This team need a real coach....

[Celtics4ever]

Well, let's be real for a moment - our halfcourt offense does suck.

  So does our talent at scoring.

Our aggression on defense early helped spur our 25-9 lead

  We had a good plan but they adjusted well and their backcourt talent pawned us scoring wise

[guava_wrench]

Well, let's be real for a moment - our halfcourt offense does suck.  Our aggression on defense early helped spur our 25-9 lead in the first quarter, but then it seemed like to tried to over think things, when all we needed to do was to keep it simple by continuing to get the ball to Green against Derozan, who was abusing DD on both ends and could easily have had another 35 point game, and Sullinger, who hardly missed either when he posted up, but didn't get the shot attempts, which kind of baffles me because the Raptors were without Amir Johnson and Valan?i?nas.  Not only were we scoring with regularity when we went to those mismatches, but we also never turned the ball over, which is all I really need to say, lol .  Sigh.  Ah well, at least Rondo was outstanding .

No, our shooting got us the lead. We hit our first 7 or 8 shots. We were moving the ball so well guys were getting easy scores at the rim.

Thing is, teams make adjustments. They take away what was previously working. Plus, there is the law of large numbers problem. Guys can bury consecutive shots with a small sample size, but increase the sample size and their percentages will regress to the mean.

[Jonny CC]

also, why are we trying to be a perimeter team with no actual "shooters"?

 

Good point. 

[guava_wrench]

also, why are we trying to be a perimeter team with no actual "shooters"?

 

Good point. 

What do you mean? Aren't we among the league leaders at points near the hoop?

[crownsy]

also, why are we trying to be a perimeter team with no actual "shooters"?

 

Good point. 

What do you mean? Aren't we among the league leaders at points near the hoop?

Right, but we suck at premiter shooting. Frankly i'm surprised teams respect our shooters this much, allowing driving lanes.

I see what Stevens is doing and like it, but we need a few guards who can carry it out, and a unicorn, AKA a center who plays great D and can shoot the 3 and work the paint. I can't recall the last true center that could do that.  Maybe Sheed in his prime?

[Beat LA]

Well, let's be real for a moment - our halfcourt offense does suck.  Our aggression on defense early helped spur our 25-9 lead in the first quarter, but then it seemed like to tried to over think things, when all we needed to do was to keep it simple by continuing to get the ball to Green against Derozan, who was abusing DD on both ends and could easily have had another 35 point game, and Sullinger, who hardly missed either when he posted up, but didn't get the shot attempts, which kind of baffles me because the Raptors were without Amir Johnson and Valan?i?nas.  Not only were we scoring with regularity when we went to those mismatches, but we also never turned the ball over, which is all I really need to say, lol .  Sigh.  Ah well, at least Rondo was outstanding .

No, our shooting got us the lead. We hit our first 7 or 8 shots. We were moving the ball so well guys were getting easy scores at the rim.

Thing is, teams make adjustments. They take away what was previously working. Plus, there is the law of large numbers problem. Guys can bury consecutive shots with a small sample size, but increase the sample size and their percentages will regress to the mean.

No, I know.  We came out hitting like the Mavs the other night for a short period of time, lol, so I was already uneasy about that .  As to your point about teams making adjustments, while I completely agree, wasn't that supposed to be one of Stevens' strengths as a coach.  I remember a lot of people calling him 'a genius' last year when he was hired, and in the early part of the year when we achieved surprising success, so what happened to that guy, and where is the trap that he sprung on teams?  Watching Miami being so confused by it was hilarious.  Still, I do think that we need to keep it simple offensively.

[guava_wrench]

also, why are we trying to be a perimeter team with no actual "shooters"?

 

Good point. 

What do you mean? Aren't we among the league leaders at points near the hoop?

Right, but we suck at premiter shooting. Frankly i'm surprised teams respect our shooters this much, allowing driving lanes.

I see what Stevens is doing and like it, but we need a few guards who can carry it out, and a unicorn, AKA a center who plays great D and can shoot the 3 and work the paint. I can't recall the last true center that could do that.  Maybe Sheed in his prime?

I'm not sure what is meant by 'perimeter team' if we are scoring that much near the hoop.

[Jonny CC]

also, why are we trying to be a perimeter team with no actual "shooters"?

 

Good point. 

What do you mean? Aren't we among the league leaders at points near the hoop?

Right, but we suck at premiter shooting. Frankly i'm surprised teams respect our shooters this much, allowing driving lanes.

I see what Stevens is doing and like it, but we need a few guards who can carry it out, and a unicorn, AKA a center who plays great D and can shoot the 3 and work the paint. I can't recall the last true center that could do that.  Maybe Sheed in his prime?

I'm not sure what is meant by 'perimeter team' if we are scoring that much near the hoop.

The perimeter isn't near the hoop.  It is outside the free throw line.

[a_new_hope]

This thread baffles me. We have less talent than 90% of the league. We have a bunch of new players to integrate. Our best player missed the bulk the pre-season and half of last season. We have no center. And we have lost to the teams that have more talent, and have continuity... and aside from the horror of the Houston game, we've played hard. The players have to play together to get better. Steven's can't get on the court and make the plays. He can teach and motivate. Throwing Steven's under the bus is just weird.

[Celtics4ever]

Maybe we need real fans?   Just kidding.

[a_new_hope]

*SIGH* I'm trying to be a real fan. I spent the last half hour huffing gasoline and beating my head with a hammer. It's all becoming clear now. Pitino... we must have... Rick Pitino. I mean, here we are on the brink of another title... can we really afford another 4 games with Brad Stevens? It would be different if the fool would just consult appropriately vetted members of an elite Internet message board.

[TheTruthFot18]

This team need a real coach....
Can not lose games after being up to 15 or more points...Is not a real coach. Can not manage a NBA team...

Yikes! Then Blatt and Brooks must already be on the chopping block.

[kozlodoev]

This team need a real coach....
Can not lose games after being up to 15 or more points...Is not a real coach. Can not manage a NBA team...

Yikes! Then Blatt and Brooks must already be on the chopping block.

Blatt was on the chopping board before the season even started.

[2short]

*SIGH* I'm trying to be a real fan. I spent the last half hour huffing gasoline and beating my head with a hammer. It's all becoming clear now. Pitino... we must have... Rick Pitino. I mean, here we are on the brink of another title... can we really afford another 4 games with Brad Stevens? It would be different if the fool would just consult appropriately vetted members of an elite Internet message board.

tp

[DarkAzcura]

lol. Stevens through 4 games has already schemed and created a more effective offense than whatever Doc was able to do with three hall of famers. Our defense has been putrid, though, which I feel has more to do with having no interior presence than coaching itself. Statistically we have had the hardest schedule in the league through 4 games. 4 previous playoff teams. Two title contenders. We came back from 30 down to make it a one shot game within a minute. We blew another team out by 30 to win the game by 16. Laid an egg against Houston, but that is simply a terrible matchup for us regardless. I'm sad about the Toronto game, but they need to maintain their energy for 48 minutes and rotate better. Your blame is the wrong place.

I know this thread is a joke and all, and i'm not ready to bail on Stevens yet...But there's certainly things I'd like to see done differently. off the top of my head - why do we have 3 PG's on the roster and we play a SG over 2 of 'em...who is no better than them...and then we play a PG at SG?

also, why are we trying to be a perimeter team with no actual "shooters"?

 

There's objectively no way about arguing this. Even if the Celtics shoot 30% from 3, it is as effective as shooting 45% from mid-range. What do you think is more likely? What do you think is better for spacing? It doesn't matter if we aren't an elite shooting team. Shooting 3s is better than shooting mid-range shots unless you are a mid-range phenom like Dirk...or Bass I guess. Plus what other offensive option do we have other than running a motion offense to open up three point shooters? Sullinger can play the post..occasionally depending on the matchup. He's not a post threat on any given day. Smart can draw fouls, but he's a rookie who isn't being depended on within our offense yet. Our best offensive options are Bradley, Green, Sullinger, and Olynyk..and all 4 can actually shoot 3s, but none of the 4 are an iso threat on any given night. Running, keeping the pace up, and shooting 3s every now and then is our only option with limited talent and a PG who excels in transition...and I'd actually say it's working considering our ORTG through pre-season and the regular season is far higher than it has been in several years when we had way more talent.