Hayward update:Stevens says out for year

[nickagneta]

New vid of Hayward jogging.

https://twitter.com/PlayersTribune/status/980795803521478656

the secret weapon is almost ready

Yeah, that looks like quite the opposite to me.  Looks to be a long ways away and kinda looks fat (for a world class athlete that is).

Seems on track to 2018-2019 to me.

What are you guys basing this on?  Sounds like complete speculation.

Are players who are jogging on the court almost always 3+ months away from returning to action?

Stevens estimated him at 20% speed.  Say next week 40%.  Then 60%.  Three weeks from now 80%.  That slow progression has him running full speed in a month.  Another ~3 weeks of jumping, strengthening, lateral drills, contact drills.  That brings us to the ECF.  If he still hasn't seen any swelling from practicing at full contact, do you still sit him out?

I find it funny that some people think it's less likely a player progresses regularly, and more likely they stall or setback their recovery.  And of course, coming along ahead of schedule is impossible.  If you're gonna speculate, you might as well speculate BOTH ways.

Hayward, who planned on playing again this year, has suffered one 2 week setback.  He has continued to progress normally for the other 6 months of his rehab.  Assuming he wasn't just expecting to come back for the last 2 weeks, a single 2 week setback isn't a death sentence.  If the Celtics go far into the playoffs, it is still doable.  There's 11 weeks of basketball left.

Stevens said he might make the Washington trip.  Obviously not dressed to play or anything, but having him there and practicing with the team is another huge step toward coming back.

Its being reported he is doing limited jogging only 3 times per week to allow for therapy in between. He isn't going to be going to 40% speed in one week then up to 80% 2 weeks later. He isn't even jogging everyday! He might not even being to the point of being able to run full speed and jump by the time the playoffs are over. Your timeline is simply not possible.

[Moranis]

New vid of Hayward jogging.

https://twitter.com/PlayersTribune/status/980795803521478656

the secret weapon is almost ready

Yeah, that looks like quite the opposite to me.  Looks to be a long ways away and kinda looks fat (for a world class athlete that is).

Seems on track to 2018-2019 to me.

What are you guys basing this on?  Sounds like complete speculation.

Are players who are jogging on the court almost always 3+ months away from returning to action?

Stevens estimated him at 20% speed.  Say next week 40%.  Then 60%.  Three weeks from now 80%.  That slow progression has him running full speed in a month.  Another ~3 weeks of jumping, strengthening, lateral drills, contact drills.  That brings us to the ECF.  If he still hasn't seen any swelling from practicing at full contact, do you still sit him out?

I find it funny that some people think it's less likely a player progresses regularly, and more likely they stall or setback their recovery.  And of course, coming along ahead of schedule is impossible.  If you're gonna speculate, you might as well speculate BOTH ways.

Hayward, who planned on playing again this year, has suffered one 2 week setback.  He has continued to progress normally for the other 6 months of his rehab.  Assuming he wasn't just expecting to come back for the last 2 weeks, a single 2 week setback isn't a death sentence.  If the Celtics go far into the playoffs, it is still doable.  There's 11 weeks of basketball left.

Stevens said he might make the Washington trip.  Obviously not dressed to play or anything, but having him there and practicing with the team is another huge step toward coming back.

Its being reported he is doing limited jogging only 3 times per week to allow for therapy in between. He isn't going to be going to 40% speed in one week then up to 80% 2 weeks later. He isn't even jogging everyday! He might not even being to the point of being able to run full speed and jump by the time the playoffs are over. Your timeline is simply not possible.

plus Stevens flat out said he isn't playing this year, but what woild he know.

[liam]

I don't think there would be any point to bringing back a player who isn't in game shape half way through the playoffs.

[RockinRyA]

New vid of Hayward jogging.

https://twitter.com/PlayersTribune/status/980795803521478656

the secret weapon is almost ready

Yeah, that looks like quite the opposite to me.  Looks to be a long ways away and kinda looks fat (for a world class athlete that is).

Seems on track to 2018-2019 to me.

What are you guys basing this on?  Sounds like complete speculation.

Are players who are jogging on the court almost always 3+ months away from returning to action?

Stevens estimated him at 20% speed.  Say next week 40%.  Then 60%.  Three weeks from now 80%.  That slow progression has him running full speed in a month.  Another ~3 weeks of jumping, strengthening, lateral drills, contact drills.  That brings us to the ECF.  If he still hasn't seen any swelling from practicing at full contact, do you still sit him out?

I find it funny that some people think it's less likely a player progresses regularly, and more likely they stall or setback their recovery.  And of course, coming along ahead of schedule is impossible.  If you're gonna speculate, you might as well speculate BOTH ways.

Hayward, who planned on playing again this year, has suffered one 2 week setback.  He has continued to progress normally for the other 6 months of his rehab.  Assuming he wasn't just expecting to come back for the last 2 weeks, a single 2 week setback isn't a death sentence.  If the Celtics go far into the playoffs, it is still doable.  There's 11 weeks of basketball left.

Stevens said he might make the Washington trip.  Obviously not dressed to play or anything, but having him there and practicing with the team is another huge step toward coming back.

Its being reported he is doing limited jogging only 3 times per week to allow for therapy in between. He isn't going to be going to 40% speed in one week then up to 80% 2 weeks later. He isn't even jogging everyday! He might not even being to the point of being able to run full speed and jump by the time the playoffs are over. Your timeline is simply not possible.

Agree.

[mgent]

New vid of Hayward jogging.

https://twitter.com/PlayersTribune/status/980795803521478656

the secret weapon is almost ready

Yeah, that looks like quite the opposite to me.  Looks to be a long ways away and kinda looks fat (for a world class athlete that is).

Seems on track to 2018-2019 to me.

What are you guys basing this on?  Sounds like complete speculation.

Are players who are jogging on the court almost always 3+ months away from returning to action?

Stevens estimated him at 20% speed.  Say next week 40%.  Then 60%.  Three weeks from now 80%.  That slow progression has him running full speed in a month.  Another ~3 weeks of jumping, strengthening, lateral drills, contact drills.  That brings us to the ECF.  If he still hasn't seen any swelling from practicing at full contact, do you still sit him out?

I find it funny that some people think it's less likely a player progresses regularly, and more likely they stall or setback their recovery.  And of course, coming along ahead of schedule is impossible.  If you're gonna speculate, you might as well speculate BOTH ways.

Hayward, who planned on playing again this year, has suffered one 2 week setback.  He has continued to progress normally for the other 6 months of his rehab.  Assuming he wasn't just expecting to come back for the last 2 weeks, a single 2 week setback isn't a death sentence.  If the Celtics go far into the playoffs, it is still doable.  There's 11 weeks of basketball left.

Stevens said he might make the Washington trip.  Obviously not dressed to play or anything, but having him there and practicing with the team is another huge step toward coming back.

Its being reported he is doing limited jogging only 3 times per week to allow for therapy in between. He isn't going to be going to 40% speed in one week then up to 80% 2 weeks later. He isn't even jogging everyday! He might not even being to the point of being able to run full speed and jump by the time the playoffs are over. Your timeline is simply not possible.

So, I knew you were just pulling this out your you know what, but figured I'd wait for the report before calling you out.   

"Gordon's making great strides," Ainge said. "He's sprinting, he's jumping a little bit, he's cutting a little bit, he's gaining a lot of momentum. I think that he's in a good place mentally because he's seeing and feeling the light at the end of the tunnel of being able to return and being himself. I think he's starting to see and feel that some.

I leave the hotel every morning at about 9:30 am and don’t get back til about 6 pm. We do a lot of running mechanics, physical therapy, a lift of some sort, and then court work for another few hours. It’s a full day, every day. I’m definitely moving along as planned, and progressing really well.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2018/05/danny_ainges_answer_on_gordon_hayward_is_still_a_big_no

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/05/11/gordon-hayward-recovery-celtics-cavaliers-nba-playoffs/


I questioned a couple people who were completely speculating, and all you did was respond with more complete speculation.  Please explain why you are so quick to say my thoughts/predictions are "simply not possible," while at the same time throwing your opinions out there and assuming you're fool proof?

I will gladly eat my crow re: Hayward not returning this year.  The fan in me didn't want us to be overly cautious, but I can admit it's the prudent move.  Regardless, Hayward will very likely be playing basketball before the playoffs are over, even if it won't be in uniform.  And he's definitely jumping and running at full speed by now.  My guess is we're probably a couple weeks away from him posting a video of himself dunking or something of the like.

[cman88]

Glad to see that both Hayward is almost back to himself. This team will be truly special next year with both Kyrie/Hayward back.

[celticinorlando]

Cannot wait to see this team next season

[CelticsElite]

What if he is able to come back for the nba finals? Imagine the storyline and excitement in the garden if  he suits up