Monroe Buyout / Signing with Celtics (merged threads)

[OHCeltic]

This is how i see the line ups:

Irving                Rozier
Brown               Smart
Tatum                Evans
Horford              Morris
Monroe              Baynes
(after learning system)

[tarheelsxxiii]

What a huge nab for us, especially since it only cost us Hayward’s ankle! 

Seriously, though, if we add a Williams or Reke in addition to Moose, look out NBA, because we have a legitimate shot of hanging Banner 18 this year!

Do you genuinely believe that? You could add both and we wouldn't beat GS imo.  IF we got past LBJ (still doubtful imo), I'd expect a gentleman's sweep at best.  Our best player may not bew the 3rd best player in a series against GS.  It really isn't even close. 

Ye of little faith.

We absolutely have a legitimate shot of not just getting to the Finals, but posing a serious threat to GSW.

I mean, if we still had IT instead of Kyrie, we might not even make the playoffs, but I digress. bait/troll

fyp

i got 10 days for baiting/trolling.  you guys are something else.  happy for you. 

get back to me when celtics lose to CLE lol.  that should be preferable, actually - at least it could be close. GSW would crush all of the homeristic hopes and dreams around here.  it'd be painful to watch.

[Monkhouse]

Why are you guys so infatuated with giving up Yabusele...

Horford has spoken highly of his potential.

Even though salaries match, I would rather like to hold onto him... I think he has very high ceiling, and if there is anyone who can bring it out of him, it's Horford who has taken a veteran leadership and mentoring role, and of course Brad Stevens.

(If only, if only, his salary didn't match Evans...) Sigh... 

Umm he's been in the league two years and hasn't done ****

Incorrect, he was draft and stashed overseas....

Do you guys just hate and become impatient with prospects when they don't meet your expectations? You do realize Ainge has explicitly said himself he's a project, and would take at least 2-3 years to develop?

[tarheelsxxiii]

What a huge nab for us, especially since it only cost us Hayward’s ankle! 

Seriously, though, if we add a Williams or Reke in addition to Moose, look out NBA, because we have a legitimate shot of hanging Banner 18 this year!

Do you genuinely believe that? You could add both and we wouldn't beat GS imo.  IF we got past LBJ (still doubtful imo), I'd expect a gentleman's sweep at best.  Our best player may not bew the 3rd best player in a series against GS.  It really isn't even close.

Have you watched any of Cleveland lately? We’d clearly be the favorites (along with Toronto) in that series right now, and that’s before even discussing Love’s injury and us adding Monroe, let alone the possibility of Hayward coming back or us adding a Tyreke or Lou.

As for GS, I don’t understand why people think they’re invincible. We’ve *literally* played them point for point this year in our two matchups. They’re one of the best teams in decades, but they are beatable in the right matchup, which we happen to matchup very well with them. Sure, they’ll be favored over us, but people acting like it wouldn’t even be a series haven’t been watching the same basketball the rest of us have this season.

I haven't watched a single CLE game all year.  Nothing has changed... they struggle and don't care about the regular season (again).  They'll again go from worst to best in defense come playoffs.  Superstars play for championships. 

And again, you're comparing regular seasons.  Celts are 5x more motivated in these games.  GSW learned from their record-breaking season and now coast to the playoffs in good health.  I'd fully expect them to win in 4 or 5.  The talent discrepancy is truly laughable.

let's stop beating around the bush, actually.  if the Celts are fortunate to make the Finals, i'll bet you all of my TPs that GSW wins it.  deal? 

[Monkhouse]

What a huge nab for us, especially since it only cost us Hayward’s ankle! 

Seriously, though, if we add a Williams or Reke in addition to Moose, look out NBA, because we have a legitimate shot of hanging Banner 18 this year!

Do you genuinely believe that? You could add both and we wouldn't beat GS imo.  IF we got past LBJ (still doubtful imo), I'd expect a gentleman's sweep at best.  Our best player may not bew the 3rd best player in a series against GS.  It really isn't even close. 

Ye of little faith.

We absolutely have a legitimate shot of not just getting to the Finals, but posing a serious threat to GSW.

I mean, if we still had IT instead of Kyrie, we might not even make the playoffs, but I digress. bait/troll

fyp

i got 10 days for baiting/trolling.  you guys are something else.  happy for you. 

get back to me when celtics lose to CLE lol.  that should be preferable, actually - at least it could be close. GSW would crush all of the homeristic hopes and dreams around here.  it'd be painful to watch.

I still don't believe we can realistically beat CLE in 7 game series.

Yes our defense is better, and we have more depth. But Lebron can take over playoff games singlehandley. To be honest, I would've preferred them to match up with Wizards or Raptors to force them out or get too fatigued for next round.

[Sophomore]

Was really happy about Monroe, and still happy.

I had a kid-in-a-candy-store moment a few minutes ago, though, when I saw this:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248811/Magic-Exploring-Trade-Market-On-Aaron-Gordon

Given that he's on the end of his contract, the price would not have included the Jays; maybe a pick and salary filler. We went with Monroe, which makes me think we won't be in it.

Maybe it's even better to have a different type of player, in Monroe, to give the team more versatility, so we can play different ways. I did have a minute, though, of thinking about Horford-Gordon-Tatum-Brown-Irving as a closing 5. Small-ball unit speed and athleticism, five shooters, great length and switch ability. That, to me, is definitely a finals team. Hopefully true of Monroe + whoever we get as a bench scorer as well!!

[jpotter33]

What a huge nab for us, especially since it only cost us Hayward’s ankle! 

Seriously, though, if we add a Williams or Reke in addition to Moose, look out NBA, because we have a legitimate shot of hanging Banner 18 this year!

Do you genuinely believe that? You could add both and we wouldn't beat GS imo.  IF we got past LBJ (still doubtful imo), I'd expect a gentleman's sweep at best.  Our best player may not bew the 3rd best player in a series against GS.  It really isn't even close.

Have you watched any of Cleveland lately? We’d clearly be the favorites (along with Toronto) in that series right now, and that’s before even discussing Love’s injury and us adding Monroe, let alone the possibility of Hayward coming back or us adding a Tyreke or Lou.

As for GS, I don’t understand why people think they’re invincible. We’ve *literally* played them point for point this year in our two matchups. They’re one of the best teams in decades, but they are beatable in the right matchup, which we happen to matchup very well with them. Sure, they’ll be favored over us, but people acting like it wouldn’t even be a series haven’t been watching the same basketball the rest of us have this season.

I haven't watched a single CLE game all year.  Nothing has changed... they struggle and don't care about the regular season (again).  They'll again go from worst to best in defense come playoffs.  Superstars play for championships. 

And again, you're comparing regular seasons.  Celts are 5x more motivated in these games.  GSW learned from their record-breaking season and now coast to the playoffs in good health.  I'd fully expect them to win in 4 or 5.  The talent discrepancy is truly laughable.

Wait, wait, wait, wait... you’ve been so vehemently defending this as just another Cleveland January slump, yet you’ve *literally* not watched a Cleveland game all year?! Are you kidding me? Yeah, that seems.... illogical. Perhaps you should actually watch them play first before arguing about them. There’s a reason virtually everyone (outside of Nick Wright) is screaming “this time is different” with the Cavs.

As for GS, that argument simply does not apply to them. They actually do play hard in the regular season, as evidenced by them winning 73 and 67 games the last two years. This notion that every good team is like the past years’ Cavs and coasts through large portions of the regular season to this degree is just nonsensical, especially with GS who proved that they do care about the regular season by going so hard for the all-time single season record!

[cons]

they need to train him to do nothing except box out tristan thompson.  if he can provide that one essential and previously non existent service then i feel good about our chances.

[jpotter33]

What a huge nab for us, especially since it only cost us Hayward’s ankle! 

Seriously, though, if we add a Williams or Reke in addition to Moose, look out NBA, because we have a legitimate shot of hanging Banner 18 this year!

Do you genuinely believe that? You could add both and we wouldn't beat GS imo.  IF we got past LBJ (still doubtful imo), I'd expect a gentleman's sweep at best.  Our best player may not bew the 3rd best player in a series against GS.  It really isn't even close.

Have you watched any of Cleveland lately? We’d clearly be the favorites (along with Toronto) in that series right now, and that’s before even discussing Love’s injury and us adding Monroe, let alone the possibility of Hayward coming back or us adding a Tyreke or Lou.

As for GS, I don’t understand why people think they’re invincible. We’ve *literally* played them point for point this year in our two matchups. They’re one of the best teams in decades, but they are beatable in the right matchup, which we happen to matchup very well with them. Sure, they’ll be favored over us, but people acting like it wouldn’t even be a series haven’t been watching the same basketball the rest of us have this season.

I haven't watched a single CLE game all year.  Nothing has changed... they struggle and don't care about the regular season (again).  They'll again go from worst to best in defense come playoffs.  Superstars play for championships. 

And again, you're comparing regular seasons.  Celts are 5x more motivated in these games.  GSW learned from their record-breaking season and now coast to the playoffs in good health.  I'd fully expect them to win in 4 or 5.  The talent discrepancy is truly laughable.

let's stop beating around the bush, actually.  if the Celts are fortunate to make the Finals, i'll bet you all of my TPs that GSW wins it.  deal?

I’m not making that bet lol I literally said they’d still be the favorites, but it’d be a competitive series.

However, I would make a bet that barring injuries we would give them at least a competitive six game series.

[cltc5]

That’s absurd.  Yabusele was chosen over keeping Jordan Mickey, and he was kept ahead of Ante Zizic.  He’s looked as advertised — a guy with a lot of raw talent who has a long way to go.  Who knows what will become of that talent, and ultimately it will help him to be traded somewhere that he has a chance to play, but he has value to NBA teams looking towards the future.

My old kitchen table would have been kept over Jordan Mickey. Keeping someone who might be an NBA player (however unlikely) over someone who clearly isn't is a no-brainer. I've seen no indication that Cleveland wanted Yabusele over Zizic, though admittedly it's not something I've dwelled on.

Don't know where you see talent -- I see a guy who is routinely outsized and overmatched. And there's the fact that he has had conditioning issues throughout his career to boot. Mark my words, he won't last his rookie contract in the NBA.

Not losing sleep if the team sends him packing to get a real player.

I am marking your words Koz, because Yabusele's shooting will keep him in the NBA longer that that.

I expect him to be a starter and a difficult matchup offensively for most teams. The struggle will be getting his defense up to par. At least he is putting in the effort on that side of the court.

What is the [dang] fascination around here with holding onto these bum projects!  People boo hoped about James young and he's done nothing but rot on the bench his whole career.  And ya I barely gets garbage minutes.  Semi is already getting minutes over him.  Good lord learn to recognize talent

[KGs Knee]

What a huge nab for us, especially since it only cost us Hayward’s ankle! 

Seriously, though, if we add a Williams or Reke in addition to Moose, look out NBA, because we have a legitimate shot of hanging Banner 18 this year!

Do you genuinely believe that? You could add both and we wouldn't beat GS imo.  IF we got past LBJ (still doubtful imo), I'd expect a gentleman's sweep at best.  Our best player may not bew the 3rd best player in a series against GS.  It really isn't even close. 

Ye of little faith.

We absolutely have a legitimate shot of not just getting to the Finals, but posing a serious threat to GSW.

I mean, if we still had IT instead of Kyrie, we might not even make the playoffs, but I digress. bait/troll

fyp

i got 10 days for baiting/trolling.  you guys are something else.  happy for you. 

get back to me when celtics lose to CLE lol.  that should be preferable, actually - at least it could be close. GSW would crush all of the homeristic hopes and dreams around here.  it'd be painful to watch.

Stop projecting.   I have way better things to do with my time than troll you, or anyone else for that matter.

It's a 100% legitimate opinion. IT missed nearly all of the first half of the season, and has since come back a seeming shell of his former self. We'd be fighting just to stay in the playoffs with Rozier/Smart running the point for the first half of the season, and then trying to incorporate a clearly diminished IT back into the rotation.

But as I said, I digress. The point is we have absolutely have a shot at beating either CLE or GSW.

[GreenEnvy]

What a huge nab for us, especially since it only cost us Hayward’s ankle! 

Seriously, though, if we add a Williams or Reke in addition to Moose, look out NBA, because we have a legitimate shot of hanging Banner 18 this year!

Do you genuinely believe that? You could add both and we wouldn't beat GS imo.  IF we got past LBJ (still doubtful imo), I'd expect a gentleman's sweep at best.  Our best player may not bew the 3rd best player in a series against GS.  It really isn't even close.

Have you watched any of Cleveland lately? We’d clearly be the favorites (along with Toronto) in that series right now, and that’s before even discussing Love’s injury and us adding Monroe, let alone the possibility of Hayward coming back or us adding a Tyreke or Lou.

As for GS, I don’t understand why people think they’re invincible. We’ve *literally* played them point for point this year in our two matchups. They’re one of the best teams in decades, but they are beatable in the right matchup, which we happen to matchup very well with them. Sure, they’ll be favored over us, but people acting like it wouldn’t even be a series haven’t been watching the same basketball the rest of us have this season.

I haven't watched a single CLE game all year.  Nothing has changed... they struggle and don't care about the regular season (again).  They'll again go from worst to best in defense come playoffs.  Superstars play for championships. 

And again, you're comparing regular seasons.  Celts are 5x more motivated in these games.  GSW learned from their record-breaking season and now coast to the playoffs in good health.  I'd fully expect them to win in 4 or 5.  The talent discrepancy is truly laughable.

Wait, wait, wait, wait... you’ve been so vehemently defending this as just another Cleveland January slump, yet you’ve *literally* not watched a Cleveland game all year?! Are you kidding me? Yeah, that seems.... illogical. Perhaps you should actually watch them play first before arguing about them. There’s a reason virtually everyone (outside of Nick Wright) is screaming “this time is different” with the Cavs.

As for GS, that argument simply does not apply to them. They actually do play hard in the regular season, as evidenced by them winning 73 and 67 games the last two years. This notion that every good team is like the past years’ Cavs and coasts through large portions of the regular season to this degree is just nonsensical, especially with GS who proved that they do care about the regular season by going so hard for the all-time single season record!

I agree about the Cavs. They are a different team now and struggling like never before. They have to show us something this time that makes us think it will be the same. I think they are in trouble.

As for GSW. Yes they come out swinging every night. And no, I don’t think they are as good as last year nor will they have as easy/fortunate a path to the Finals this year. But they are clearly still the team to beat. They embarrassed everyone in their way last spring. But I am not one who thinks they are invincible. I think they can be beat.

[RodyTur10]

That’s absurd.  Yabusele was chosen over keeping Jordan Mickey, and he was kept ahead of Ante Zizic.  He’s looked as advertised — a guy with a lot of raw talent who has a long way to go.  Who knows what will become of that talent, and ultimately it will help him to be traded somewhere that he has a chance to play, but he has value to NBA teams looking towards the future.

My old kitchen table would have been kept over Jordan Mickey. Keeping someone who might be an NBA player (however unlikely) over someone who clearly isn't is a no-brainer. I've seen no indication that Cleveland wanted Yabusele over Zizic, though admittedly it's not something I've dwelled on.

Don't know where you see talent -- I see a guy who is routinely outsized and overmatched. And there's the fact that he has had conditioning issues throughout his career to boot. Mark my words, he won't last his rookie contract in the NBA.

Not losing sleep if the team sends him packing to get a real player.

I am marking your words Koz, because Yabusele's shooting will keep him in the NBA longer that that.

I expect him to be a starter and a difficult matchup offensively for most teams. The struggle will be getting his defense up to par. At least he is putting in the effort on that side of the court.

What is the [dang] fascination around here with holding onto these bum projects!  People boo hoped about James young and he's done nothing but rot on the bench his whole career.  And ya I barely gets garbage minutes.  Semi is already getting minutes over him.  Good lord learn to recognize talent

And there's Rozier who shot 27% from the field for 1.8 PPG in his rookie year and see what strides he has made in two years.

I don't have much faith in Yabusele myself, but it's early to write him off.

[ETNCeltics]

Couldn't disagree more with the people who think we can't beat Cleveland. Lebron was playing out of his mind earlier this year, and they still were far from elite. Now he's taking a break and they're not very good at all. All the injuries, inconsistent play, rookies and everything else we've had going on, we're still 6 games ahead of them.

LBJ had a superstar alongside him the last few years that isn't there any longer. If IT doesn't get himself straightened out by playoff time, not only do I think we have a chance, I think we'll beat them. And just a month ago, I would've disagreed entirely with that notion.

Their roster is a mess, and they're horribly coached. Maybe our young guys will struggle in the playoffs, LBJ goes John Wick on us, and they get past us. But personally, I think Toronto represents just as great a threat to us as CLE, maybe even moreso.

[Chris22]

they need to train him to do nothing except box out tristan thompson.  if he can provide that one essential and previously non existent service then i feel good about our chances.

How about training the entire team to box out?
No one does it, except maybe Horford.