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[petbrick]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

[Silky]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

Ad is a top 5 guys.

But that in no ways means team wins a championship with him.
And
It in no way means he stays past a season.

Tatum might be a top 5 guy
Brown might be a top 10 guy
Draft picks etc.
Team might be like pistons last championship team.

There are more chances for success and less chamces for gross full on rebuild failure with keeping the jays and staying young

[ETNCeltics]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

[nickagneta]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

Absolutely. I am sure the absurd Toronto Raptors agree with this.

[Jiri Welsch]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

Absolutely. I am sure the absurd Toronto Raptors agree with this.

Because you only have a 1/30 chance (and realistically a 1/8 chance if you're a good team) to win a title--I'm not sure the Raptors are the blueprint for consistent NBA success. Back-to-back years of Irving leaving, and then Davis leaving, could really ruin the trajectory of the franchise.

Classic wishy-washy post by yours truly. I guess all I'm saying is it's not so clear-cut to simply say, "the Raptors did it, and it worked. So it's always a smart move."

[seancally]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

I’m glad Danny and Wyc know what it takes to win titles in the NBA. Having Tatum and Brown is a nice consolation prize. It means there’s hope for the future. But Boston is not a franchise whose fans are satisfied with selling hope. We need titles. Stars get titles. Landing a top-5 player is one of the hardest things to do in this league. If you can get one, you go get one. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to believe Tatum or Brown are destined to become a top-5 player. I hope they do! But heck... do we think Brown will becomes Jimmy Butler? Is that enough? Will Tatum be better than Carmelo? I mean none of those scenarios is close to a gaurantee.

[Silky]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

Absolutely. I am sure the absurd Toronto Raptors agree with this.

Toronto gave less for a better player. Amd also got green in the deal.

I dont think its really comparable. I mean I wouldnt trade brown or tatum for demar. Spurs traded the best player in the world for him.

If Toronto lost in the second round the trade was still worth it because they dropped demars terrible contract.

They really didnt risk anything. They needed to move demar...this was an absolute steal of a deal for them.

[nickagneta]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

Ad is a top 5 guys.

But that in no ways means team wins a championship with him.
And
It in no way means he stays past a season.

Tatum might be a top 5 guy
Brown might be a top 10 guy
Draft picks etc.
Team might be like pistons last championship team.

There are more chances for success and less chamces for gross full on rebuild failure with keeping the jays and staying young

No...there really isn't. Youth isn't a guarantee of more chances at success. There are a ton more examples of youth not developing to expectations and young teams being bad than the opposite. If the C's get AD and win a title but he leaves and the Celtics then have to rebuild and be bad for a few years, that's infinitely better success than being in the 5th to 10th seeding area in the conference for the next 5-6 years, which could easily happen if the Jays don't develop into top 20 players.

Now I am not saying that the Jays won't develop and the team could then turn themselves into, at least, an ECF contender or more for several years, just saying there aren't more guaranteed chances of success that way, given that team would likely never have a top 5 player in the league(let's be honest, neither Tatum or Brown have that type of upside). In having AD, even for a year, the Celtics would have that top 5 player and a realistic chance at a title.

There is a bunch of different ways to team build, no one way guaranteed more shots at long term success.

[Silky]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

I’m glad Danny and Wyc know what it takes to win titles in the NBA. Having Tatum and Brown is a nice consolation prize. It means there’s hope for the future. But Boston is not a franchise whose fans are satisfied with selling hope. We need titles. Stars get titles. Landing a top-5 player is one of the hardest things to do in this league. If you can get one, you go get one. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to believe Tatum or Brown are destined to become a top-5 player. I hope they do! But heck... do we think Brown will becomes Jimmy Butler? Is that enough? Will Tatum be better than Carmelo? I mean none of those scenarios is close to a gaurantee.

The question is: which is scenario has the highest probability of coming True?

A) brown becomes butler amd tatum becomes a better carmello amd they add solid role defined players around them and the compete deep into playoffs for a half a decade?

B) they trade everything for davis, he propels a non deap team similarly to what Kawhi did and then agrees to resign long term with the celtics when everything he and his agent has stated so far is the opposite of that. In fact you have to assumr based on the honoring his contract quotes that ue would just go through the motions for the season until he can sign elsewhere.

I firmly believe that the one that has the highest probability of coming true is A

[Silky]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

Ad is a top 5 guys.

But that in no ways means team wins a championship with him.
And
It in no way means he stays past a season.

Tatum might be a top 5 guy
Brown might be a top 10 guy
Draft picks etc.
Team might be like pistons last championship team.

There are more chances for success and less chamces for gross full on rebuild failure with keeping the jays and staying young

No...there really isn't. Youth isn't a guarantee of more chances at success. There are a ton more examples of youth not developing to expectations and young teams being bad than the opposite. If the C's get AD and win a title but he leaves and the Celtics then have to rebuild and be bad for a few years, that's infinitely better success than being in the 5th to 10th seeding area in the conference for the next 5-6 years, which could easily happen if the Jays don't develop into top 20 players.

Now I am not saying that the Jays won't develop and the team could then turn themselves into, at least, an ECF contender or more for several years, just saying there aren't more guaranteed chances of success that way, given that team would likely never have a top 5 player in the league(let's be honest, neither Tatum or Brown have that type of upside). In having AD, even for a year, the Celtics would have that top 5 player and a realistic chance at a title.

There is a bunch of different ways to team build, no one way guaranteed more shots at long term success.

In this instance there is a hugher chance of long term success based off the jays than with davis.

[nickagneta]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

Absolutely. I am sure the absurd Toronto Raptors agree with this.

Toronto gave less for a better player. Amd also got green in the deal.

I dont think its really comparable. I mean I wouldnt trade brown or tatum for demar. Spurs traded the best player in the world for him.

If Toronto lost in the second round the trade was still worth it because they dropped demars terrible contract.

They really didnt risk anything. They needed to move demar...this was an absolute steal of a deal for them.

That's a whole lot of Monday Morning Quarterbacking right there. At the time of the trade Kawhi had been out with injury a whole season. The reports were strong, and still are, that wherever he went other than LA, he would be gone in a year. So no one knew for sure how good or how much Kawhi would be able to play. San Antonio had to include a very good player to package with Kawhi because Kawhi's health was such a question mark.

At the time of the trade, and still today, DeRozan is a way better actual NBA player than anyone the Celtics will be trading for Davis. And Davis is 100% healthy.

The situations aren't exact, but extremely similar.

The Raptors and the Celtics would both be gambling on trying to win it all in one year to convince a top 5 player to remain on their team for more than a year. There is nothing false about that statement.

[tazzmaniac]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

You know what's absurd? Thinking 2020 is the end of the NBA. Barring an asteroid or some other cosmic malady, there will be a 2021 season.

You know what else is absurd? Chucking it all for a one year shot with a guy who's let it known he doesn't want to be here. I'd have thought Irving bailing on us would have been a lesson to those who want to go all in on AD.

Absolutely. I am sure the absurd Toronto Raptors agree with this.

Toronto gave less for a better player. Amd also got green in the deal.

I dont think its really comparable. I mean I wouldnt trade brown or tatum for demar. Spurs traded the best player in the world for him.

If Toronto lost in the second round the trade was still worth it because they dropped demars terrible contract.

They really didnt risk anything. They needed to move demar...this was an absolute steal of a deal for them.

Demar's contract isn't terrible but I agree with your sentiment.  The reason it wasn't risky was the Raptors were a team whose best players were old and there was no where to go but down.  Even without Lebron in the East, they wouldn't have gotten out of the 2nd round if they hadn't made the trade. 

We have the option of building around our young players and picks.  So our worse case scenario is trading young players and picks for AD and then having him walk after the season.   

[gouki88]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

Ad is a top 5 guys.

But that in no ways means team wins a championship with him.
And
It in no way means he stays past a season.

Tatum might be a top 5 guy
Brown might be a top 10 guy
Draft picks etc.
Team might be like pistons last championship team.

There are more chances for success and less chamces for gross full on rebuild failure with keeping the jays and staying young

No...there really isn't. Youth isn't a guarantee of more chances at success. There are a ton more examples of youth not developing to expectations and young teams being bad than the opposite. If the C's get AD and win a title but he leaves and the Celtics then have to rebuild and be bad for a few years, that's infinitely better success than being in the 5th to 10th seeding area in the conference for the next 5-6 years, which could easily happen if the Jays don't develop into top 20 players.

Now I am not saying that the Jays won't develop and the team could then turn themselves into, at least, an ECF contender or more for several years, just saying there aren't more guaranteed chances of success that way, given that team would likely never have a top 5 player in the league(let's be honest, neither Tatum or Brown have that type of upside). In having AD, even for a year, the Celtics would have that top 5 player and a realistic chance at a title.

There is a bunch of different ways to team build, no one way guaranteed more shots at long term success.

In this instance there is a hugher chance of long term success based off the jays than with davis.

Why? Why at all is that the case? The Jays aren't even the best young duo in the league

[nickagneta]

Brad Stevens can turn that roster into a championship, particularly if Leonard and Butler head to LA, although it sounds more likely with Kyrie.

To my mind, Stevens's hallmark so far as an NBA head coach has been that the more talented his team is, the less successful it becomes (and vice versa). I'm not sure that adding another superstar to the roster at the expense of depth plays to his coaching strengths.

Although (and to some degree: of course), better players make a better team most of the time.

In the last decade, teams only win a championship with a top 5 guy:

2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk (probably around the fifth best back then)
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron
2014: Kawhi
2015: Steph
2016: LeBron
2017: KD and Steph
2018: KD and Steph
2019: Kawhi

2020: AD in Boston? Do you really think it’s going to be 2020: Tatum?

Heck, I’d go so far as to say that 2019: Kawhi entry would be for Boston had we traded Brown and Rozier last year. We cannot make the same mistake. It’s absurd how this forum thinks Tatum and/or Brown will blossom into top five guys. Maybe top 10-20. They will almost surely never be as good as AD is today, particularly with AD as the fourth or fifth best player in the league after Kawhi, KD, Curry and LeBron.

Ad is a top 5 guys.

But that in no ways means team wins a championship with him.
And
It in no way means he stays past a season.

Tatum might be a top 5 guy
Brown might be a top 10 guy
Draft picks etc.
Team might be like pistons last championship team.

There are more chances for success and less chamces for gross full on rebuild failure with keeping the jays and staying young

No...there really isn't. Youth isn't a guarantee of more chances at success. There are a ton more examples of youth not developing to expectations and young teams being bad than the opposite. If the C's get AD and win a title but he leaves and the Celtics then have to rebuild and be bad for a few years, that's infinitely better success than being in the 5th to 10th seeding area in the conference for the next 5-6 years, which could easily happen if the Jays don't develop into top 20 players.

Now I am not saying that the Jays won't develop and the team could then turn themselves into, at least, an ECF contender or more for several years, just saying there aren't more guaranteed chances of success that way, given that team would likely never have a top 5 player in the league(let's be honest, neither Tatum or Brown have that type of upside). In having AD, even for a year, the Celtics would have that top 5 player and a realistic chance at a title.

There is a bunch of different ways to team build, no one way guaranteed more shots at long term success.

In this instance there is a hugher chance of long term success based off the jays than with davis.

Do not agree, though maybe it's because we define success differently. I would rather have a tremendous one year chance to win a title and no chance for 4 years, than no chance to win it next year and only a tiny to middling chance to win it over the next 4 years.