Happy trails to Hinkie's Power.

[SHAQATTACK]

Glade the rest of the  owners are tired watching Philly twerps  play games and milk the system at the expense of the fans and the rest of the league



The team is so bad as it's even not worth counting a win against them as an actual victory.

What meaning is there in a victory against a team designed to loose .

NBA should have reacted faster and not let Phily follow though with this type of business.

NBA fault for NOT putting a stop to multiple year tanking on purpose .

I would severely put a hurt on the owners share of NBA revenue ......they are not earning .....but driving fans away

[colincb]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14317233/nba-owners-lobbied-league-office-philadelphia-76ers-changes

Since the summer of 2014, NBA owners have been lobbying the league's front office to step in with regard to the direction of the Philadelphia 76ers, sources told ESPN.com on Monday night. It was that effort that helped lead to the hiring of Jerry Colangelo to a senior position earlier Monday, the sources said.

Owners routinely complained about the economic drag the 76ers were inflicting on the league as the revenues of one of the largest-market teams -- a franchise expected to contribute more robustly to league revenue-sharing -- sagged. For many teams, games featuring the starless and woeful 76ers as the visiting team have been the lowest-attended of the season, sources said.

I'm surprised Silver waited so long. I suspect the Okafor fiasco was the straw that broke the NBA camel's back because Colangelo was approached around Thanksgiving supposedly. Record losing streaks for an American major sport; the team's best asset screwing up for public consumption; an abrasive GM p---ing off agents, players, NBA execs, and the media; a team gaming the rules getting paid by the other owners via revenue sharing,  other teams revenues/values being adversely affected, etc., etc, etc.

[LarBrd33]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

[LooseCannon]

Which is just nonsense.  There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Stauskus and Wroten are two players who are worse than Austin Rivers.

[SHAQATTACK]

I like what Mike Green said .....no socialism in pro sports .......do not want to reward teams for being bad .    Teams that achieve should get the higher picks .

[celticsclay]

Which is just nonsense.  There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Stauskus and Wroten are two players who are worse than Austin Rivers.

I would wager that not all of those players will be on NBA rosters next season so you are the one using hyperbole. How do all those players fit on the Warriors roster? Or the roster of other good NBA teams? You realize Stauskas is supposed to be only good as shooter and is shooting 35% from the field and 30% from the field? He is looking very much like Jimmer Fredette right now. (In fact those are worse than Fredette's numbers in last season of getting playing time with Sacramento). I find it pretty hilarious you accuse others of using hyperbole and then use it yourself to make a point. There are obviously plenty of teams in the NBA that would not sign all of those players if they were available (how many do you honestly think the Celtics would sign, who would we cut to do so). That makes your declaration pure hyperbole.

[celticsclay]

Still got the crow picture?

im sure I can find it.  I'll let you borrow it in a couple years if you end up being wrong about Philly's plan failing.

You want to take back your brown is ML Carr comment? Or just keep making a fool of yourself?

[LarBrd33]

I mean in a bubble if the season was over right now, I'd say I'd gladly trade Avery Bradley + Jared SUllinger for their unprotected 1st.   Getting top 5 talent in the draft is how you build a contender.   There's no way Bradley + Sully is worth a top 3 pick normally. 

But then... would you even have the guts to do that 1/4th of the way through the season?   Say they follow up that move by trading Okafor for a SF like Tobias Harris.    We got Thomas for a late 1st last year... PHilly has two of them (Miami and Okafor)...  say they trade those two picks for another rotation player like Goran Dragic.     Within a day, they could have a roster of Goran Dragic, Bradley, Harris, Sully, Noel with a bench filled of guys like Covington, Wroten, Canaan, Grant, Stauskas... say they flip some of those young guys for vets who can contribute like Luis Scola.     There's 3/4th of the season left to play... is that enough for Philly to win some games and finish above the Lakers, Brooklyn, etc?   

Say they decide to trade their top 3 protected Laker 1st (2017 unprotected) + a handful of young players and future picks for Cousins mid-season...   Say the team plays .500 from here on out...  It's unlikely, but not impossible.

Who would trade for their pick right now?  You never know what they will do afterwards.  I wouldn't trade for their pick right now.  So I imagine they will not get fair value for it in December.   So nothing will happen... they'll tank the rest of the season and deal with their gold hoard in the summer.

[footey]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

Wrong.  They "not so smartly" decided to take a redundant, position player, and neglected to take the best player available in the draft, Porzingis.  That will turn out to be a very poor decision.  I know the it is too early to tell for stat geeks that Porzingis is a far superior talent to Okafor in today's NBA game, but I predict this decision, not Embiid pick (which I still think makes a lot of sense), will be the undoing of Hinkie.

[celticsclay]

I don't think there is evidence that the Sixer's "plan" has failed.  What all the articles say is that the plan has failed to produce a "game changer" so far.  They may have a game changer who just hasn't developed yet, they may get a game changer in the next draft, they may have all Greg Oden-type prospects.  Who knows.  Game changers aren't that easy to find.  Cleveland had, what, 3 #1s in four years and did they get a game changer?

I don't see that the problem or the concern of the NBA is that the "plan" is failing to assemble assets.  They do have assets and with the exception of Embiid, all those assets hold current value.  The problem is that they are an embarrassment to the league and continue to do trades that are solely for the intent of tanking.  I don't think it matters to the league how well the "plan" is working or not working.  Not sure what the NBA can do to stop them but I think this is an effort to stop the tank.

Cleveland got Irving and Wiggins with those picks.  Wiggins appears like he could be a game changer and Irving is a clear all star level player. 

The Sixers haven't made a trade in awhile.  In fact, the team is pretty similar to last year with Okafor, Stauskas and McConnell added and Mbah a Moute, Henry Sims, and Ish Smith removed.  That is a clear talent upgrade.  Wroten is due back this week, he should provide a big boost to the backcourt. 

The Sixers also reached out to a couple of restricted free agents last summer (Butler and Leonard) who both ended up re-signing with their current teams.  Those two guys were the only all star level prospects on the market last year.  The Sixers made calls and were rejected, as were every other team pursuing those guys.  Outside of them, Monroe (who didn't make sense roster wise), Aldridge (who was never going to Philly), and Harris (a restricted free agent that re-signed) were really the only good youngish players on the market.  The Sixers got a bunch of crap for not signing any free agents, but who were they going to sign, guys like Paul Pierce (who wouldn't go there anyway), Brandon Bass, Lou Williams, etc.  I mean those would have been silly signings that would have done nothing for Philly.   

You call signing Bass silly, but maybe he is on the team Okafor isn't clubbing all the time and getting in fist fights in multiple cities. You can call that silly, but their own head coach has lamented the fact they don't have a veteran around that is playing. I think I will take his opinion more heavily than yours. If we wanted to be silly we could say maybe bass could teach Noel how to hit a jump shot 

[jambr380]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

Wrong.  They "not so smartly" decided to take a redundant, position player, and neglected to take the best player available in the draft, Porzingis.  That will turn out to be a very poor decision.  I know the it is too early to tell for stat geeks that Porzingis is a far superior talent to Okafor in today's NBA game, but I predict this decision, not Embiid pick (which I still think makes a lot of sense), will be the undoing of Hinkie.

Porzingis is looking like the superior player, but at the time of the draft, Okafor was very clearly ahead of Porzingis on draft boards.

And, Lar, it's not that I don't agree with you that Philly has a lot of quality assets and most likely would have made some big moves next summer, but this Colangelo move is only bad for the position that you've held all along. Because Colangelo is here, we will never know for sure if the Sixers would have cashed in on their assets without him. That sucks, because I am sure you are going to get a lot of additional crap around here.

[Moranis]

Which is just nonsense.  There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Stauskus and Wroten are two players who are worse than Austin Rivers.

I would wager that not all of those players will be on NBA rosters next season so you are the one using hyperbole. How do all those players fit on the Warriors roster? Or the roster of other good NBA teams? You realize Stauskas is supposed to be only good as shooter and is shooting 35% from the field and 30% from the field? He is looking very much like Jimmer Fredette right now. (In fact those are worse than Fredette's numbers in last season of getting playing time with Sacramento). I find it pretty hilarious you accuse others of using hyperbole and then use it yourself to make a point. There are obviously plenty of teams in the NBA that would not sign all of those players if they were available (how many do you honestly think the Celtics would sign, who would we cut to do so). That makes your declaration pure hyperbole.

well sure no team would sign all 5, but I imagine if we could get any one of those guys and wouldn't take a financial hit to cut Young, Young would be gone.

[footey]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

Wrong.  They "not so smartly" decided to take a redundant, position player, and neglected to take the best player available in the draft, Porzingis.  That will turn out to be a very poor decision.  I know the it is too early to tell for stat geeks that Porzingis is a far superior talent to Okafor in today's NBA game, but I predict this decision, not Embiid pick (which I still think makes a lot of sense), will be the undoing of Hinkie.

Porzingis is looking like the superior player, but at the time of the draft, Okafor was very clearly ahead of Porzingis on draft boards.

And, Lar, it's not that I don't agree with you that Philly has a lot of quality assets and most likely would have made some big moves next summer, but this Colangelo move is only bad for the position that you've held all along. Because Colangelo is here, we will never know for sure if the Sixers would have cashed in on their assets without him. That sucks, because I am sure you are going to get a lot of additional crap around here.

Draft boards are created by bloggers and sports writers, not shrewd GM's, who create their own.  While I admit it is too soon to say it was a bad decision, I feel very confident that we will look back in a year or two and say, "how could they have taken anyone (except, maybe, Town) over Porzingis?  This kid is going to be very special. It hurts me to say that, I really dislike the Knicks and Phil Jackson, who basically lucked into the pick.  The Lakers too will really regret taking Russell over Porzingis.

[Moranis]

The Colangelo move seems like it is the Sixers showing they are moving into the next phase of their rebuild.

Hinkie was tasked with obtaining assets and now Colangelo will step in to build a team from those assets. For the first time in several years I think the Sixers will attempt to use their cap space this offseason.

Right... And nothing will happen until this offseason.   

I think philly was probably going to try to win this year.  Heading into the offseason all I heard about was them making offers to restricted free agents like Harris and Middleton... but embiid needed a bone graft while saric stayed overseas... Their target (Russell) was taken off the board... So they smartly decided to take the best player available and tank one more year.  They didn't sign a single player who could help them win.  They certainly had money to do it.  They are in this situation by design.

Nothing that will happen here wasn't going to happen already.  Unless they shockingly trade their Ben Simmons lotto pick, it will just be more of the same until the season ends.  Colangelo will "take his time to evaluate the team and make sure they make the best moves"... Which will coincide with the team finishing with the worst record.  They will figure out what to do with their assets this summer and finally open their pocket books for vets.   Media will spin it as colangelo saving the franchise.  We will know it as the obvious next step for a franchise that managed to go all-in on a tank strategy for a few years and succeeded in loading up on a crap-ton of assets.   Should be interesting to see what kind of team they form from the piles of gold they have been hoarding.

Wrong.  They "not so smartly" decided to take a redundant, position player, and neglected to take the best player available in the draft, Porzingis.  That will turn out to be a very poor decision.  I know the it is too early to tell for stat geeks that Porzingis is a far superior talent to Okafor in today's NBA game, but I predict this decision, not Embiid pick (which I still think makes a lot of sense), will be the undoing of Hinkie.

Porzingis is looking like the superior player, but at the time of the draft, Okafor was very clearly ahead of Porzingis on draft boards.

And, Lar, it's not that I don't agree with you that Philly has a lot of quality assets and most likely would have made some big moves next summer, but this Colangelo move is only bad for the position that you've held all along. Because Colangelo is here, we will never know for sure if the Sixers would have cashed in on their assets without him. That sucks, because I am sure you are going to get a lot of additional crap around here.

The Sixers were never going to cash in on their assets and I would be amazed if they do it now.  It is just a silly thing to do unless they get a clear franchise talent out of it.  Like Cousins for Okafor and Lakers pick (or something like that).  The Sixers will do the same thing they did last summer next summer i.e. find a couple of a free agent targets and try to sign them.  If it doesn't work out they aren't going to go signing guys like Brandon Bass to contracts.  It just won't happen.  If the draft lottery doesn't go their way i.e. they get #2 and Skal instead of #1 and Simmons then if they don't trade the pick (which I think would be a real possibility - say Boston gets 3 or 4, Philly gets 2, I could certainly see Philly going back a spot or two and picking up something else so Boston can move up for Skal) I would imagine Okafor or Noel will get traded, but it won't be a dumping it will be something of equal or near equal value (like some young wing/guard with all star potential). 

[celticsclay]

Which is just nonsense.  There isn't a team in the league wouldn't sign Covington, Stauskas, Wroten, Thompson, and Grant to their roster immediately if they were available (at least at vet minimum type contracts).  Marshall had more suitors than just Philly last summer. 

People love to talk in hyperbole with the Sixers.  It is the new fun thing to do, but it is just silly talk.

Stauskus and Wroten are two players who are worse than Austin Rivers.

I would wager that not all of those players will be on NBA rosters next season so you are the one using hyperbole. How do all those players fit on the Warriors roster? Or the roster of other good NBA teams? You realize Stauskas is supposed to be only good as shooter and is shooting 35% from the field and 30% from the field? He is looking very much like Jimmer Fredette right now. (In fact those are worse than Fredette's numbers in last season of getting playing time with Sacramento). I find it pretty hilarious you accuse others of using hyperbole and then use it yourself to make a point. There are obviously plenty of teams in the NBA that would not sign all of those players if they were available (how many do you honestly think the Celtics would sign, who would we cut to do so). That makes your declaration pure hyperbole.

well sure no team would sign all 5, but I imagine if we could get any one of those guys and wouldn't take a financial hit to cut Young, Young would be gone.

We cut Young to sign Thompson or Grant? I really highly doubt that. I doubt we would even sign Stauskas. Stauskas is 2 or 3 years older than Young and has shown the same amount of NBA level contribution this far. Your ongoing overvaluing of their backups and role players is the funniest thing on this board to me. I can't figure out if you are serious or just seeing how long people will engage the ludicrous position.