WojBomb - Cavs evaluating options after IT physical...

[hwangjini_1]

having the deal fall through is a bad look for both sides, which adds incentive for the deal to go through.

but, if it does collapse completely, it is the cavs who will suffer more in the long run.

celtics - 2017-18 is in trouble since IT will either miss part of the season or sold off for lesser return. the celtics will make the playoffs, but get bounced early, maybe in second round since they lack a very good scorer to compliment hayward.

crowder is gone one way or the other.

but, after that, the celtics have the brooklyn pick back and get a year of development from the youngsters. IT would have been gone anyway after next season, so no change there.

not doing the trade hurts the celtics for next season, but the celtics can recover and with the youngsters can look very good for the years following.

cavs - kyrie is not suiting up for next season since they really need to/have to trade him now. compounding this problem is that any sort of leverage they may have had will be reduced greatly. what can they get for kyrie that gets them closer to their twin goals of (1) competeing this year, and, (2) starting the rebuild after lebron leaves?

the boston deal was a god send for cleveland to gives a final shot at a championship AND jump start the rebuild.

i think the deal goes through, with perhaps some tweaking by boston.

[Tr1boy]

I wonder what is going through Kyrie (visiting today/physical) and Celtics mind today

Don't forget also the Cavs and Celtics already thanks kyrie/IT4 on twitter etc. 

League may not allow the trade to be rescinded (hopefully)

[Dino Pitino]

As if the Cavs didn't know he'd miss significant time. Puh-lease. Call their bluff. Even with Isaiah missing the whole year and being just contract filler, our deal is still better than anything else they'll be offered.

One thing: If this trade isn't rescinded, will those who gave it a bad grade for us feel obliged to re-grade it an entire letter or two upwards? Glimpsing the abyss of it being rescinded and having zero healthy star PGs this year should change a lot of minds.

Did we know he was going to miss significant time?

Depends on definition of significant, but if it's somewhere between one month and half the season, I would say yes, we knew it, too.

Can't believe Cleveland is playing dumb like this. Let them bluff away. We can start Smart-Brown-Hayward-Morris-Horford and wait on Isaiah all season if necessary to heal up for the playoffs if he can, and if not, oh well, it's just one season, our future is wicked bright either way. Cleveland's future, on the other hand, is ****** if they don't make a trade.

[Tr1boy]

As if the Cavs didn't know he'd miss significant time. Puh-lease. Call their bluff. Even with Isaiah missing the whole year and being just contract filler, our deal is still better than anything else they'll be offered.

One thing: If this trade isn't rescinded, will those who gave it a bad grade for us feel obliged to re-grade it an entire letter or two upwards? Glimpsing the abyss of it being rescinded and having zero healthy star PGs this year should change a lot of minds.

Did we know he was going to miss significant time?

Depends on definition of significant, but if it's somewhere between one month and half the season, I would say yes, we knew it, too.

Can't believe Cleveland is playing dumb like this. Let them bluff away. We can start Smart-Brown-Hayward-Morris-Horford and wait on Isaiah all season if necessary to heal up for the playoffs if he can, and if not, oh well, it's just one season, our future is wicked bright either way. Cleveland's future, on the other hand, is ****** if they don't make a trade.

They should fire Koby Altmann for being an amateur GM

not our problem

 

[tankcity!]

This is such BS coming from Cleveland. They weren't duped. Publicly the celtics have been pretty honest about Thomas's hip injury. Especially Brad Stevens. We don't need to do this trade. We can just keep the Brooklyn pick. I would be upset if Ainge ends up giving them more. I mean we gave them such a fair deal!!!

[RJ87]

As if the Cavs didn't know he'd miss significant time. Puh-lease. Call their bluff. Even with Isaiah missing the whole year and being just contract filler, our deal is still better than anything else they'll be offered.

One thing: If this trade isn't rescinded, will those who gave it a bad grade for us feel obliged to re-grade it an entire letter or two upwards? Glimpsing the abyss of it being rescinded and having zero healthy star PGs this year should change a lot of minds.

Did we know he was going to miss significant time?

Depends on definition of significant, but if it's somewhere between one month and half the season, I would say yes, we knew it, too.

I don't think anyone thought he'd be ready for the start of the season but if he misses half the season, I'm going to need someone to explain to me why be didn't have surgery.

[Granath]

I'm all for Cleveland rescinding this trade, especially before we gave them another red cent.

I've explained in prior posts that I understand this trade. I just never liked it. I think it was too much to give up for Irving who I'm not particularly fond of. I don't like paying a King's Ransom for a guy who plays on only one end of the court.

So claw it back. We'll start Smart and let IT heal (or not).

By moving the Brooklyn #1, I don't think we have the assets to get a true star like Anthony Davis. I'd rather conserve my ammo for a deal like that. And if that kind of deal doesn't happen, I'd be happy to move forward long-term with a team consisting of Hayward, Horford, IT (for a reduced contract), Smart and 4 guys likely drafted in the top 5.

[Tr1boy]

Cleveland has until Thursday to make a final decision on approving the trade, sources said. Cleveland can veto the deal based on a failed physical, sending players back to their respective teams.

[saltlover]

To me, it seems like IT would have to be significantly worse than the C's doctors thought in order for this report to be legit - like losing a month of the season to rehab versus a whole season to surgery. That seems unlikely that the two sides could have such disparate medical opinions.

That's why I'm leaning more towards this being a ploy to get more. Or at least it could be them trying to offload Shump in the deal, too.

It's probably more of a ploy, but if they're trying to move Shumpert, that's going to be a complete deal breaker.  The Celtics don't have any more salary to send out to match.  They're not sending out Tatum, which is what it takes to match that salary.

But it's possible that the Cavs doctors really feel that rehab just won't work for IT's hip, and that surgery is the only option.  That could easily be a six-month recovery time.  Early reports from IT's injury indicated that surgery was likely, and many were surprised when rehab was the way IT and the Celtics were going.  The Cavs doctor/training staff having a difference of opinion from the Celtics is still unlikely, but the possibility may be elevated in this case if IT's case was borderline as to what to do.

[Tr1boy]

I'm all for Cleveland rescinding this trade, especially before we gave them another red cent.

I've explained in prior posts that I understand this trade. I just never liked it. I think it was too much to give up for Irving who I'm not particularly fond of. I don't like paying a King's Ransom for a guy who plays on only one end of the court.

So claw it back. We'll start Smart and let IT heal (or not).

By moving the Brooklyn #1, I don't think we have the assets to get a true star like Anthony Davis. I'd rather conserve my ammo for a deal like that. And if that kind of deal doesn't happen, I'd be happy to move forward long-term with a team consisting of Hayward, Horford, IT (for a reduced contract), Smart and 4 guys likely drafted in the top 5.

yes

i think WHATEVER happens....IT4 and Crowder will not be back in a Celtics uniform next season

worst case if the trade is rescinded........Ainge will get calls on Crowder and will make a trade.  Probably for an expiring contract and a future pick.  Open up mins for Brown/Tatum/Semi

The situation for IT4 is a little more tricky. But ultimately the Celts will help him rehab/surgery ....and he will sit out the rest of the season.  Become a UFA next season/part ways with the team

Yes this all stinks because we lose on a talent like Kyrie but the team still gets to keep Zizic and the 2018 1st (to keep or use at the trade deadline)

[tonydelk]

Cavs fans now think they will get brown or Tatum.  Morons.

[ssspence]

i think WHATEVER happens....IT4 and Crowder will not be back in a Celtics uniform next season

So you think if the Cavs pull out of the deal due to Thomas' injury, some other team is going to trade for him with that same injury? Huh?

[JHTruth]

All that said I think Isaiah would have to be in REALLY bad shape for them to give back the pick and take back Kyrie.

I think it's a Cavs ploy to extract more compensation, but assume it's not. Does Cleveland reengage with Phoenix and try to get Bledsoe, Bender, #1?

If they can get the Phoenix pick in 2018, it's a no brainer to rescind our trade and get Bledsoe. They want an actual run this year and the pick should be high enough to grab the PG that can actually play..

[Tr1boy]

IMO no free picks or Rozier

Give them a 1st round pick (non lotto) swap option for 2019

Do we have to go through this hell and wait until Thurs for the Cavs to decide?

[Smokeeye123]

All that said I think Isaiah would have to be in REALLY bad shape for them to give back the pick and take back Kyrie.

I think it's a Cavs ploy to extract more compensation, but assume it's not. Does Cleveland reengage with Phoenix and try to get Bledsoe, Bender, #1?

If they can get the Phoenix pick in 2018, it's a no brainer to rescind our trade and get Bledsoe. They want an actual run this year and the pick should be high enough to grab the PG that can actually play..

?? Phoenix with Kyrie  probably falls between 8-14 this year.

A mid first+ Bledsoe is better than Nets pick IT, and Crowder?