Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward

[TheLegendaryClub]

All I know is that if Crowder gets traded for Hayward, his agent will be scrambling to change his twitter password before he can write an expletive-laced, all-caps, "screw you!" @ Boston

[max215]

Favors will make $11.75M this year, expiring contract. I don't know if adding him to a S&T with Hayward and Crowder is possible capwise.

If the only piece we're sending out is Crowder, it's not. I'm not positive, but it might work if we send out Bradley as well. I wouldn't call that an appealing option, though.

[BitterJim]

Would be nice if hayward would just shave a couple million off his salary, Durant just took $6M less to stay with the Warriors.

Supposedly he wants to win a title. A little discount wouldn't hurt the cause.

He's already taking a paycut to come here. Asking him to take even more of a pay cut isn't realistic

Why not? KD just did it. Tom Brady does it.

There's a huge difference between taking a pay cut for your team after winning a championship and taking a paycut to join a different team that is hoping for a Finals appearance

plus, KD and Brady are making immense amount of money off the court. They can afford these little paycut

The closer Boston is to a championship, the more money Hayward will make off the court.

Taking that $3 million less wouldn't put us any closer to a Championship. We can argue about this all we want, but the fact of the matter is that Hayward will be getting the full max

[max215]

Source confirms ESPN report that Celtics and Jazz are talking about a Hayward sign-and-trade involving Crowder.

https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/882782570986864640

I trust Ainge enough to have confidence that this is not the full story, but if this is the full story, it would represent a failure of monumental proportions.

why? What if no other team wants to take Crowder without salary in return?

1. We could take about $3M back and still be able to sign Hayward.
2. Crowder is valuable. There are teams willing to take him.
3. Trading Crowder is not the only option, so if people really are intent on fleecing Ainge, he can dump (far less valuable) Smart for nothing to a team like OKC, who would gladly absorb him into a TPE they have.

Not to mention we can trade him for a future pick as well. I find it hard to believe that there is no team out there willing to give us a future pick for Crowder.

I find it impossible to believe that would be the case. And even if that were the case, dumping Smart for nothing would be even easier from a cap standpoint.

[Redz]

Would be nice if hayward would just shave a couple million off his salary, Durant just took $6M less to stay with the Warriors.

Supposedly he wants to win a title. A little discount wouldn't hurt the cause.

He's already taking a paycut to come here. Asking him to take even more of a pay cut isn't realistic

Why not? KD just did it. Tom Brady does it.

There's a huge difference between taking a pay cut for your team after winning a championship and taking a paycut to join a different team that is hoping for a Finals appearance

I forgot the Heat, they took pay cuts too.

In that Players' Tribune post he waxed poetic about Boston's winning culture and how badly he wants to win a championship.

If he really likes this team so much, you'd think he'd want to play alongside AB/Crowder etc, as they were big reasons for our success last year.

We're not talking about some epic discounts here, we're talking about like $2M.

he took his discount. Its done. Its over. Crowders getting shipped.

It would be ironic if Crowder ended up in Utah, swapping paces with Hayward.

Losing his contract would be a blow, though as a player i think he is less essential than AB or Smart.

Agreed

Bradley stepped up his game big time last season.  On  an expiring contract with a loaded up team, he would be set for a peak performance next season.

[Chief Macho]

I dont really see the Jazz being a good option for a sign and trade unless they're willing to give up Hood or a first rounder. 

[max215]

I dont really see the Jazz being a good option for a sign and trade unless they're willing to give up Hood or a first rounder.

If Crowder is involved, you are correct. If they want Rozier and Jackson instead, then a S&T would be mutually beneficial.

[jpotter33]

Favors will make $11.75M this year, expiring contract. I don't know if adding him to a S&T with Hayward and Crowder is possible capwise.

If the only piece we're sending out is Crowder, it's not. I'm not positive, but it might work if we send out Bradley as well. I wouldn't call that an appealing option, though.

I'm pretty sure I ran the numbers the other day and it works out pretty well. Favors will make $12M this year, and AB and Jae combine to make just over $15.6M, giving us $3.6M in extra cap room to sign Hayward.

Favors is pretty underrated around here because of a down year last year, but he's still a very good player that helps with several of our weaknesses on the board and with interior toughness/defense. I'd do that deal, especially if you think you'd be losing AB anyways (I think Favors costs less than AB next year). I like the look of that lineup:

PG: IT, Rozier
SG: Brown, Smart
SF: Hayward, Tatum
PF: Favors, ?
C: Horford, Zizic

[JOMVP]

Gifting Crowder to the Jazz for Hayward makes no sense for the most part. Unless, there isnt much value around the league as Danny has shopped him around, and Crowder has made it known that he no longer wants to play for the Celtics after the Hayward signing (kind of makes sense.)

If we trade just Crowder, then we only have to give up just Crowder for us to fit Hayward into space. Maybe Danny values that and keeping Smart and Rozier for the bench and more playing time for 7/11.

I dont know. Doesnt make sense, I would love to somehow swing Favors into this. Last year of contract, probably wouldnt resign with the Jazz in the offseason. Ainge has leverage because he already has Hayward.

[max215]

Favors will make $11.75M this year, expiring contract. I don't know if adding him to a S&T with Hayward and Crowder is possible capwise.

If the only piece we're sending out is Crowder, it's not. I'm not positive, but it might work if we send out Bradley as well. I wouldn't call that an appealing option, though.

I'm pretty sure I ran the numbers the other day and it works out pretty well. Favors will make $12M this year, and AB and Jae combine to make just over $15.6M, giving us $3.6M in extra cap room to sign Hayward.

Favors is pretty underrated around here because of a down year last year, but he's still a very good player that helps with several of our weaknesses on the board and with interior toughness/defense. I'd do that deal, especially if you think you'd be losing AB anyways (I think Favors costs less than AB next year). I like the look of that lineup:

PG: IT, Rozier
SG: Brown, Smart
SF: Hayward, Tatum
PF: Favors, ?
C: Horford, Zizic

I think you're right in terms of the money, so it should be a possibility. I was a HUGE Favors guy before the injuries caught up to him, but this seems like a big risk. If it doesn't work out, you lost a year of Bradley, his Bird rights, 3 years of Crowder, and his Bird rights for a broken Favors. If it does work out, you have to pay Favors a massive amount next offseason.

[Jvalin]

Source confirms ESPN report that Celtics and Jazz are talking about a Hayward sign-and-trade involving Crowder.

https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/882782570986864640

I trust Ainge enough to have confidence that this is not the full story, but if this is the full story, it would represent a failure of monumental proportions.

why? What if no other team wants to take Crowder without salary in return?

1. We could take about $3M back and still be able to sign Hayward.
2. Crowder is valuable. There are teams willing to take him.
3. Trading Crowder is not the only option, so if people really are intent on fleecing Ainge, he can dump (far less valuable) Smart for nothing to a team like OKC, who would gladly absorb him into a TPE they have.

Not to mention we can trade him for a future pick as well. I find it hard to believe that there is no team out there willing to give us a future pick for Crowder.

I find it impossible to believe that would be the case. And even if that were the case, dumping Smart for nothing would be even easier from a cap standpoint.

No need to dump Smart either. Worst case scenario, we trade him to the highest bidder.

In any case, dumping Smart/Crowder/Bradley to the Jazz makes no sense whatsoever.

[OldSchoolDude]

I hope they do work out a sign and trade even if it is for the same 4 year with the player option for the 4th deal.  This would give us Haywards bird rights, so when he comes up for a new deal we will be able to offer the super max.   

If they can get favors out of the deal that would be some sweet.  But given our impending guard situation, I'd take Nigel Williams-Goss and a pick for Crowder as he looks the most expendable given the awesome summer league that Tatum is having.

[max215]

Source confirms ESPN report that Celtics and Jazz are talking about a Hayward sign-and-trade involving Crowder.

https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/882782570986864640

I trust Ainge enough to have confidence that this is not the full story, but if this is the full story, it would represent a failure of monumental proportions.

why? What if no other team wants to take Crowder without salary in return?

1. We could take about $3M back and still be able to sign Hayward.
2. Crowder is valuable. There are teams willing to take him.
3. Trading Crowder is not the only option, so if people really are intent on fleecing Ainge, he can dump (far less valuable) Smart for nothing to a team like OKC, who would gladly absorb him into a TPE they have.

Not to mention we can trade him for a future pick as well. I find it hard to believe that there is no team out there willing to give us a future pick for Crowder.

I find it impossible to believe that would be the case. And even if that were the case, dumping Smart for nothing would be even easier from a cap standpoint.

No need to dump Smart either. Worst case scenario, we trade him to the highest bidder.

Of course, but in the alternate universe in which some members exist, where Crowder has no value throughout the league, dumping Smart for nothing is easier and more palatable than dumping Crowder for nothing.

[jpotter33]

Favors will make $11.75M this year, expiring contract. I don't know if adding him to a S&T with Hayward and Crowder is possible capwise.

If the only piece we're sending out is Crowder, it's not. I'm not positive, but it might work if we send out Bradley as well. I wouldn't call that an appealing option, though.

I'm pretty sure I ran the numbers the other day and it works out pretty well. Favors will make $12M this year, and AB and Jae combine to make just over $15.6M, giving us $3.6M in extra cap room to sign Hayward.

Favors is pretty underrated around here because of a down year last year, but he's still a very good player that helps with several of our weaknesses on the board and with interior toughness/defense. I'd do that deal, especially if you think you'd be losing AB anyways (I think Favors costs less than AB next year). I like the look of that lineup:

PG: IT, Rozier
SG: Brown, Smart
SF: Hayward, Tatum
PF: Favors, ?
C: Horford, Zizic

I think you're right in terms of the money, so it should be a possibility. I was a HUGE Favors guy before the injuries caught up to him, but this seems like a big risk. If it doesn't work out, you lost a year of Bradley, his Bird rights, 3 years of Crowder, and his Bird rights for a broken Favors. If it does work out, you have to pay Favors a massive amount next offseason.

Yeah, that's why in a lot of ways I'd rather make that same sort of deal for someone like Faried, who has two full years left on his deal and presumably won't cost near as much to resign after his contract is up. I like his fit here with Boston nearly as much as Favors, even if he isn't the overall player that Favors is.

That being said, it's one thing to trade AB and Crowder for Favors straight up; it's a complete overpay to trade AB and Crowder for Faried, which is the salary it'd take to make the cap space work (if it even does for Faried with his extra $900k he makes over Favors).

[max215]

I hope they do work out a sign and trade even if it is for the same 4 year with the player option for the 4th deal.  This would give us Haywards bird rights, so when he comes up for a new deal we will be able to offer the super max.   

If they can get favors out of the deal that would be some sweet.  But given our impending guard situation, I'd take Nigel Williams-Goss and a pick for Crowder as he looks the most expendable given the awesome summer league that Tatum is having.

1. We get his Bird rights after 3 years no matter what.
2. We can offer the 'super max' in 3 years no matter what, as he'll be a 10+ year veteran.