This team need a real coach....

[MBunge]

Im in disbelief that a celtics fan would actually write that Brad Stevens "isn't a real coach".  Thats absurd.

I guess hoping for simple things such as drawing some actual plays, making adjustments, and playing to your roster's strengths is absurd.

I know this team doesn't have much, but the steadfast refusal to make the best of what they have is getting really old really quick.

What should the Celtics be doing differently to play to their strengths?

Based on their flawed roster, i think they are doing pretty well.

Kendrick Perkins and Stephen Adams played a combined 48 minutes, yet even though KO had some foul trouble and a +/- of -13, Tyler Zeller played 15 whole minutes.  Last night was an absolutely perfect time to give Zeller more run.

Mike

In that you'd like to see what Zeller is capable of, or as a way for the Celtics to try to win the game?

Both.

Zeller isn't some vet we're looking to deal at the deadline.  If you're not going to play him when the other team is playing relatively immobile centers, when is he every going to play. 

And I'd like to at least see him play enough to know if he's any better of a lane clogger/rim protector than KO.

Mike

[MBunge]

i think stevens is similar to his players, learning as he goes. losing leads is hard, but understandable if the talent is not there.

That loss was not about talent.  That's a cop out where every win is because Stevens is a great coach but every loss is because we just suck.

I'm not going crazy.  I like a lot of what I'm seeing from Stevens and that Chicago win was a great step forward.  But turning double digit leads into losses twice in the span of 7 games is worrying.  It also seemed like depth was going to be a strength of this team but we've only got 7 guys playing over 20 minutes.  Chicago, where Thibs is infamous for running guys into the ground, has got 8 guys averaging over 20 minutes.

Mike

[bruinsandceltics]

i think stevens is similar to his players, learning as he goes. losing leads is hard, but understandable if the talent is not there.

That loss was not about talent.  That's a cop out where every win is because Stevens is a great coach but every loss is because we just suck.

I'm not going crazy.  I like a lot of what I'm seeing from Stevens and that Chicago win was a great step forward.  But turning double digit leads into losses twice in the span of 7 games is worrying.  It also seemed like depth was going to be a strength of this team but we've only got 7 guys playing over 20 minutes.  Chicago, where Thibs is infamous for running guys into the ground, has got 8 guys averaging over 20 minutes.

Mike

That loss was not on the coach. lol

Not much a coach can do when no one on your team wants to try to play defense. Especially since we have so little talent on this team.

Also, in what world did you think this team would have depth? That's insane.

[MBunge]

i think stevens is similar to his players, learning as he goes. losing leads is hard, but understandable if the talent is not there.

That loss was not about talent.  That's a cop out where every win is because Stevens is a great coach but every loss is because we just suck.

I'm not going crazy.  I like a lot of what I'm seeing from Stevens and that Chicago win was a great step forward.  But turning double digit leads into losses twice in the span of 7 games is worrying.  It also seemed like depth was going to be a strength of this team but we've only got 7 guys playing over 20 minutes.  Chicago, where Thibs is infamous for running guys into the ground, has got 8 guys averaging over 20 minutes.

Mike

That loss was not on the coach. lol

Not much a coach can do when no one on your team wants to try to play defense. Especially since we have so little talent on this team.

Also, in what world did you think this team would have depth? That's insane.

If you don't have any control over what your team does during games, why are you getting paid millions of dollars a year?

As for depth, Bradley, Green, Bass, Thornton are all proven rotation caliber players and Rondo is an all star.  Do you think Sully, KO, Smart and Zeller will all be out of the league after their rookie deals?  Now add the somewhat dubious Evan Turner and Gerald Wallace to that list.  AND the fact that the Celtics played and Stevens coached in the pre-season like they were expecting to be a deep team.

And when I say deep, that does not mean good.  It just means spreading the minutes around.

Mike

[eugen]

Another game lost at home being 17 points up. Totally incompetent coach, not able to manage a game being in advantage 10 or more points all the time. Impossible to understand what strategy he used to manage last 7 seconds of the game. Embarrassing situation. Shame shame...

[dreamgreen]

What was even worse IMO is we come out in the beginning of the fourth quarter like the game was over and stopped playing and they came at us hard. Momentum has totally switched and Brad never called time out to stop/change that, I couldn't believe it!!

He continually has the ball in the wrong peoples hands at the end of quarters also when the shot clock is winding down.

Rondo should never be taking a game winning shot, never!!

I could go on ...

[celtics2030]

Rondo always had the ball during the big 3 run

always baffled me as well.

[eugen]

Rondo always had the ball during the big 3 run

always baffled me as well.

Exactly. For this wrong ball managing issues Rondo has several fights with Doc, PP and Ray Allen

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Another game lost at home being 17 points up. Totally incompetent coach, not able to manage a game being in advantage 10 or more points all the time. Impossible to understand what strategy he used to manage last 7 seconds of the game. Embarrassing situation. Shame shame...

so he gets no credit for getting up 17? you can't have it both ways. jesus, the inanity around here is staggering.
eugene, you have never once offered an idea of what could be different, or how things could be better. quit whining and offer one constructive idea, otherwise your pouting has zero merit.

[rondohondo]

Another game lost at home being 17 points up. Totally incompetent coach, not able to manage a game being in advantage 10 or more points all the time. Impossible to understand what strategy he used to manage last 7 seconds of the game. Embarrassing situation. Shame shame...

so he gets no credit for getting up 17? you can't have it both ways. jesus, the inanity around here is staggering.
eugene, you have never once offered an idea of what could be different, or how things could be better. quit whining and offer one constructive idea, otherwise your pouting has zero merit.

I don't think stevens in in danger of losing his job, but the loss tonight is strictly on him . He sat KO, Rondo and Sully way to long in the 4th . We could have put this game away at the start of the 4th , but took our foot off the peddle sitting our 3 best offensive players .  Then guard Lebron with Rondo in iso in a tied game with 30 secs left.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Another game lost at home being 17 points up. Totally incompetent coach, not able to manage a game being in advantage 10 or more points all the time. Impossible to understand what strategy he used to manage last 7 seconds of the game. Embarrassing situation. Shame shame...

so he gets no credit for getting up 17? you can't have it both ways. jesus, the inanity around here is staggering.
eugene, you have never once offered an idea of what could be different, or how things could be better. quit whining and offer one constructive idea, otherwise your pouting has zero merit.

I don't think stevens in in danger of losing his job, but the loss tonight is strictly on him . He sat KO, Rondo and Sully way to long in the 4th . We could have put this game away at the start of the 4th , but took our foot off the peddle sitting our 3 best offensive players .  Then guard Lebron with Rondo in iso in a tied game with 30 secs left.

Eh, that assumes a lot. The Cavs are a really good basketball team. It isn;t a given that The C's would put them away with any lineup. If anything they played way above their heads for 3 quarters. No one wants to give any credit for that, but come losing by one point to the preseason Eastern Conference champs the daggers come out. It just seems shortsighted and foolish to me. The Celtics, as currently constructed, aren't that great a team. This isn't the place where I list all the ways they need to improve; they've been gone through endlessly. But realistic expectations should be a thing. Treating the Cavs as chopped liver is dumb. Who should guard LeBron? How should the team D be in that scenario?

The Celtics played [dang] well tonight, loss and blown lead and all. Just listen to how The Cavs talk about the team if you need an opinion. Of course they will lose games. They are a young team. And with time they'll win more than they lose. That is how it goes. You don't wake up one day and win them all. But if you take the word of those around the league they all think Stevens is a good coach. They all think this team is moving in the right direction. It is only here on celticsblog where the entitled masses think all is a failure. Learn to enjoy the process and enjoy the game of basketball, otherwise it is like being an 8 year old who only cares if the team wins every game and cries when they don't. Basketball is too much fun to be so caught up in winning everything.

[rondohondo]

Another game lost at home being 17 points up. Totally incompetent coach, not able to manage a game being in advantage 10 or more points all the time. Impossible to understand what strategy he used to manage last 7 seconds of the game. Embarrassing situation. Shame shame...

so he gets no credit for getting up 17? you can't have it both ways. jesus, the inanity around here is staggering.
eugene, you have never once offered an idea of what could be different, or how things could be better. quit whining and offer one constructive idea, otherwise your pouting has zero merit.

I don't think stevens in in danger of losing his job, but the loss tonight is strictly on him . He sat KO, Rondo and Sully way to long in the 4th . We could have put this game away at the start of the 4th , but took our foot off the peddle sitting our 3 best offensive players .  Then guard Lebron with Rondo in iso in a tied game with 30 secs left.

Eh, that assumes a lot. The Cavs are a really good basketball team. It isn;t a given that The C's would put them away with any lineup. If anything they played way above their heads for 3 quarters. No one wants to give any credit for that, but come losing by one point to the preseason Eastern Conference champs the daggers come out. It just seems shortsighted and foolish to me. The Celtics, as currently constructed, aren't that great a team. This isn't the place where I list all the ways they need to improve; they've been gone through endlessly. But realistic expectations should be a thing. Treating the Cavs as chopped liver is dumb. Who should guard LeBron? How should the team D be in that scenario?

The Celtics played [dang] well tonight, loss and blown lead and all. Just listen to how The Cavs talk about the team if you need an opinion. Of course they will lose games. They are a young team. And with time they'll win more than they lose. That is how it goes. You don't wake up one day and win them all. But if you take the word of those around the league they all think Stevens is a good coach. They all think this team is moving in the right direction. It is only here on celticsblog where the entitled masses think all is a failure. Learn to enjoy the process and enjoy the game of basketball, otherwise it is like being an 8 year old who only cares if the team wins every game and cries when they don't. Basketball is too much fun to be so caught up in winning everything.

I don't doubt that stevens is a good coach, Popavich has raved about him. The thing is , with his subs he has been really bad . KO was lighting it up , but sat the majority of the 4th . Sully doesn't get nearly enough touches . Rondo guarding lebron at the end of the game . It was a bad night for Stevens.

[eugen]

Another game not managed well in particular in last 2-3 minutes. Cannot lose games in this way against a mediocre team. Hard to understand how can Bradley can play the ball in the last minute when is important to manage wisely the ball. Where is the coach?! 

Plus...Rondo missed 3 of 3 free throw in the end. Ugly moment clearly tells he is not a player than can change or decide the game...Can you imagine Lebron or Carmelo to lose 3 of 3 three throws???

[SHAQATTACK]

Stevens is really biting at the end of these games.

I predicting .....the Celtics will throw the game away ...if I can ...you know the other team knows ...the Celtics can't close a game ..

No .....team leader ....poor coaching ....no person to step up and make a play when it counts

Just awful

Miss you KG 




Rondo can hit a free throw to save his life ....just awful for a guard l

[MBunge]

It's getting harder and harder to figure out this team.  They've almost completely changed from a surprisingly decent defensive team that would have trouble scoring to a great offense that is awful defensively, yet both versions implode over and over in the 4th quarter and the end of games.

Mike