  Embiid missed two seasons due to a foot injury which occurred in college.  Now that he's recovered Embiid has established himself as arguably the best center and a top 10 player in the NBA in 100 games.  Embiid is an unmitigated success story. 

[Ogaju]

One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

[bellerephon]

One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

[kraidstar]

Folks are making a mountain over a mole hill.  Are you upset you're draft blinkie did not get picked ?   Looking for any flaws in the guy we picked to make you feel better?

Trust me, you don't need to look far or make up stuff once you see his shot you will have all the ammo you need.   But this kid is still an amazing physical talent.  Looking forward to seeing some dunks and blocks!   Hoping being good peeps will help him not become James Young the 2nd.

You sold out Gen X and Y so that you may grow old and profitable at our expense. You're the first generation in American history that had it better than your parents and your children.

Most generations had it better than their parents up to now.   This still can be true, but folks take so much time blaming others than righting their ship.   My wife had no one in her family who was educated, she is a PhD.  My mom was a nurse and my father uneducated and I have a Master's Degree.   I think we are just as well off as they in the long because we used education to balance the scales.   Not everyone can do that.   But we did this by planning and not wasting time blaming others, it's pointless.  My daughter took the education route and she has her masters by 24 and making good money.  My son is going to be a policeman.   Both of them are on decent economic footing because I viewed my job as a father to get my kids ready for the world and teach them to be independent.

You're right that mentality plays a big part of success.

But let's not pretend that the noose hasn't been tightening around the necks of the poor and the middle class. Because it has. just walk down the street and see all the giant chain stores everywhere. Those used to be small businesses where a person could make a respectable living with their dignity intact. Now they funnel money into the pockets of corporate parasites and trust fund babies who have never done an honest day's work in their lives.

It's true it's possible to escape poverty. It's also true that a poor person has very little room for error. My family's fortunes was derailed by catastrophic health issues when I was very young. I'm lucky I've gotten to where I am now. Very lucky. A lot of people couldn't have navigated what I went through, and that's not necessarily their fault.

This country is failing at putting people in a position to succeed.

[bellerephon]

One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

I agree that Williams needs to be more responsible and do his job. I also agree that most employers would not be willing to babysit their employees (although it does happen with unusually talented employees). It is also true, however, that professional athletes are in a different category. If a guy has talent, teams will go out of their way to bring him along.

 An extreme example was Josh Hamilton. He was out of MLB due to drug and alcohol abuse. He was able to make a comeback and had some very productive years partially due to the extreme support that the teams set up for him, including a babysitter that was with him most of the time.

Now, Williams is no where near Hamilton either in terms of his issues or his talent, but if a little support can help him realize his talent and contribute to the Celtics I have no problem with that. I'm not dismissing the issue or saying there's nothing to see. It's a concern. But I do think that some people are blowing it out of proportion.

[cltc5]

One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.

[Eddie20]

dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

lol

No clue. I've wondered the same thing as it only causes other, much more relevant topics, to be drowned out because silly topics like Semi boxing out on a free throw attempt or Nader is ambidextrous exist. I would put money that the OP will be creating a lot of Williams' threads this season.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

I can live with him having a babysitter until he matures.

Jayson Tatum's mom lives two floors away from him. What do you call that?

[Sketch5]

One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.

Agreed. Being from a small town, the athletes and kids of well off parents ran the show. If there was a party the athletes and wealthy kids would walk and other kids would take the fall. Some of them ended up in really bad situations once in college.

We don't know what Williams family structure was like, and being big dog in a small town, I'm sure he got what ever he wanted, and the same with college. Good adults are created on the most part, by their parents, and their surroundings. Not everyone gets to grow up the same. I also know kids that one grew up well and the other, not so much. Also new a kid that was the biggest $#@#$ in school and a few years after hichschool ended up being on of the nicest people you could come across. Also the person with the 5th highest GPA in my class ended up getting caught selling cocaine and had to go into witness protection for a few years while they rounded up their suppliers because they snitched. 

Some times a change in environment can do wonders for a person, for either good or bad.

If Williams doens't get it in Boston, there is a good chance he wont.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

"Blame the team"....what a joke and it's the problem with the majority of the youth failing to take responsibility for their own actions. Blame others, never take accountability.


Masterpiece better grow up and quick!

BINGO!

[Vermont Green]

A 20 year old from Texas gets drafted and has to move to Boston and start his new job basically the next day.  I am all for building a support system around these guys (meaning rookies in general).  If his high school assistant coach or trainer or whatever is the right thing, great.  I see no shame whatsoever in the fact that this is needed for this particular player.  He is probably going to have trouble just balancing his checkbook and paying his bills once the season kicks it (which for him is right off).  He seems to be willing to accept the help.  Great.  Now let's see if he can play at the NBA level.