Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery

[hpantazo]

I think a very interesting indication of what Biyombo is worth is what his own team offers him. If they make almost no offer or a small one there's your answer.

Exactly. It's not like they are oozing with talent at the PF/C spot either.

[LarBrd33]

I think a very interesting indication of what Biyombo is worth is what his own team offers him. If they make almost no offer or a small one there's your answer.

Exactly. It's not like they are oozing with talent at the PF/C spot either.

Keep in mind the Hornets also have a starting all-star caliber center in al Jefferson, a big man they took 4th two years ago and a big man they took 9th last year and the 9th pick in this draft.  You can't blame them if they refuse to match Boston's 40 million dollar offer for biz.

One final note about WCS... His rebounding rate is atrocious and the more I look into his 3 years of college ball, the less impressed I am. How does a big man on that level show almost no statistical improvement over 3 full college seasons?  That's alarming.  From what I read, a lot of people put his ceiling somewhere between a "more athletic Chris Anderson"... And "Bismack biyombo with slightly better hands"

[LarBrd33]

Biyombo is garbage

He's not garbage, but after 4 seasons we have a pretty good idea of who he is.

Mk

So after 3 years of wcs averaging the same stats (on the college level), why are we so convinced he can develop into a beast?  Don't college players typically show dramatic improvement over their tenure ?   I thought pretty much every big man is averaging 20 and 10 by their senior year.  Sup with Wcs's weak development?

And last I checked, the NBA is a superior level of competition. Biyombo held his own as a starter last season.  His defensive stats were improved compared to what he did his rookie season.

Isn't WCS an elite athlete in the mold of Deandre Jordan? And Biyombo isn't...

Wcs rebounding rate nixes the deandre comparison. More like a Birdman Anderson type.

[hpantazo]

I think a very interesting indication of what Biyombo is worth is what his own team offers him. If they make almost no offer or a small one there's your answer.

Exactly. It's not like they are oozing with talent at the PF/C spot either.

Keep in mind the Hornets also have a starting all-star caliber center in al Jefferson, a big man they took 4th two years ago and a big man they took 9th last year and the 9th pick in this draft.  You can't blame them if they refuse to match Boston's 40 million dollar offer for biz.

One final note about WCS... His rebounding rate is atrocious and the more I look into his 3 years of college ball, the less impressed I am. How does a big man on that level show almost no statistical improvement over 3 full college seasons?  That's alarming.  From what I read, a lot of people put his ceiling somewhere between a "more athletic Chris Anderson"... And "Bismack biyombo with slightly better hands"

LOL...except there is no Boston 40 million dollar offer for Biz, or even a Charlotte offer for him. Also, Big Al is a PF who plays no defense.

[LarBrd33]

I think a very interesting indication of what Biyombo is worth is what his own team offers him. If they make almost no offer or a small one there's your answer.

Exactly. It's not like they are oozing with talent at the PF/C spot either.

Keep in mind the Hornets also have a starting all-star caliber center in al Jefferson, a big man they took 4th two years ago and a big man they took 9th last year and the 9th pick in this draft.  You can't blame them if they refuse to match Boston's 40 million dollar offer for biz.

One final note about WCS... His rebounding rate is atrocious and the more I look into his 3 years of college ball, the less impressed I am. How does a big man on that level show almost no statistical improvement over 3 full college seasons?  That's alarming.  From what I read, a lot of people put his ceiling somewhere between a "more athletic Chris Anderson"... And "Bismack biyombo with slightly better hands"

LOL...except there is no Boston 40 million dollar offer for Biz, or even a Charlotte offer for him. Also, Big Al is a PF who plays no defense.

Wasn't my idea http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2487399-bismack-biyombo-is-the-most-underrated-free-agent-for-celtics-this-offseason

[Eja117]

I think a very interesting indication of what Biyombo is worth is what his own team offers him. If they make almost no offer or a small one there's your answer.

Exactly. It's not like they are oozing with talent at the PF/C spot either.

Keep in mind the Hornets also have a starting all-star caliber center in al Jefferson, a big man they took 4th two years ago and a big man they took 9th last year and the 9th pick in this draft.  You can't blame them if they refuse to match Boston's 40 million dollar offer for biz.

One final note about WCS... His rebounding rate is atrocious and the more I look into his 3 years of college ball, the less impressed I am. How does a big man on that level show almost no statistical improvement over 3 full college seasons?  That's alarming.  From what I read, a lot of people put his ceiling somewhere between a "more athletic Chris Anderson"... And "Bismack biyombo with slightly better hands"

LOL...except there is no Boston 40 million dollar offer for Biz, or even a Charlotte offer for him. Also, Big Al is a PF who plays no defense.

Wasn't my idea http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2487399-bismack-biyombo-is-the-most-underrated-free-agent-for-celtics-this-offseason

Oh I didn't realize bleacher report runs the Celtics now. Why would the Celts bid against themselves? And why not save that money for better players or for their own free agents? I don't think IT has a contract like that let alone Biyombo.

[LarBrd33]

I think a very interesting indication of what Biyombo is worth is what his own team offers him. If they make almost no offer or a small one there's your answer.

Exactly. It's not like they are oozing with talent at the PF/C spot either.

Keep in mind the Hornets also have a starting all-star caliber center in al Jefferson, a big man they took 4th two years ago and a big man they took 9th last year and the 9th pick in this draft.  You can't blame them if they refuse to match Boston's 40 million dollar offer for biz.

One final note about WCS... His rebounding rate is atrocious and the more I look into his 3 years of college ball, the less impressed I am. How does a big man on that level show almost no statistical improvement over 3 full college seasons?  That's alarming.  From what I read, a lot of people put his ceiling somewhere between a "more athletic Chris Anderson"... And "Bismack biyombo with slightly better hands"

LOL...except there is no Boston 40 million dollar offer for Biz, or even a Charlotte offer for him. Also, Big Al is a PF who plays no defense.

Wasn't my idea http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2487399-bismack-biyombo-is-the-most-underrated-free-agent-for-celtics-this-offseason

Oh I didn't realize bleacher report runs the Celtics now. Why would the Celts bid against themselves? And why not save that money for better players or for their own free agents? I don't think IT has a contract like that let alone Biyombo.

Eh...  Ssspence says he heard the celtics were interested and guessed we'd try to snag him at 6 mil per year.  Fwiw, Hornets fans seem to think they can bring him back for 4 year/25 mil.   I think the BR writer was throwing out 10 mil per year because the Hornets will likely match an offer that is lower. Based on biyombo's elite defense, elite rebounding, and significantly improved offense, he will have no trouble finding interest next year.   This is from an Atlanta Hawks article about targeting biyombo:

Biyombo can protect the rim better than anyone currently on the Hawks roster, and he can gobble up rebounds when given the minutes. Although Biyombo?s per-game stats from this past season were less than impressive (4.8 points and 6.4 rebounds per-game), he only played 19.4 minutes per-game through the 64 games in which he was healthy. His stats become much more impressive when adjusted for minutes, as he averaged 11.8 rebounds and 2.9 blocks per-36 minutes.

If you want a 22 year old freakishly long freak athlete with elite rim protection ability and potential to improve, you gotta pay up.  Fyi, IT makes like 8 mil per year as a backup point guard.  Starter caliber centers are expensive. With the cap jumping to 100 mil in a couple years, I'm not going to be surprised if a team in need of interior defense pays biyombo 10 mil per year.

[mkogav]

I think a very interesting indication of what Biyombo is worth is what his own team offers him. If they make almost no offer or a small one there's your answer.

Exactly. It's not like they are oozing with talent at the PF/C spot either.

Keep in mind the Hornets also have a starting all-star caliber center in al Jefferson, a big man they took 4th two years ago and a big man they took 9th last year and the 9th pick in this draft.  You can't blame them if they refuse to match Boston's 40 million dollar offer for biz.

One final note about WCS... His rebounding rate is atrocious and the more I look into his 3 years of college ball, the less impressed I am. How does a big man on that level show almost no statistical improvement over 3 full college seasons?  That's alarming.  From what I read, a lot of people put his ceiling somewhere between a "more athletic Chris Anderson"... And "Bismack biyombo with slightly better hands"

If you can, imagine Trill on LB's roster.  He would probably be one of his player sthat he refuses to even speak about in trade negotiations or he would be pimp'n him as the next Bill Russell.

There is no in between

Mk

[hpantazo]

Time will tell LB33. Luckily we all have the NBA draft , free agency , and summer league results before our fantasy season starts. We will soon know if any team values Biyombo as a starting center , and how WCS looks in the NBA

[LarBrd33]

I'd be happy with either on the celtics, but I don't like the price it will take to get into the top 8 to select wcs.

And I could be totally off base with this draft in general. Maybe I'll regret giving up 8 and 15, but I'm pretty sure this is just a 2 player draft (Townes and Okafor) and the rest is poor man's biyombos.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Man you know who esle is going to look great on the Celtics next year?

Brandan Wright
C.J. Miles
David West
DeMarcus Cousins
Jarrett Jack
Joe Johnson
Jose Calderon
Justin Hamilton
Mike Conley
Patrick Patterson
Paul Millsap
Reggie Jackson
Roy Hibbert
Rudy Gay

#8 pick
#17 pick
#22 pick
#25 pick
#27 pick
#30 pick
#32 pick

2016 TT #2 pick
2016 Ubuntu #2 pick

IN AINGE WE TRUST!!!!!!!

I'd be happy with either on the celtics, but I don't like the price it will take to get into the top 8 to select wcs.

See previous discussion(s) about teh differences between building a team IRL and in this league 

And I could be totally off base with this draft in general. Maybe I'll regret giving up 8 and 15, but I'm pretty sure this is just a 2 player draft (Townes and Okafor) and the rest is poor man's biyombos.

A two-player draft... wehre you have the top 2 picks?!?!!!??!?




And wait.... if this is a 2-player draft you mean....... those picks you traded me (and that you've discussed to reacquire) are WORTHLESS??


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In unrelated news..... anyone looking for 6 or 7 poor-man's Biyombos? </sadface>

[LarBrd33]

lol... I can confirm there is at least one person in this thread bashing biyombo who has tried to acquire him. 

Gainesville, I'd consider moving biyombo for a collection of your poor mans biyombos

[hpantazo]

lol... I can confirm there is at least one person in this thread bashing biyombo who has tried to acquire him. 

Gainesville, I'd consider moving biyombo for a collection of your poor mans biyombos

And I can absolutely confirm that that person is not me I have rejected multiple offers of Biyombo, and have never had interest in him.

It's amazing how LB33 considers it a 2 player draft because he has picks 1 and 2. I guarantee you there will be at least 2-3 players that match or surpass the production of Towns and Okafor in this draft long term. I'm willing to bet a future 1st rounder on it.

Just for on example, the 2012 draft where there was a consensus #1 and then a consensus next 2, we see now that Andre Drummond, drafted #9, , Terrence Jones, drafted #18, Sullinger, drafted #21, and Draymond Green, drafted #35! are big time PTS league producers.

Then there were MKG drafted #2, Dion Waiters drafted #4, Thomas Robinson drafted #5, Austin Rivers drafted #10, that were disappointing PTS league players, as just a few examples.

So basically, picks 2, 4, 5, 10 were PTS league busts, picks 9, 18, 21, and 35 were high level PTS league players.

There will be 40ppg players available after #4 in this draft, it's just a question of choosing them.

[LarBrd33]

Fyi, this obviously isn't just a 2 player draft. I said that as a joke since I own the top 2 picks.  It's clear that the #26 pick will also add a superstar.  It's a 3 player draft.

[Rondo2287]

Fyi, this obviously isn't just a 2 player draft. I said that as a joke since I own the top 2 picks.  It's clear that the #26 pick will also add a superstar.  It's a 3 player draft.

As I said before if I had the top two picks it would be Russell and Winslow