Nerlens Noel Available

[celts55]

Smart, Sully, Young, Dallas 1st for Noel & Covington?
Works on trade checker. Would that be okay?

[jbpats]

I personally would trade Smart in a heartbeat for Noel.
Guards are a dime or a dozen in the NBA and I know I'm in the minority but I don't think Smart is anything special.. this forum definitely tends to put him on a higher pedestal then others outside of the Celtics world tend to. Yes his defense is above average, but as others have mentioned his offensive ability is on the lower end of the spectrum. Also, and what others have failed to mention around here, Smart is having an extremely hard time staying on the court, he missed close to 20 games last season and is on pace to miss many more this season.. not really a promising start for a player that's been in the league for two years. How isn't his durability more of a concern around here? 
I don't think Noel has shown his true potential in the NBA, he is on a team that tries to lose, it's been the wild west in Philly since he's been there. I believe if he comes to Boston, he'll regain motivation, and be hungry to show why he was such a coveted player to begin with.. not to mention he'll have to love playing in front of his home crowd.
Having said that I would NEVER give up a Brooklyn pick for him, but Smart and the Mavs pick sure.. or Smart and Sully even better, I highly doubt Sully resigns with us next year anyway. Just my .02, now cut me down ha-ha

[kozlodoev]

You missed my point of him having to sit. It's not the FT's it's that teams can play all smalls against a Noel team forcing him to defend perimeter players and he literally has nothing offensively to take advantage of the said player on the other end. For example, we can put Crowder on him and Noel won't be able to anything against him. Drummond is a different story. He can punish small ball.

Yeah, this argument is theoretically applicable to a wide range of players, including but not limited to the likes of Ben Wallace and Marcus Camby. That somehow didn't stop them from being productive players on very good teams.

[kozlodoev]

Smart's played 76 NBA games and he's only 21. People around this board praise the offense AB has developed.

Nerlens Noel has played 98 NBA games, and is in fact 40 days younger than Smart. Take your own argument and apply liberally.

[wiley]

I would love to add Noel regardless of his weaknesses.
Just not by giving up Smart or a Brooklyn pick (until we see where it lands).

What if We land Poeltl with the Dallas pick and he ends
up being almost as good defensively but better offensively? 
Then we end up sitting Noel a bunch and have
no one to truly shut down (as in slam the door shut)
The curry's and westbrooks of the world?

The Celtics are rich.  The "starting point" of the trade ideas
here are a quick root to the poorhouse.

[kozlodoev]

What if We land Poeltl with the Dallas pick and he ends up being almost as good defensively but better offensively?

It is highly improbable that we will both get a top 10 pick from Dallas, and see Poetl develop any offensive game outside of 5 feet.   

[Quetzalcoatl]

What if We land Poeltl with the Dallas pick and he ends up being almost as good defensively but better offensively?

It is highly improbable that we will both get a top 10 pick from Dallas, and see Poetl develop any offensive game outside of 5 feet.   

You know he's averaging 19 ppg this year, right?  He averaged only 9 last year and that was with a really weak start to the season that threw off his averages.  Poeltl may never be a true stretch big, but he's shooting 65% ft which is respectable and 20% up from last year.  His offense is improving as much as anybody could possibly want.

[pearljammer10]

Smart's played 76 NBA games and he's only 21. People around this board praise the offense AB has developed.

Nerlens Noel has played 98 NBA games, and is in fact 40 days younger than Smart. Take your own argument and apply liberally.

So you disregarded the rest of my post in which I say Noel is overrated and that I wouldn't trade Smart for him?

This for the same reason I have applied to Smart. If Smart is going to "figure it out" then why wouldn't Noel be in that same category? I think Noel has a lot more "figuring out" to do than Smart does.

[slamtheking]

Smart's played 76 NBA games and he's only 21. People around this board praise the offense AB has developed.

Nerlens Noel has played 98 NBA games, and is in fact 40 days younger than Smart. Take your own argument and apply liberally.

and Noel is one year further along in his rookie deal.  I have little doubt that at this point next season, Smart will have more than 98 games under his belt.  Noel should have stayed for his sophomore year like Smart to further develop his game.  not sure there's a winning side to this argument

[kozlodoev]

What if We land Poeltl with the Dallas pick and he ends up being almost as good defensively but better offensively?

It is highly improbable that we will both get a top 10 pick from Dallas, and see Poetl develop any offensive game outside of 5 feet.   

You know he's averaging 19 ppg this year, right?  He averaged only 9 last year and that was with a really weak start to the season that threw off his averages.  Poeltl may never be a true stretch big, but he's shooting 65% ft which is respectable and 20% up from last year.  His offense is improving as much as anybody could possibly want.

Oh, I'll be happy to get Poetl, I just suspect he's a more realistic haul from the Nets pick rather than the Dallas pick

[slamtheking]

just a thought for those going back and forth here.

I've been of the opinion that Philly is such a mess that I would not be surprised to see Noel refuse to resign in Philly and play out his QO in order to hit free agency sooner and leave Philly in his rearview mirror.

I think that's when someone makes the deal to get Noel and for pennies on the dollar --> much like the Monroe situation this past summer.

[ssspence]

It seems that the ones that really want Noel haven't seen him play much and just go off of his defensive stats, height, and athleticism. The other camp that feels he's overrated understands the holes in his game by watching him closely.

I think the exact opposite is true. Rating Noel on stats is misunderstanding and underestimating his capabilities, not unlikely Smart. But it's hardly a reach to imagine that most have watched Smart more than Noel on this board...

[pearljammer10]

What if We land Poeltl with the Dallas pick and he ends up being almost as good defensively but better offensively?

It is highly improbable that we will both get a top 10 pick from Dallas, and see Poetl develop any offensive game outside of 5 feet.   

You know he's averaging 19 ppg this year, right?  He averaged only 9 last year and that was with a really weak start to the season that threw off his averages.  Poeltl may never be a true stretch big, but he's shooting 65% ft which is respectable and 20% up from last year.  His offense is improving as much as anybody could possibly want.

Dallas currently sits at number 4 in the West. Obviously its early in the season and I don't expect them to stay in that top four slot, but thinking we'll get a top ten pick from Dallas in order to pick up a guy like Poeltl is kind of a stretch from my eyes.

[jpotter33]

Well, first by trading off Smart now we'd be doing a great disservice to ourselves, because his trade value is about as low as it's ever been right now. He's only played 9 games this year, most of which were sandwiched around injuries. I don't think it's fair that so many people are down on Smart due to his play this year, because he's been dealing with injuries all year long that have undoubtedly affected his offensive play, though his defensive play has been stellar. Being down on him potentially being injury-prone? Maybe, though his injury was from him stepping on a guy's foot on a fast break, which is something that just happens in basketball.

I still think that Smart has the potential to be the better two-way player between him and Noel, and with Noel's current limitations and trade value being so low, I'm not giving up Smart for him right now. Let's not forget that Noel's trade value is also pretty low right now due to playing out of position. Smart and the Brooklyn picks are off the table for me, but I'd give up Rozier or Young and the Dallas pick for him right now.

[MBunge]

A swap of Smart for Noel is nothing something I'd be adamantly opposed to but only if we aren't sending out multiple other assets.  You can't give Noel credit for everything last year and then give him a pass for falling off a cliff this year.

Mike