Author Topic: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?  (Read 25748 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #105 on: February 15, 2017, 02:54:16 PM »

Offline hwangjini_1

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18195
  • Tommy Points: 2747
  • bammokja
Okafor himself describing the situation as difficult

""I'm just trying to focus on playing basketball," Okafor said Wednesday following the team's shootaround. "It's really difficult with all the rumors, not knowing if I'll be here tomorrow. But I know I'm playing tonight and that's what I'm focusing on."

Okafor did thank the organization for being open with him about this, so his message was a little mixed.

Brown also commented on the unusual nature of what has been happening

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."


Note this is a front page ESPN story for a backup center averaging 10 points a game so obviously the thing has become a bit of a circus. I hate Okafor's game, but I do really feel bad for him as a person and how he has been treated the last week. This has gone on long enough. This failed bluff by BC is embarassing

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/02/15/okafors-benching-ploy-stir-interest/

Most people seem to feel the same way

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/2/14/14607730/nba-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-chicago-bulls-new-orleans-pelicans-brett-brown-bryan-colangelo
So the coach of the Sixers said he has held players out before because of trade discussions and goes so far as to say it isn't uncommon just the length of time here being uncommon and somehow I was the crazy one for saying it happens a fair amount.
moranis, honestly, i am not quite sure how you reach your conclusion based upon the the posts above. i put in bold and underlined one sentence i thought particularly telling.
I believe Gandhi is the only person who knew about real democracy — not democracy as the right to go and buy what you want, but democracy as the responsibility to be accountable to everyone around you. Democracy begins with freedom from hunger, freedom from unemployment, freedom from fear, and freedom from hatred.
- Vandana Shiva

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #106 on: February 15, 2017, 02:55:55 PM »

Offline hwangjini_1

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18195
  • Tommy Points: 2747
  • bammokja
Any problems that Philly has, they have earned for the sickening way they decided to act as a franchuse over the last four years.

Having trouble with a roster crunch....thats what you get for drafting 3 centers in consecutive years with top 6 picks.

Having trouble integrating Okafor....thats what you get for drafting such an obviously flawed player whose strengths are better suited for the NBA in the 1970s.

Having trouble trading Okafor....thats what you get for doing everything possible to drive down his already low value across the league.

The Sixers deserve every bad thing that happens to them. I hope Embiid has serious injury problems and can never become anything.  I hope they get next to nothing for Noel and Okafor. I hope Simmons never develops. I hope their draft picks this year come out as the absolute worst case scenario. IMO, they deserve it for that embarrassing display of basketball they foisted upon the league and their fans. As far as I am concerned, you lose on purpose for years at a time, you get what you got coming to you.
but other than the above you have no trouble with philly's rebuild, right?  ;D
I believe Gandhi is the only person who knew about real democracy — not democracy as the right to go and buy what you want, but democracy as the responsibility to be accountable to everyone around you. Democracy begins with freedom from hunger, freedom from unemployment, freedom from fear, and freedom from hatred.
- Vandana Shiva

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2017, 03:07:21 PM »

Offline celticsclay

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16178
  • Tommy Points: 1407
Okafor himself describing the situation as difficult

""I'm just trying to focus on playing basketball," Okafor said Wednesday following the team's shootaround. "It's really difficult with all the rumors, not knowing if I'll be here tomorrow. But I know I'm playing tonight and that's what I'm focusing on."

Okafor did thank the organization for being open with him about this, so his message was a little mixed.

Brown also commented on the unusual nature of what has been happening

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."


Note this is a front page ESPN story for a backup center averaging 10 points a game so obviously the thing has become a bit of a circus. I hate Okafor's game, but I do really feel bad for him as a person and how he has been treated the last week. This has gone on long enough. This failed bluff by BC is embarassing

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/02/15/okafors-benching-ploy-stir-interest/

Most people seem to feel the same way

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/2/14/14607730/nba-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-chicago-bulls-new-orleans-pelicans-brett-brown-bryan-colangelo
So the coach of the Sixers said he has held players out before because of trade discussions and goes so far as to say it isn't uncommon just the length of time here being uncommon and somehow I was the crazy one for saying it happens a fair amount.

Moranis you truly are incredibly difficult and I really don't understand what you are even trying to do with half your posts here. It is difficult to not express more frustration with you because of how consistently you derail threads by including unrelated comments and examples and generally just being difficult.

At least 4 posters in this thread have tried to explain this situation to you and why it is unique and you have ignored every single one and offered completely unrelated scenarios in response to this. So for the umpteenth time I will try to explain this to you. Please let me know what part you don't understand after instead of replying with something irrelevant.

Point: Teams do not publicly announce they are close to trading a player, hold them out multiple games and then have the player rejoin the team and start playing with the team again

Why is this unusual: This creates a lot of difficult situations for many people involved. It leads to members of the staff and organization saying good bye to the player. It leads to teammates being asked about it by the media. This is why Elton Brand tweeted at Okafor thanking at him. This is why Okafor said good bye to the staff publicly. This is why it was publicly reported that Okafor would not fly with the team to Charlotte. It creates a complete circus for the team and the player.

Then you throw in the fact the personal impact on Okafor. Instead of maybe just telling his wife/gf and his dad about the potential move, it becomes public knowledge. Everyone that knows him even a little bit friends, aunts, uncles, cousins, college teammates is going to ask him about the situation and where he is going. That is just public nature and is a very difficult situation to deal with. That is a big part of why this was bungled.

Finally from a value perspective, every writer I have seen has commented how this was a bad bluff by Colangelo and he did not get what he wanted out of it. You can dismiss the writing by the Ringer or Liberty Ballers and any other site covering this, but it doesn't change the fact that every single thing covering this series of events have commented how badly it is worked out, how awkward it is, or how poor a way to treat Okafor this is.

Point 2: Why is this different from your Ray Allen, Joseph Nurkic and Baseball comparisons

1) Ray Allen:  It was never publicly announced that Ray was traded or close to being traded. That means we didn't have someone like Robert Parish thanking him for his service and we didn't have Ray on TV saying good bye to teammates. We didn't have public reports of Ray not coming along and joining the team plane. In fact, Ray did not miss a single game (let alone 2 and a traveling trip with the team). Furthermore, we didn't even know about this Ray thing till months or perhaps years later. It was completely different from this team in every way except the fact they both play in the NBA and both at one point were close to being traded. Do you really not understand the difference between these two?


2) Nurkic: Nurkic was actually traded so as a starting point this is a pretty bizarre comparison. You speculate that he may not have played in a game when the Nuggets were shorthanded because he was on the verge of being traded. You realize this is 100% the right way to handle this and nobody here has expressed any belief that this kind of behavior is uncommon. If the 76ers had just given Okafor his standard DNP-CD nobody even comments on this story. It is not a front page story on the Ringer and ESPN right now. THAT IS WHOLE POINT!

3) I am not bothering to respond to your baseball response. Just take that as an example of derailing a thread with an irrlevant comment. Thankfully it was so irrelevant nobody even responded to it.

Do you get this? Please explain to me what you don't get.

PS thanks again to saltover, eddie, number_n9ne and others for calling out this kind of ridiculousness. This routine has gone on long enough.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 03:33:12 PM by celticsclay »

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2017, 03:10:51 PM »

Offline konkmv

  • Don Chaney
  • *
  • Posts: 1518
  • Tommy Points: 104
They will end up losing him for a second rounder

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2017, 03:25:36 PM »

Online Moranis

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 34621
  • Tommy Points: 1600
Okafor himself describing the situation as difficult

""I'm just trying to focus on playing basketball," Okafor said Wednesday following the team's shootaround. "It's really difficult with all the rumors, not knowing if I'll be here tomorrow. But I know I'm playing tonight and that's what I'm focusing on."

Okafor did thank the organization for being open with him about this, so his message was a little mixed.

Brown also commented on the unusual nature of what has been happening

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."


Note this is a front page ESPN story for a backup center averaging 10 points a game so obviously the thing has become a bit of a circus. I hate Okafor's game, but I do really feel bad for him as a person and how he has been treated the last week. This has gone on long enough. This failed bluff by BC is embarassing

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/02/15/okafors-benching-ploy-stir-interest/

Most people seem to feel the same way

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/2/14/14607730/nba-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-chicago-bulls-new-orleans-pelicans-brett-brown-bryan-colangelo
So the coach of the Sixers said he has held players out before because of trade discussions and goes so far as to say it isn't uncommon just the length of time here being uncommon and somehow I was the crazy one for saying it happens a fair amount.
moranis, honestly, i am not quite sure how you reach your conclusion based upon the the posts above. i put in bold and underlined one sentence i thought particularly telling.
because I read the ESPN article, not just the bits and pieces cc posted. 

Quote
Brown said he's dealt with holding out players in the past due to trade discussions, but he hasn't seen one last this long.

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."

And here's the thing, I've said numerous times in this thread that is rare for a trade to fall through.  But it isn't that rare for a player to be held out of a game when there are active trade discussions.  Most of the time, the team doesn't publically announce it and most of the time the trade actually happens.  That is why it is certainly plausible that Denver didn't play Nurkic against Cleveland, despite being down two regulars, including a big man, and then the team plays a guy that had 18 minutes all year, 11 minutes in that game instead of Nurkic. 
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Bigs - Shaquille O'Neal, Victor Wembanyama
Wings -  Lebron James
Guards - Luka Doncic

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2017, 03:35:22 PM »

Offline celticsclay

  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16178
  • Tommy Points: 1407
Okafor himself describing the situation as difficult

""I'm just trying to focus on playing basketball," Okafor said Wednesday following the team's shootaround. "It's really difficult with all the rumors, not knowing if I'll be here tomorrow. But I know I'm playing tonight and that's what I'm focusing on."

Okafor did thank the organization for being open with him about this, so his message was a little mixed.

Brown also commented on the unusual nature of what has been happening

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."


Note this is a front page ESPN story for a backup center averaging 10 points a game so obviously the thing has become a bit of a circus. I hate Okafor's game, but I do really feel bad for him as a person and how he has been treated the last week. This has gone on long enough. This failed bluff by BC is embarassing

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/02/15/okafors-benching-ploy-stir-interest/

Most people seem to feel the same way

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/2/14/14607730/nba-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-chicago-bulls-new-orleans-pelicans-brett-brown-bryan-colangelo
So the coach of the Sixers said he has held players out before because of trade discussions and goes so far as to say it isn't uncommon just the length of time here being uncommon and somehow I was the crazy one for saying it happens a fair amount.
moranis, honestly, i am not quite sure how you reach your conclusion based upon the the posts above. i put in bold and underlined one sentence i thought particularly telling.
because I read the ESPN article, not just the bits and pieces cc posted. 

Quote
Brown said he's dealt with holding out players in the past due to trade discussions, but he hasn't seen one last this long.

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."

And here's the thing, I've said numerous times in this thread that is rare for a trade to fall through.  But it isn't that rare for a player to be held out of a game when there are active trade discussions.  Most of the time, the team doesn't publically announce it and most of the time the trade actually happens.  That is why it is certainly plausible that Denver didn't play Nurkic against Cleveland, despite being down two regulars, including a big man, and then the team plays a guy that had 18 minutes all year, 11 minutes in that game instead of Nurkic.

Are you willfully ignorant on this or what? Please answer the questions I asked and let us know what part you disagree with. I was very clear in what I was asking of you

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2017, 03:38:53 PM »

Offline konkmv

  • Don Chaney
  • *
  • Posts: 1518
  • Tommy Points: 104
I think they bluffed for someone to bite.... if we keep zeller mickey or young out of couple of games.. do you think we get a decent offer? unbelievable move from the sixers...if i was okafor i pushed for a trade hard

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2017, 03:52:36 PM »

Offline Ilikesports17

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8731
  • Tommy Points: 855
Holding a player out because hes close to being traded: not unusual
Making a public display of bidding goodbye to a player, leaving on a rod trip without him and then failing to trade him only to have him meet up with you on the next stop on the road trip: very unusual.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

bolded being the key here.

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2017, 03:55:25 PM »

Offline hwangjini_1

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18195
  • Tommy Points: 2747
  • bammokja
Okafor himself describing the situation as difficult

""I'm just trying to focus on playing basketball," Okafor said Wednesday following the team's shootaround. "It's really difficult with all the rumors, not knowing if I'll be here tomorrow. But I know I'm playing tonight and that's what I'm focusing on."

Okafor did thank the organization for being open with him about this, so his message was a little mixed.

Brown also commented on the unusual nature of what has been happening

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."


Note this is a front page ESPN story for a backup center averaging 10 points a game so obviously the thing has become a bit of a circus. I hate Okafor's game, but I do really feel bad for him as a person and how he has been treated the last week. This has gone on long enough. This failed bluff by BC is embarassing

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/02/15/okafors-benching-ploy-stir-interest/

Most people seem to feel the same way

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/2/14/14607730/nba-trade-rumors-jahlil-okafor-chicago-bulls-new-orleans-pelicans-brett-brown-bryan-colangelo
So the coach of the Sixers said he has held players out before because of trade discussions and goes so far as to say it isn't uncommon just the length of time here being uncommon and somehow I was the crazy one for saying it happens a fair amount.
moranis, honestly, i am not quite sure how you reach your conclusion based upon the the posts above. i put in bold and underlined one sentence i thought particularly telling.
because I read the ESPN article, not just the bits and pieces cc posted. 

Quote
Brown said he's dealt with holding out players in the past due to trade discussions, but he hasn't seen one last this long.

"This isn't uncommon as it relates to the topic," Brown said Wednesday. "It is uncommon as it relates to the length of time."

And here's the thing, I've said numerous times in this thread that is rare for a trade to fall through.  But it isn't that rare for a player to be held out of a game when there are active trade discussions.  Most of the time, the team doesn't publically announce it and most of the time the trade actually happens.  That is why it is certainly plausible that Denver didn't play Nurkic against Cleveland, despite being down two regulars, including a big man, and then the team plays a guy that had 18 minutes all year, 11 minutes in that game instead of Nurkic.
thanks moranis. i had missed that.
I believe Gandhi is the only person who knew about real democracy — not democracy as the right to go and buy what you want, but democracy as the responsibility to be accountable to everyone around you. Democracy begins with freedom from hunger, freedom from unemployment, freedom from fear, and freedom from hatred.
- Vandana Shiva

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2017, 03:56:59 PM »

Offline Bobshot

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2055
  • Tommy Points: 141
I think Okafor got lost in the shuffle of centers at Philly. Hasn't really played that much since he hurt his knee a year or so ago. When he first came up, he was right there with Towns as top rookie center for awhile, then trailed off when Noel came back from injury and started playing alongside him. That didn't work out. He hurt his knee, Embiid came along, and that was the end of that. Early on, he showed some offensive ability in the paint. Good hands. I seem to recall he could pass some. Certainly shoot close in. He was rebounding pretty well early on, but since then hasn't shown much.

I think his development has been curtailed in Philly due to the knee injury and their multiple center situation. He needs to play somewhere else. He is young and has a cheap contract. Probably healthy at this point. Worth a shot if they can get him for cheap. Depends on what Stevens thinks he can do for him. I'd be more concerned about rebounding than 3P shooting.

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2017, 04:08:19 PM »

Online Moranis

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 34621
  • Tommy Points: 1600
Holding a player out because hes close to being traded: not unusual
Making a public display of bidding goodbye to a player, leaving on a rod trip without him and then failing to trade him only to have him meet up with you on the next stop on the road trip: very unusual.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

bolded being the key here.
I concur.  I honestly have no idea why this was an issue at all.  Here was my initial statement on the issue

"players get held out of games when trades are imminent all the time, now granted the trades usually go through, but not always."

That prompted a bunch of responses basically calling me crazy. 
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Bigs - Shaquille O'Neal, Victor Wembanyama
Wings -  Lebron James
Guards - Luka Doncic

Okafor
« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2017, 04:31:45 PM »

Offline konkmv

  • Don Chaney
  • *
  • Posts: 1518
  • Tommy Points: 104
Everyone is saying he is not playing d.... i say he would be a hudge upgrade over zeller... and he will learn... we need a post player who can finish inside and pass outside....

Re: Okafor
« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2017, 04:40:44 PM »

Offline Ilikesports17

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8731
  • Tommy Points: 855
Everyone is saying he is not playing d.... i say he would be a hudge upgrade over zeller... and he will learn... we need a post player who can finish inside and pass outside....
He would not be a huge upgrade over Zeller this season.  Perhaps a marginal one.

Now its possible he gets in a real organization and explodes. However its more likely he gets here and still doesnt defend rebound or run the floor. Making him fairly useless.

He needs to iron out the massive flaws in his game before his tremendous scoring talent can be put to use.

Re: Okafor back on philly after saying bye to teammates?
« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2017, 06:14:39 PM »

Offline jdz101

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3171
  • Tommy Points: 404
It's rumor season.  They wrote entire articles based on Okafor shaking some hands.  It was dumb.  He's been off an on with the team all year.  They have been trying to trade for Jimmy Butler.  If that happens it will happen at the trade deadline.  We only have a week more of this.

This isn't accurate. While he had had numerous dnpcd, he has never not come along for a road trip cause he was about to be traded. Also, this just isn't normal. I've been following basketball for 20 years and played being asked to stay away cause they were being traded and then asked back with no explanation just isn't something that happens. If he was going to get traded and someone failed a physical, sure that happens. Nobody knows what this is

No. This isn't accurate.

He didn't go to the road trip to Milwaukee back in January after several DNPs and did not travel with the team. Whether you think it was to be traded this time round or back then or both or neither, is completely subjective.

Whether or not its normal for a player not to join a team and then fly by himself to the destination where the team are playing next is by the by. It still happens with players all the time. It doesn't mean anything is bound to happen.

Do I think he'll be traded? Probably.

Is whats occurred with his differing itinerary to the rest of the team any indicator of anything? Nope
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 06:49:14 PM by jdz101 »


how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck was chris bosh?