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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #180 on: July 06, 2017, 12:28:10 AM »

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How did we go from "possible s&t for Hayward" to "we're getting Favors too"?

This board, man... this board.

People are speculating.

Speculating... delusional...

All the same 'round these parts.

I'd say it's more delusional to think we're just going to give up Crowder in a sign and trade with no real return when he has one of the best contracts in the league and has had many admirers and suitors in trade talks for several years now. That makes zero sense whatsoever.

The only way involving Crowder in a sign and trade like this would make sense is if we were trading for some other assets, too. Further, given the fact that A) we need a starting 4, B) Favors is a starting 4, and C) he was recently on the trade block, its completely rational and logical to posit the possibility of him being included in the deal for something like AB and Crowder, which is still probably an overpay on our part.

Honestly, depending upon your view of Favors, it would work very, very well for both sides, and something like that surely makes more sense than us just giving up Crowder for nothing but cap space.

You're presenting it as if there's only 2 possible outcomes. 1) Give away Jae for free or 2) Utah gives up an additional good player in a deal they're already losing

Most likely scenario is Utah sends a protected pick. Even if Utah had Favors on the trade block at some point he's an asset, they shouldn't just give him away.

Naw, the most likely scenario is this is just a smokescreen for other teams to up their offers.

But you're overvaluing Favors here. Most would say that AB and Jae for Favors is an overpay on our part, especially given his expiring contract. There's already been a lot of noise of them trading him anyways, because he's not really a good fit with Gobert, which makes it unlikely that they'll invest in him next summer, especially with Hayward leaving. What better package for Favors could they realistically get?
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #181 on: July 06, 2017, 12:29:34 AM »

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Could we sign and trade Kelly to the Jazz and keep everyone else?
No. If we keep Rozier + Jackson we won't be under the cap at the end of the trade. In order for the sign and trade to be legal, we have to be under the cap at the end of the trade.

Unless there's a rule I'm not aware of, I don't think that's strictly true.

If we're using cap space for the trade, we have to finish the trade no more than $100k above the cap.

However, if we were to "match" salaries - meaning Utah would pay KO almost $25 million in his first year - we're allowed to finish over the cap.


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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #182 on: July 06, 2017, 12:33:57 AM »

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the utah writers on twitter saying hayward is going to force a sign and trade so the jazz get crowder are hilarious right now.   

Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #183 on: July 06, 2017, 12:37:00 AM »

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Bulpett weighs in with some expected info (as many of us have been saying all along):

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Sources indicated the C’s had discussed potential trades with several teams, and they were also looking at the possibility of a sign-and-trade with Utah that would involve Hayward and Crowder. There would be some cap benefits to the Celts in this latter scenario, but they would need to reap some asset(s) from the Jazz beyond simply clearing the proper space for their free agent prize.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/07/bulpett_danny_ainge_working_to_clear_cap_space_for_gordon_hayward?amp
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #184 on: July 06, 2017, 12:43:34 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.


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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #185 on: July 06, 2017, 12:45:45 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.

I didn't know you could sign and trade a player for a sign and traded player, I guess I'm wrong and it's good that I am!!
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #186 on: July 06, 2017, 12:46:07 AM »

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the utah writers on twitter saying hayward is going to force a sign and trade so the jazz get crowder are hilarious right now.

Yeah, the idea that Hayward owes the Jazz anything is silly. He gave them seven years and fulfilled his contract.

Of course, I felt the same way about Ray Allen.


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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #187 on: July 06, 2017, 12:50:01 AM »

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How did we go from "possible s&t for Hayward" to "we're getting Favors too"?

This board, man... this board.

People are speculating.

Speculating... delusional...

All the same 'round these parts.

I'd say it's more delusional to think we're just going to give up Crowder in a sign and trade with no real return when he has one of the best contracts in the league and has had many admirers and suitors in trade talks for several years now. That makes zero sense whatsoever.

The only way involving Crowder in a sign and trade like this would make sense is if we were trading for some other assets, too. Further, given the fact that A) we need a starting 4, B) Favors is a starting 4, and C) he was recently on the trade block, its completely rational and logical to posit the possibility of him being included in the deal for something like AB and Crowder, which is still probably an overpay on our part.

Honestly, depending upon your view of Favors, it would work very, very well for both sides, and something like that surely makes more sense than us just giving up Crowder for nothing but cap space.

You're presenting it as if there's only 2 possible outcomes. 1) Give away Jae for free or 2) Utah gives up an additional good player in a deal they're already losing

Most likely scenario is Utah sends a protected pick. Even if Utah had Favors on the trade block at some point he's an asset, they shouldn't just give him away.

Naw, the most likely scenario is this is just a smokescreen for other teams to up their offers.

But you're overvaluing Favors here. Most would say that AB and Jae for Favors is an overpay on our part, especially given his expiring contract. There's already been a lot of noise of them trading him anyways, because he's not really a good fit with Gobert, which makes it unlikely that they'll invest in him next summer, especially with Hayward leaving. What better package for Favors could they realistically get?

I'm overvaluing Favors because I said he's a good player?

K.

Allegedly, we were shopping Jae for a pick and a young player at the draft and we didn't get an offer at our asking price. Logically, that means we're overpricing him.

As far as Favors, he's 25 and is solid and on an expiring deal. If he's not in the future plans, why not flip him to a team looking to move a longer term deal and get an asset out of it ala the Nets with Mozgov.

They're a smartly run franchise, they're not going to give us assets they could use elsewhere + hand us Hayward for Crowder.
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #188 on: July 06, 2017, 12:50:13 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.

Doubt they agree to sign Olynyk to that monstrosity. More importantly, S&T must be at least 3 years.
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #189 on: July 06, 2017, 12:50:41 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.
What happened to ol Lar "Negative Nancy" Brd? Lol kidding but he was pretty funny would get everybody riled up.
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #190 on: July 06, 2017, 12:53:57 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.

Doubt they agree to sign Olynyk to that monstrosity. More importantly, S&T must be at least 3 years.

Did they change the rule about only the first year having to be guaranteed? I haven't seen that reported.


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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #191 on: July 06, 2017, 12:56:30 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.

Doubt they agree to sign Olynyk to that monstrosity. More importantly, S&T must be at least 3 years.

Did they change the rule about only the first year having to be guaranteed?

Nevermind, you're correct. CBA FAQ to the rescue, as always:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #192 on: July 06, 2017, 12:59:38 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.
What happened to ol Lar "Negative Nancy" Brd? Lol kidding but he was pretty funny would get everybody riled up.

He's still following the team closely and seems thrilled with Tatum and Hayward.

The funny thing is, despite his reputation, I think he's a huge optimist, and he's a good guy:


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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #193 on: July 06, 2017, 01:00:36 AM »

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A suggestion from LarBrd33 in exile:

Boston signs and trades KO (4 years, $20 million starting salary, decreasing yearly); Jerebko (3 years, 1 guaranteed, $5 million)

Jazz sign and trade Hayward

No other assets are exchanged.
What happened to ol Lar "Negative Nancy" Brd? Lol kidding but he was pretty funny would get everybody riled up.

He's still following the team closely and seems thrilled with Tatum and Hayward.

The funny thing is, despite his reputation, I think he's a huge optimist, and he's a good guy:

FWIW, he's very active on Reddit still, or at least an impostor with the exact same name is.
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Re: Jazz open to sign & trade for Hayward
« Reply #194 on: July 06, 2017, 01:01:54 AM »

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Kelly is base year, only 50% counts for salary matching