Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?

[saltlover]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

[Eddie20]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

Exactly. This situation is unprecedented.

[Moranis]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

That is because there wasn't a game to be played when the trade went down.  He would have been held out of the game had it been near game time when Ainge thought he had the trade. 

Baseball players are held out of games all the time because of trade potential.  They have a lot more games than there are in basketball so they just have more opportunity. 

[Real World]

Git'er done Danny!   I hope the C's make a trade for Okafor.  The kid is young, and has a ton of talent.  I keep hearing the small ball nonsense all the time, and how low post players have no place in the league, but I don't buy it.  Trends are cyclical, and in the playoffs match ups matter.   Sure the league is trending to smaller line-ups and all that goes with them, but having a scoring big in the block is something that fewer and fewer teams are built to defend.  I think Okafor is so young, and talented, that with our staff and roster, he could be develop into a terrific pro.  He's at his lowest point of value, and I think this is where the Celtics could dangle some assets (Rozier + a non-Nets 1st?) and roll the dice on a top talent from a recent draft.  Do it Danny!

[apc]

Here is an interesting theory:

Kevin O'Connor ‏@KevinOConnorNBA
 Jahlil Okafor was shelved a ploy to stir interest and induce better offers, sources speculate. No one fell for it.

[saltlover]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

That is because there wasn't a game to be played when the trade went down.  He would have been held out of the game had it been near game time when Ainge thought he had the trade. 

Baseball players are held out of games all the time because of trade potential.  They have a lot more games than there are in basketball so they just have more opportunity.

1) We're talking about basketball, not baseball.
2) The trade deadline was March 16th that year.  He played both on March 14th and March 16th.
3) Ignoring point #2, again, the situation is that Okafor was held out multiple games and did not travel with the team because he was being traded.  You said that this happens sometimes.  Ray Allen is not a valid example, because he didn't sit out a game.  Rather than making excuses for why this is somehow valid anyway (which it isn't), maybe say something like "I thought he sat out a game.  I must have remembered wrong," and then try to find another example.

[Eddie20]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

That is because there wasn't a game to be played when the trade went down.  He would have been held out of the game had it been near game time when Ainge thought he had the trade. 

Baseball players are held out of games all the time because of trade potential.  They have a lot more games than there are in basketball so they just have more opportunity.

Moranis, you're changing things up quite a bit.

You initially stated "players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always." However, now not only did you bring up a scenario (Allen) that wasn't a similar example, but you also brought up a different sport.

Okafor was held out of an NBA game because a trade was imminent. Now he's back with the team and scheduled to play tonight. Can you think of another situation in NBA history or would you be willing to agree that the situation is completely unprecedented?

[Moranis]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

That is because there wasn't a game to be played when the trade went down.  He would have been held out of the game had it been near game time when Ainge thought he had the trade. 

Baseball players are held out of games all the time because of trade potential.  They have a lot more games than there are in basketball so they just have more opportunity.

1) We're talking about basketball, not baseball.
2) The trade deadline was March 16th that year.  He played both on March 14th and March 16th.
3) Ignoring point #2, again, the situation is that Okafor was held out multiple games and did not travel with the team because he was being traded.  You said that this happens sometimes.  Ray Allen is not a valid example, because he didn't sit out a game.  Rather than making excuses for why this is somehow valid anyway (which it isn't), maybe say something like "I thought he sat out a game.  I must have remembered wrong," and then try to find another example.

From the stories I've read, he was told when they were in GS.  It appears he was told in the morning, but before he could leave, the trade fell through so he ended up playing that night, though when he was told was never made clear.

[celticsclay]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

That is because there wasn't a game to be played when the trade went down.  He would have been held out of the game had it been near game time when Ainge thought he had the trade. 

Baseball players are held out of games all the time because of trade potential.  They have a lot more games than there are in basketball so they just have more opportunity.

Moranis, you're changing things up quite a bit.

You initially stated "players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always." However, now not only did you bring up a scenario (Allen) that wasn't a similar example, but you also brought up a different sport.

Okafor was held out of an NBA game because a trade was imminent. Now he's back with the team and scheduled to play tonight. Can you think of another situation in NBA history or would you be willing to agree that the situation is completely unprecedented?

Big shoutout to Eddie and saltlover and a tp for both. This is not something that happens ever. If it does it is extremely weird. Bringing in clearly different examples like the Allen situation or baseball is pretty weak. There will be many calls for BC to explain himself because this just not how you treat players.

[celticsclay]

It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always.

I challenge you to name one other example. Because " not always" would indicate this situation happens occasionally.

Ray Allen was told he was traded to Memphis by Ainge.  The trade obviously broke down and never happened.

But he wasn't held out of any games, which is the weird thing Okafor is experiencing.

That is because there wasn't a game to be played when the trade went down.  He would have been held out of the game had it been near game time when Ainge thought he had the trade. 

Baseball players are held out of games all the time because of trade potential.  They have a lot more games than there are in basketball so they just have more opportunity.

1) We're talking about basketball, not baseball.
2) The trade deadline was March 16th that year.  He played both on March 14th and March 16th.
3) Ignoring point #2, again, the situation is that Okafor was held out multiple games and did not travel with the team because he was being traded.  You said that this happens sometimes.  Ray Allen is not a valid example, because he didn't sit out a game.  Rather than making excuses for why this is somehow valid anyway (which it isn't), maybe say something like "I thought he sat out a game.  I must have remembered wrong," and then try to find another example.

From the stories I've read, he was told when they were in GS.  It appears he was told in the morning, but before he could leave, the trade fell through so he ended up playing that night, though when he was told was never made clear.

Just being willfully ignorant on this? Stubborn? Something else? You are trying to compare a situation from 5 years ago where Allen 1) didn't miss any time 2) at most last 12 hours (compared to 96 or so and two games here and a flight 3) wasn't publicly announced 4) didn't involve public good byes from team ambassadors

It is like someone talking about steph curry scoring 52 points and me mentioning Steve Nash had an 8 point quarter once.

[Moranis]

Nurkic didn't play his last game in Denver.  Was it because a trade was close, quite possibly, who knows they didn't say why he didn't play, but Faried was out as was Gallinari, and Nurkic doesn't play leaving O'Bryant to log 11 minutes (before that game O'Bryant had played a total of 18 minutes all season).  Seems odd, doesn't it?

[number_n9ne]

Here is an interesting theory:

Kevin O'Connor ‏@KevinOConnorNBA
 Jahlil Okafor was shelved a ploy to stir interest and induce better offers, sources speculate. No one fell for it.

Here's the full story via theringer.com

A Jahlil Okafor trade appeared imminent this weekend: The Sixers left Okafor in Philadelphia when they traveled to Charlotte, and head coach Brett Brown admitted they did it because the former Duke star was involved in trade conversations. HoopsHype’s Alex Kennedy reported those talks were with the Pelicans, Bulls, Blazers, and Nuggets. “Jahlil Okafor’s situation is transparent,” Brown said Monday. “He’s in the middle of being discussed in trade scenarios.”

Except it’s not so transparent. It’s not even trade scenarios. It’s a trade scenario that involves the Pelicans. Nothing has really changed since nine days ago when The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported the Pelicans were “engaged on several fronts to land a center,” including Okafor. Woj reported the Pelicans want to include a large salary (likely Alexis Ajinca), but the Sixers don’t want to take that on, which a source confirmed to me. Those negotiations are stuck in gridlock. The shelving of Okafor was likely meant to flush out the best offers around the league, sources speculate. It’s not uncommon for teams to use leaks to stir interest. The Nuggets and Blazers weren’t pursuing Okafor. The Bulls likely aren’t either. No one is buying what Bryan Colangelo is selling: a one-dimensional center who can’t defend, rebound, or pass on a roster loaded with big men.

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.y32w53fz1

[celticsclay]

Nurkic didn't play his last game in Denver.  Was it because a trade was close, quite possibly, who knows they didn't say why he didn't play, but Faried was out as was Gallinari, and Nurkic doesn't play leaving O'Bryant to log 11 minutes (before that game O'Bryant had played a total of 18 minutes all season).  Seems odd, doesn't it?

Good grief man. This is bad, even for you.

Did the nuggets go make a public statement saying nurkic wouldn't play?
Was it publicly announced that nurkic was not getting on the teams next flight because a trade was close?
Did laphonso Ellis tweet out thanking Nurkic for his contributions to the nuggets?
Did Nurkic say good by to the team staff on the bench during a game?
Then after all of this happened did Nurkic rejoin the team?

Look I obviously disagree with you on a lot of points and know you can be very stubborn, but throwing out intentionally dissimilar situations to derail a thread is something worse than that. 3 posters have already pointed out why this applies to oranges and it is pretty straight forward.

[celticsclay]

Here is an interesting theory:

Kevin O'Connor ‏@KevinOConnorNBA
 Jahlil Okafor was shelved a ploy to stir interest and induce better offers, sources speculate. No one fell for it.

Here's the full story via theringer.com

A Jahlil Okafor trade appeared imminent this weekend: The Sixers left Okafor in Philadelphia when they traveled to Charlotte, and head coach Brett Brown admitted they did it because the former Duke star was involved in trade conversations. HoopsHype’s Alex Kennedy reported those talks were with the Pelicans, Bulls, Blazers, and Nuggets. “Jahlil Okafor’s situation is transparent,” Brown said Monday. “He’s in the middle of being discussed in trade scenarios.”

Except it’s not so transparent. It’s not even trade scenarios. It’s a trade scenario that involves the Pelicans. Nothing has really changed since nine days ago when The Vertical’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported the Pelicans were “engaged on several fronts to land a center,” including Okafor. Woj reported the Pelicans want to include a large salary (likely Alexis Ajinca), but the Sixers don’t want to take that on, which a source confirmed to me. Those negotiations are stuck in gridlock. The shelving of Okafor was likely meant to flush out the best offers around the league, sources speculate. It’s not uncommon for teams to use leaks to stir interest. The Nuggets and Blazers weren’t pursuing Okafor. The Bulls likely aren’t either. No one is buying what Bryan Colangelo is selling: a one-dimensional center who can’t defend, rebound, or pass on a roster loaded with big men.

https://theringer.com/pressing-eastern-conference-questions-36897397d17#.y32w53fz1

This is so weird. BC is acting like he has never been involved in a front office before. Hinkie was ripped apart for letting a fringe NBA player know he had been cut on the team bus. Despite his dad being basketball royalty the honeymoon is fully over for BC in philly. They would be so much better off with junior at this point.

[number_n9ne]

Nurkic didn't play his last game in Denver.  Was it because a trade was close, quite possibly, who knows they didn't say why he didn't play, but Faried was out as was Gallinari, and Nurkic doesn't play leaving O'Bryant to log 11 minutes (before that game O'Bryant had played a total of 18 minutes all season).  Seems odd, doesn't it?

Good grief man. This is bad, even for you.

Did the nuggets go make a public statement saying nurkic wouldn't play?
Was it publicly announced that nurkic was not getting on the teams next flight because a trade was close?
Did laphonso Ellis tweet out thanking Nurkic for his contributions to the nuggets?
Did Nurkic say good by to the team staff on the bench during a game?
Then after all of this happened did Nurkic rejoin the team?

Look I obviously disagree with you on a lot of points and know you can be very stubborn, but throwing out intentionally dissimilar situations to derail a thread is something worse than that. 3 posters have already pointed out why this applies to oranges and it is pretty straight forward.

Moranis, this is some Kellyanne Conway level of deflection hahahaha.