WojBomb - Cavs evaluating options after IT physical...

[RJ87]

To me, it seems like IT would have to be significantly worse than the C's doctors thought in order for this report to be legit - like losing a month of the season to rehab versus a whole season to surgery. That seems unlikely that the two sides could have such disparate medical opinions.

That's why I'm leaning more towards this being a ploy to get more. Or at least it could be them trying to offload Shump in the deal, too.

It's probably more of a ploy, but if they're trying to move Shumpert, that's going to be a complete deal breaker.  The Celtics don't have any more salary to send out to match.  They're not sending out Tatum, which is what it takes to match that salary.

But it's possible that the Cavs doctors really feel that rehab just won't work for IT's hip, and that surgery is the only option.  That could easily be a six-month recovery time.  Early reports from IT's injury indicated that surgery was likely, and many were surprised when rehab was the way IT and the Celtics were going.  The Cavs doctor/training staff having a difference of opinion from the Celtics is still unlikely, but the possibility may be elevated in this case if IT's case was borderline as to what to do.

Like I have said numerous times, IT was very much at risk of having surgery before the trade happened so it is perfectly normal for an independent medical staff to determine that, yes, he might need surgery after all.

I think people really need to consider the ethical ramifications here for Cleveland's doctors and relax with the "ploy" talk.  That conclusion insinuates that that their staff is concocting a false diagnosis and/or proposing a more risky and serious treatment just to please Dan Gilbert.

Exactly. There's credibility at stake here. In the medical profession, you're credibility and reputation are as important as skill level. IT needing surgery for an injury that commonly requires surgery is far more plausible than some vast conspiracy to get an extra draft pick from Danny Ainge 

[cltc5]

To me, it seems like IT would have to be significantly worse than the C's doctors thought in order for this report to be legit - like losing a month of the season to rehab versus a whole season to surgery. That seems unlikely that the two sides could have such disparate medical opinions.

That's why I'm leaning more towards this being a ploy to get more. Or at least it could be them trying to offload Shump in the deal, too.

It's probably more of a ploy, but if they're trying to move Shumpert, that's going to be a complete deal breaker.  The Celtics don't have any more salary to send out to match.  They're not sending out Tatum, which is what it takes to match that salary.

But it's possible that the Cavs doctors really feel that rehab just won't work for IT's hip, and that surgery is the only option.  That could easily be a six-month recovery time.  Early reports from IT's injury indicated that surgery was likely, and many were surprised when rehab was the way IT and the Celtics were going.  The Cavs doctor/training staff having a difference of opinion from the Celtics is still unlikely, but the possibility may be elevated in this case if IT's case was borderline as to what to do.

Like I have said numerous times, IT was very much at risk of having surgery before the trade happened so it is perfectly normal for an independent medical staff to determine that, yes, he might need surgery after all.

I think people really need to consider the ethical ramifications here for Cleveland's doctors and relax with the "ploy" talk.  That conclusion insinuates that that their staff is concocting a false diagnosis and/or proposing a more risky and serious treatment just to please Dan Gilbert.

Exactly. There's credibility at stake here. In the medical profession, you're credibility and reputation are as important as skill level. IT needing surgery for an injury that commonly requires surgery is far more plausible than some vast conspiracy to get an extra draft pick from Danny Ainge

Not when lebron James is the owner 

[Eja117]

To me, it seems like IT would have to be significantly worse than the C's doctors thought in order for this report to be legit - like losing a month of the season to rehab versus a whole season to surgery. That seems unlikely that the two sides could have such disparate medical opinions.

That's why I'm leaning more towards this being a ploy to get more. Or at least it could be them trying to offload Shump in the deal, too.

It's probably more of a ploy, but if they're trying to move Shumpert, that's going to be a complete deal breaker.  The Celtics don't have any more salary to send out to match.  They're not sending out Tatum, which is what it takes to match that salary.

But it's possible that the Cavs doctors really feel that rehab just won't work for IT's hip, and that surgery is the only option.  That could easily be a six-month recovery time.  Early reports from IT's injury indicated that surgery was likely, and many were surprised when rehab was the way IT and the Celtics were going.  The Cavs doctor/training staff having a difference of opinion from the Celtics is still unlikely, but the possibility may be elevated in this case if IT's case was borderline as to what to do.

Like I have said numerous times, IT was very much at risk of having surgery before the trade happened so it is perfectly normal for an independent medical staff to determine that, yes, he might need surgery after all.

I think people really need to consider the ethical ramifications here for Cleveland's doctors and relax with the "ploy" talk.  That conclusion insinuates that that their staff is concocting a false diagnosis and/or proposing a more risky and serious treatment just to please Dan Gilbert.

I find that far more likely than the idea that the Celts doctors totally totally dropped the ball on IT and that they did it before a trade was even a discussion.
That they just sorta took chances with his career AND that they didn't really communicate that to the Cavs.
You'd have to believe the Celts doctors are totally incompetent or that they're ok, but that Ainge is a liar.

I believe neither.  At worst I think the Celts doctors were optimistic and that Ainge gave the optimistic diagnosis to the Cavs. That said, the Cavs doctors and the Celts doctors knew it was optimistic, and that it could be worse than that.

The Cavs made a trade knowing full well the player had a significant injury. Now they're trying to say they didn't realize it was a significant injury even though they knew full well that it was and even though we sent the full report.

They think we're stupid. 

[jpotter33]

To me, it seems like IT would have to be significantly worse than the C's doctors thought in order for this report to be legit - like losing a month of the season to rehab versus a whole season to surgery. That seems unlikely that the two sides could have such disparate medical opinions.

That's why I'm leaning more towards this being a ploy to get more. Or at least it could be them trying to offload Shump in the deal, too.

It's probably more of a ploy, but if they're trying to move Shumpert, that's going to be a complete deal breaker.  The Celtics don't have any more salary to send out to match.  They're not sending out Tatum, which is what it takes to match that salary.

But it's possible that the Cavs doctors really feel that rehab just won't work for IT's hip, and that surgery is the only option.  That could easily be a six-month recovery time.  Early reports from IT's injury indicated that surgery was likely, and many were surprised when rehab was the way IT and the Celtics were going.  The Cavs doctor/training staff having a difference of opinion from the Celtics is still unlikely, but the possibility may be elevated in this case if IT's case was borderline as to what to do.

Like I have said numerous times, IT was very much at risk of having surgery before the trade happened so it is perfectly normal for an independent medical staff to determine that, yes, he might need surgery after all.

I think people really need to consider the ethical ramifications here for Cleveland's doctors and relax with the "ploy" talk.  That conclusion insinuates that that their staff is concocting a false diagnosis and/or proposing a more risky and serious treatment just to please Dan Gilbert.

I don't think anyone is suggesting anything as sinister as that. I'm surely not.

I'm just suggesting that perhaps stuff is being leaked to the media that is more severe than what they're really seeing in order to try and get Danny to cough up more, which provides them leverage in the negotiation. This kind of thing happens all of the time in these types of negotiations; I don't think it's necessarily "unethical" to play your hand in this way.

I really don't think anyone is suggesting that the doctors are in on it and will recommend surgery when it's not indicated. That'd be pretty evil and out there lol

[jpotter33]

People are taking this "ploy" thing a bit too far.

Nobody is thinking this is some major conspiracy where the doctors are involved with falsifying data or anything like that.

Most of us are just suggesting that this seems more like a negotiation tactic than anything else. Danny and Brad were both upfront and honest about IT's injury this entire time. It seems much more likely to me that Koby/Cleveland is letting some of this slip to the media as a negotiation tactic to try and attain more from Danny rather than there being such a major difference in IT's prognosis that they're thinking of calling off the deal.

I think the fact that they're primarily looking at expanding the deal rather than calling it off altogether is evidence that this is at least partly in play.

[Tr1boy]

Woj is bad news for th Celts

1st no decision on Hayward
 
No this?

Woj sux

[Atzar]

People are taking this "ploy" thing a bit too far.

Nobody is thinking this is some major conspiracy where the doctors are involved with falsifying data or anything like that.

Most of us are just suggesting that this seems more like a negotiation tactic than anything else. Danny and Brad were both upfront and honest about IT's injury this entire time. It seems much more likely to me that Koby/Cleveland is letting some of this slip to the media as a negotiation tactic to try and attain more from Danny rather than there being such a major difference in IT's prognosis that they're thinking of calling off the deal.

I think the fact that they're primarily looking at expanding the deal rather than calling it off altogether is evidence that this is at least partly in play.

Well said.  I agree. 

[CelticsElite]

If ITs hip just needed some rest, why did Danny say this

Celtics general manager Danny Ainge, when asked whether Thomas' injury played a part in making the trade for Irving, told reporters: "Some."

[playdream]

People are taking this "ploy" thing a bit too far.

Nobody is thinking this is some major conspiracy where the doctors are involved with falsifying data or anything like that.

Most of us are just suggesting that this seems more like a negotiation tactic than anything else. Danny and Brad were both upfront and honest about IT's injury this entire time. It seems much more likely to me that Koby/Cleveland is letting some of this slip to the media as a negotiation tactic to try and attain more from Danny rather than there being such a major difference in IT's prognosis that they're thinking of calling off the deal.

I think the fact that they're primarily looking at expanding the deal rather than calling it off altogether is evidence that this is at least partly in play.

Well said.  I agree.

How can danny tried to hide the injury when knowing the other team is going to exam it?
is Danny that stupid? i think NOT
so the answer is clearer than the crystal

[SHAQATTACK]

Woj is bad news for th Celts

1st no decision on Hayward
 
No this?

Woj sux

Cavs are against wall.... Irving is leaving .....celtics is best deal Ive seen hands down ....our Nets pick , Crowder and Zizic .

I say dare the  Cavs to do nothing ....let Irving walk......wave it and then Sign him .

They knew IT was toast , cavs knew he was injured, but IT was saying himself he was good ,  , now  they are just trying to pile on to haul they already got which is more than anybody else offered ....minus IT

Total balogna

[Eja117]

If ITs hip just needed some rest, why did Danny say this

Celtics general manager Danny Ainge, when asked whether Thomas' injury played a part in making the trade for Irving, told reporters: "Some."

The other option was to say "Not at all" and that's probably not true and not overly believable

[wiley]

YEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Let him recuperate while Smart starts at PG! 

Let Zizic blossom into an enforcer!

Let Hayward be the leader on offense instead of Kyrie!

Let Bagley Jr. come to town next year!!! 

The only downside is a bit of a glut at the wing (slowing down the upbringing of young studs).

I'm ready to root for Kyrie if he comes...but it feels like a mismatch to me to be honest.  I know such a player is needed in the playoffs.  We'll find that offensive stud elsewhere.  Meanwhile we role with defense in the backcourt and Point Forward Hayward.

[keevsnick]

Immediately after IT was shut down in the ECF it was reported that surgery could be a 6-9 month recovery time. Then it was decided he didn't need it. My guess is the Celtics and IT just really wanted to try and avoid it because it isn't in Isaiah's best interest to miss time and maybe lose money, and it wasn't in the Celtics either because it means he had no trade value (and they want him on the court. Now a third party is looking at the records going "Ummm, he should have had surgery. He needs it." If he gets it now bye-bye most if not all of 2017-2018.

[SHAQATTACK]

Immediately after IT was shut down in the ECF it was reported that surgery could be a 6-9 month recovery time. Then it was decided he didn't need it. My guess is the Celtics and IT just really wanted to try and avoid it because it isn't in Isaiah's best interest to miss time and maybe lose money, and it wasn't in the Celtics either because it means he had no trade value (and they want him on the court. Now a third party is looking at the records going "Ummm, he should have had surgery. He needs it." If he gets it now bye-bye most if not all of 2017-2018.

Everybody was hugging, kissing  and and all lovie dovie .....the facts are facts ......kicking the can down the road ....waiting for a miracle to fly in and heal a bad bad injury.

Dannynis too smart not to,have asked doctors for their unbiased ,  opinion.   He knew the score , even if IT was in denial .  .....and rest of his fans.

Only way IT gets his Brink Truck .....to get surgery and fight like hell to come back . 

[ashanm10]

Look guys, I say in the worst case scenario, let's add a third team to reap benefits xd