Nerlens Noel Available

[KG Living Legend]

 Would you guys do Rozier, Hunter, Sully for him if Hunter was the sticking point they don't want Young.

[celticsclay]

I am surprised how much some people are willing to give up for Nerlens Noel.  I think if the deal starts with Noel for Smart, I am already pausing.  I like it because I think we need a center more than a PG but trading or trading for either player is risky.  I remain high on Smart, but there is risk; durability and projecting development are big "ifs".  I don't know what to make of Noel, I just don't know his game well enough, but what I saw last season was promising.

I am guessing that something like Smart for Noel isn't going to happen, too much risk for both teams as compared to the potential reward.

He is a high lottery pick that would have been higher were it not for injury. I think it is pretty hard for people to consider that he may be a bust.

[2short]

 Would you guys do Rozier, Hunter, Sully for him if Hunter was the sticking point they don't want Young.

Hunter no.  I think he is going to be special.  More so than smart or Bradley. 
Also if we are bringing a big into our overstocked front court we need a big going out

[BDeCosta26]

I am surprised how much some people are willing to give up for Nerlens Noel.  I think if the deal starts with Noel for Smart, I am already pausing.  I like it because I think we need a center more than a PG but trading or trading for either player is risky.  I remain high on Smart, but there is risk; durability and projecting development are big "ifs".  I don't know what to make of Noel, I just don't know his game well enough, but what I saw last season was promising.

I am guessing that something like Smart for Noel isn't going to happen, too much risk for both teams as compared to the potential reward.

He is a high lottery pick that would have been higher were it not for injury. I think it is pretty hard for people to consider that he may be a bust.

Bust is too strong a word. Noel is a very, very good defender. Even as a defensive specialist, he has pretty good value. Not many guys can protect the rim as well as he can AND be able to guard out to the perimeter. He's good enough rolling to the rim and grabbing boards to likely get at least 10/10 with decent minutes. He's way out of his comfort zone playing the PF next to Okafor. If he was here in Amir's role I think he'd be viewed in a better light.

His offensive game is poor, but he's only like 20 or 21, and he has a huge impact on the defensive end. Surrounded by guys like Olynyk, Crowder, Sully, Bradley, Smart and Thomas (plus maybe another shooter DA!) I think he could be a big impact guy for us. He could make us an awfully dangerous defense. I just don't think I'd give up Smart or the 16' Brooklyn pick for him.

[jpotter33]

Would they be more interested in Bradley ?  Or Smart ?

I'd give up Bradley, Sullinger, and Boston's own 2016 first round pick for Noel.

Not giving them Bradley. I think it's far from a given that Smart will ever be as good as Bradley.

Could be true.  But then again, people like you were dumping Bradley for peanuts just a couple of years ago.

Bradley at his worst a couple of years ago was probably better overall than Smart is right now. And while he was absolutely expendable, I don't think anyone wanted to give him away. Certainly not me.

I disagree. Honestly, the only thing that Bradley truly is undeniably better than Smart right now is shooting, granted it's by quite a bit right now. Passing, ball-handling, defense (I guess that's debatable, though Smart is a MUCH greater team defender) - literally every other aspect of the game Smart is probably better than Bradley.

I guess you could say that Bradley's shot selection is better, but I group that in with BBIQ and would still give the overall BBIQ advantage to Smart. Perhaps athleticism, too?

[celticsclay]

I am surprised how much some people are willing to give up for Nerlens Noel.  I think if the deal starts with Noel for Smart, I am already pausing.  I like it because I think we need a center more than a PG but trading or trading for either player is risky.  I remain high on Smart, but there is risk; durability and projecting development are big "ifs".  I don't know what to make of Noel, I just don't know his game well enough, but what I saw last season was promising.

I am guessing that something like Smart for Noel isn't going to happen, too much risk for both teams as compared to the potential reward.

He is a high lottery pick that would have been higher were it not for injury. I think it is pretty hard for people to consider that he may be a bust.

Bust is too strong a word. Noel is a very, very good defender. Even as a defensive specialist, he has pretty good value. Not many guys can protect the rim as well as he can AND be able to guard out to the perimeter. He's good enough rolling to the rim and grabbing boards to likely get at least 10/10 with decent minutes. He's way out of his comfort zone playing the PF next to Okafor. If he was here in Amir's role I think he'd be viewed in a better light.

His offensive game is poor, but he's only like 20 or 21, and he has a huge impact on the defensive end. Surrounded by guys like Olynyk, Crowder, Sully, Bradley, Smart and Thomas (plus maybe another shooter DA!) I think he could be a big impact guy for us. He could make us an awfully dangerous defense. I just don't think I'd give up Smart or the 16' Brooklyn pick for him.

Perhaps he is verging on being a disappointment? He was considered the sure fire number 1 pick before his injury (unless my memory is deceiving me these days). If you view him in that light now that he is fully healthy his play so far has been disappointing.

I also agree that he could turn it around completely based on his age, or just being in a better situation with some better guard play and not next to Okafor. All that being said the idea of trading a pick that projects pretty safely as top 6 at this point and a similarly disappointing prospect in Smart is a bit ludicrous. As other mentioned he is entering a tough spot contract wise. A team needs to decide whether it wants to offer him a max extension of not after limit amount of time on the court and next a bad fit on offense. If this was his second year instead of the third year of his rookie scale contract his value would be a lot higher. 

[rondohondo]

Noel seems like a Thad Young type player at his peak .

I wouldn't give up Smart or any of the Nets pick .

Maybe something like Sully and a few 2nd rd picks

[BDeCosta26]

I am surprised how much some people are willing to give up for Nerlens Noel.  I think if the deal starts with Noel for Smart, I am already pausing.  I like it because I think we need a center more than a PG but trading or trading for either player is risky.  I remain high on Smart, but there is risk; durability and projecting development are big "ifs".  I don't know what to make of Noel, I just don't know his game well enough, but what I saw last season was promising.

I am guessing that something like Smart for Noel isn't going to happen, too much risk for both teams as compared to the potential reward.

He is a high lottery pick that would have been higher were it not for injury. I think it is pretty hard for people to consider that he may be a bust.

Bust is too strong a word. Noel is a very, very good defender. Even as a defensive specialist, he has pretty good value. Not many guys can protect the rim as well as he can AND be able to guard out to the perimeter. He's good enough rolling to the rim and grabbing boards to likely get at least 10/10 with decent minutes. He's way out of his comfort zone playing the PF next to Okafor. If he was here in Amir's role I think he'd be viewed in a better light.

His offensive game is poor, but he's only like 20 or 21, and he has a huge impact on the defensive end. Surrounded by guys like Olynyk, Crowder, Sully, Bradley, Smart and Thomas (plus maybe another shooter DA!) I think he could be a big impact guy for us. He could make us an awfully dangerous defense. I just don't think I'd give up Smart or the 16' Brooklyn pick for him.

Perhaps he is verging on being a disappointment? He was considered the sure fire number 1 pick before his injury (unless my memory is deceiving me these days). If you view him in that light now that he is fully healthy his play so far has been disappointing.

I also agree that he could turn it around completely based on his age, or just being in a better situation with some better guard play and not next to Okafor. All that being said the idea of trading a pick that projects pretty safely as top 6 at this point and a similarly disappointing prospect in Smart is a bit ludicrous. As other mentioned he is entering a tough spot contract wise. A team needs to decide whether it wants to offer him a max extension of not after limit amount of time on the court and next a bad fit on offense. If this was his second year instead of the third year of his rookie scale contract his value would be a lot higher.

Yeah, he's a bit of a disappointment. He was the clear cut #1 guy before the injury and some thought he still could go that high. But it was a really weak class and most people had serious doubts about his offensive potential anyways. I think he could've made more strides with his shooting and post play, but it's hard to blame guys for not going 1000% when you play in Philly.

My thing is, he's just so out of place on that team with Okafor. Neither one of them can shoot, and they're not really surrounded by great shooters so it makes for a lot of isolated Okafor post-ups. Noel showed improvement in his offensive game last year through the season, and I think he'd continue that in a role that actually plays to his strengths. He'll never be a good offensive player, but his defense is so good that if he even becomes serviceable, he could make a huge impact for us. Just imagine a line up of Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Olynyk/Noel. That would be a seriously difficult defense to deal with.

That said, his value isn't high enough to justify trading Smart or the Brooklyn pick. Smart's value is too low to sell on right now anyways (it will be much higher when he's back playing) and the Brooklyn pick is a very likely top 5 pick. We traded #5 for Ray Allen once, during an era when 1st rounders weren't worth as much as they are now. I don't think Noel is that good, or that valuable. Love to see him and a wing scorer added to this team though. Could be onto something good if we got Noel without having to give up either of those assets.

[SHAQATTACK]

Rozier , Sully and pick

NO......Smart or Hunter in any trade .


We NEED Nerlins

I'd trade Amir and Sully , Rozier  Dallas pick .....Nerlins

If we get Noel......half the battle is won........just need a really go to wing.


Danny ......bring us Nerlins for Christmas!   Please!

[LilRip]

I am surprised how much some people are willing to give up for Nerlens Noel.  I think if the deal starts with Noel for Smart, I am already pausing.  I like it because I think we need a center more than a PG but trading or trading for either player is risky.  I remain high on Smart, but there is risk; durability and projecting development are big "ifs".  I don't know what to make of Noel, I just don't know his game well enough, but what I saw last season was promising.

I am guessing that something like Smart for Noel isn't going to happen, too much risk for both teams as compared to the potential reward.

He is a high lottery pick that would have been higher were it not for injury. I think it is pretty hard for people to consider that he may be a bust.

Bust is too strong a word. Noel is a very, very good defender. Even as a defensive specialist, he has pretty good value. Not many guys can protect the rim as well as he can AND be able to guard out to the perimeter. He's good enough rolling to the rim and grabbing boards to likely get at least 10/10 with decent minutes. He's way out of his comfort zone playing the PF next to Okafor. If he was here in Amir's role I think he'd be viewed in a better light.

His offensive game is poor, but he's only like 20 or 21, and he has a huge impact on the defensive end. Surrounded by guys like Olynyk, Crowder, Sully, Bradley, Smart and Thomas (plus maybe another shooter DA!) I think he could be a big impact guy for us. He could make us an awfully dangerous defense. I just don't think I'd give up Smart or the 16' Brooklyn pick for him.

Perhaps he is verging on being a disappointment? He was considered the sure fire number 1 pick before his injury (unless my memory is deceiving me these days). If you view him in that light now that he is fully healthy his play so far has been disappointing.

I also agree that he could turn it around completely based on his age, or just being in a better situation with some better guard play and not next to Okafor. All that being said the idea of trading a pick that projects pretty safely as top 6 at this point and a similarly disappointing prospect in Smart is a bit ludicrous. As other mentioned he is entering a tough spot contract wise. A team needs to decide whether it wants to offer him a max extension of not after limit amount of time on the court and next a bad fit on offense. If this was his second year instead of the third year of his rookie scale contract his value would be a lot higher.

Yeah, he's a bit of a disappointment. He was the clear cut #1 guy before the injury and some thought he still could go that high. But it was a really weak class and most people had serious doubts about his offensive potential anyways. I think he could've made more strides with his shooting and post play, but it's hard to blame guys for not going 1000% when you play in Philly.

My thing is, he's just so out of place on that team with Okafor. Neither one of them can shoot, and they're not really surrounded by great shooters so it makes for a lot of isolated Okafor post-ups. Noel showed improvement in his offensive game last year through the season, and I think he'd continue that in a role that actually plays to his strengths. He'll never be a good offensive player, but his defense is so good that if he even becomes serviceable, he could make a huge impact for us. Just imagine a line up of Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Olynyk/Noel. That would be a seriously difficult defense to deal with.

That said, his value isn't high enough to justify trading Smart or the Brooklyn pick. Smart's value is too low to sell on right now anyways (it will be much higher when he's back playing) and the Brooklyn pick is a very likely top 5 pick. We traded #5 for Ray Allen once, during an era when 1st rounders weren't worth as much as they are now. I don't think Noel is that good, or that valuable. Love to see him and a wing scorer added to this team though. Could be onto something good if we got Noel without having to give up either of those assets.

So would you trade IT4 for him?

[Chief Macho]

some of these trade ideas would make danny laugh.   he isn't giving up anything of real value for noel.   that trade this summer was smart and the picks for noel and their 1st.   that would have been justice.  so sure,  i'd do a smart and some late first for a noel and justice upgrade.   he sure as hell isn't giving smart up unless its a similar value.

[LilRip]

It seems that the ones that really want Noel haven't seen him play much and just go off of his defensive stats, height, and athleticism. The other camp that feels he's overrated understands the holes in his game by watching him closely.

This is quite a confident statement. Are u a Philly fan or something? is that why you watch the Sixers so often? Because I doubt anyone here has watched many Sixer games (they're so darn hard to watch).

I'd say the divide is closer to this:
Want Noel:
- sees monster defensive potential
- realizes he's playing out of position this year which has led him to look pretty bad
- young with plenty of room to grow
- Smart naysayers (optional)

Don't want Noel:
- sees limited offensive game
- sees the minutes and stats drop this year and concludes that he's not as valuable as people thought he was last year
- doesn't see much growth anymore in his career
- Smart believers (optional)

While the last point about Smart isn't really related to Noel,  because of the "conversation starts with..." talk, it becomes part of it.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I would say that the guys that the things that shouldn't be traded without a really crazy offer are: any of the Brooklyn picks, Marcus Smart, IT4, Bradley, RJ Hunter, KO, Jordan Mickey and Crowder.

The things that are decent assets and should be used to grab players in a trade if possible are: any of our picks, the Philly 2nd rounder which will be 1st overall, the Dallas pick, the Minny pick(s), Sullinger, David Lee's expiring, Amir Johnson's contract which is specifically designed to be traded, James Young, Terry Rozier and Memphis' 2018 first rounder (most likely we are getting that or their 2019 pick).

Things that are bad/clogging roster spaces that we should get rid of: any of our second rounders, Zeller, Jerebko, Miami's second rounder in 2016, Cleveland's 2017 second rounder, LA Clippers' 2nd rounder, Detroit's 2019 second rounder, Miami's 2020 second rounder and Marcus Thorton 2.

So if we can use things from the 2nd group and the 3rd group to grab someone like Noel we should do it, but let's not use Group 1 assets quite yet.

[Evantime34]

It seems that the ones that really want Noel haven't seen him play much and just go off of his defensive stats, height, and athleticism. The other camp that feels he's overrated understands the holes in his game by watching him closely.

This is quite a confident statement. Are u a Philly fan or something? is that why you watch the Sixers so often? Because I doubt anyone here has watched many Sixer games (they're so darn hard to watch).

I'd say the divide is closer to this:
Want Noel:
- sees monster defensive potential
- realizes he's playing out of position this year which has led him to look pretty bad
- young with plenty of room to grow
- Smart naysayers (optional)

Don't want Noel:
- sees limited offensive game
- sees the minutes and stats drop this year and concludes that he's not as valuable as people thought he was last year
- doesn't see much growth anymore in his career
- Smart believers (optional)

While the last point about Smart isn't really related to Noel,  because of the "conversation starts with..." talk, it becomes part of it.

Great breakdown, tp.

Completely agree on opinion of Smart being optional. I'm a pro Noel guy because of the defensive potential but I wouldn't trade Smart for him for multiple reasons. I think Smart has a higher offensive ceiling than Noel. With Noel putting up poor numbers/not playing in crunch time I'm not giving up our best prospect for him.

[positivitize]

I want Noel

I'm not gonna trade Smart for him. Seeing how this team has played with Smart out only reinforces Smart's value. Noel for IT4 + James Young + 2017 Nets sounds better to me.