Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery

[barefacedmonk]

Biyombo is a defensive anchor now? When did that happen? How long was I out?

[Eja117]

Bismack Biyombo... savior of the Boston Celtics and the Bellevue Leprechauns:


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2487399-bismack-biyombo-is-the-most-underrated-free-agent-for-celtics-this-offseason

The Boston Celtics are approaching their most intriguing offseason in years. No clear path presents itself, and questions abound regarding how aggressive they?ll be in trying to construct a winner.

There?s plenty of options out there, but none more appealing than Charlotte Hornets backup center Bismack Biyombo. This is the prototypical player Boston should go hard after: a young (he?s 22 years old!), under-the-radar restricted free agent whose best days are in the future.

What more? Biyombo?s skill set is exactly what the Celtics need. He?s quietly one of the best shot-blockers in the league and could evolve into the defensive anchor they sorely crave. The only players who posted higher block percentages last season were Rudy Gobert, Hassan Whiteside and John Henson (with a minimum of 1,000 minutes), per Basketball-Reference.com.

According to Synergy, in a small sample size, Biyombo held opponents to just 0.55 points per possession in isolation situations. That placed him in the 95th percentile. His numbers when defending the post were less impressive but still sturdy (55th percentile). Last year, the Hornets allowed 98.7 points per 100 possessions with Biyombo on the floor and 102.0 when he sat?the difference between the second- and 12th-best defenses in the league.

Hornets head coach Steve Clifford praised Biyombo in January, speaking to ProBasketballTalk?s Dan Feldman: "He?s very bright. The reason why his plus-minus is so good is he does what we do. He knows what?s supposed to happen, and he actually helps other guys play, too."

The danger of restricted free agency is that it forces teams to overpay for the players they want, but there?s a strong chance that Charlotte passes if Boston general manager Danny Ainge slides in near a four-year, $40 million deal. Matching that number isn?t impossible, but it?s hard to see Charlotte doing so with a smile on its face, especially with Vonleh waiting in the wings.

The 6?9" Biyombo has physical characteristics that can?t be taught. His wingspan is a pterodactyl-like 7?6", and he?s the rare center who's quick enough to chase smaller ball-handlers on the perimeter. Rim protection will always be valuable in the NBA, but big guys who can't do much else on defense are severely less useful than those who switch on screens 30 feet from the basket and hedge pick-and-rolls with quick enough feet to recover back to the paint. It?s a bonus and adds to Biyombo?s value.

But he impacts the boards and was ninth in offensive rebounding percentage among players who logged at least 1,000 minutes last season. The Hornets grabbed just 20.3 percent of their own missed shots with Biyombo on the bench but 25.9 percent when he played. That first number is worse than the 30th-ranked Atlanta Hawks, but with Biyombo, they nearly ranked in the top 10.

4 years 40 mil for Biyombo... sign me up.

Man that be trash. 40 mill? Biyombo is way too one dimensional.

Yeah, but where else are you getting a potential formidable defensive anchor who is 22 years old?  Would you rather give up Olynyk, #16 and #28 to trade up for a tiny shot at landing WCS in the top 10... or just keep the assets and sign Biyombo... who is only a year older than WCS.

Definitely trade up for the shot at WCS. Definitely. All day every day without a thought

[Eja117]

Biyombo is a defensive anchor now? When did that happen? How long was I out?

In the same way that the Titanic had an anchor. You didn't miss anything. We're talking Jim McIlvane on a good day

[LarBrd33]

Bismack Biyombo... savior of the Boston Celtics and the Bellevue Leprechauns:


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2487399-bismack-biyombo-is-the-most-underrated-free-agent-for-celtics-this-offseason

The Boston Celtics are approaching their most intriguing offseason in years. No clear path presents itself, and questions abound regarding how aggressive they?ll be in trying to construct a winner.

There?s plenty of options out there, but none more appealing than Charlotte Hornets backup center Bismack Biyombo. This is the prototypical player Boston should go hard after: a young (he?s 22 years old!), under-the-radar restricted free agent whose best days are in the future.

What more? Biyombo?s skill set is exactly what the Celtics need. He?s quietly one of the best shot-blockers in the league and could evolve into the defensive anchor they sorely crave. The only players who posted higher block percentages last season were Rudy Gobert, Hassan Whiteside and John Henson (with a minimum of 1,000 minutes), per Basketball-Reference.com.

According to Synergy, in a small sample size, Biyombo held opponents to just 0.55 points per possession in isolation situations. That placed him in the 95th percentile. His numbers when defending the post were less impressive but still sturdy (55th percentile). Last year, the Hornets allowed 98.7 points per 100 possessions with Biyombo on the floor and 102.0 when he sat?the difference between the second- and 12th-best defenses in the league.

Hornets head coach Steve Clifford praised Biyombo in January, speaking to ProBasketballTalk?s Dan Feldman: "He?s very bright. The reason why his plus-minus is so good is he does what we do. He knows what?s supposed to happen, and he actually helps other guys play, too."

The danger of restricted free agency is that it forces teams to overpay for the players they want, but there?s a strong chance that Charlotte passes if Boston general manager Danny Ainge slides in near a four-year, $40 million deal. Matching that number isn?t impossible, but it?s hard to see Charlotte doing so with a smile on its face, especially with Vonleh waiting in the wings.

The 6?9" Biyombo has physical characteristics that can?t be taught. His wingspan is a pterodactyl-like 7?6", and he?s the rare center who's quick enough to chase smaller ball-handlers on the perimeter. Rim protection will always be valuable in the NBA, but big guys who can't do much else on defense are severely less useful than those who switch on screens 30 feet from the basket and hedge pick-and-rolls with quick enough feet to recover back to the paint. It?s a bonus and adds to Biyombo?s value.

But he impacts the boards and was ninth in offensive rebounding percentage among players who logged at least 1,000 minutes last season. The Hornets grabbed just 20.3 percent of their own missed shots with Biyombo on the bench but 25.9 percent when he played. That first number is worse than the 30th-ranked Atlanta Hawks, but with Biyombo, they nearly ranked in the top 10.

4 years 40 mil for Biyombo... sign me up.

Man that be trash. 40 mill? Biyombo is way too one dimensional.

Yeah, but where else are you getting a potential formidable defensive anchor who is 22 years old?  Would you rather give up Olynyk, #16 and #28 to trade up for a tiny shot at landing WCS in the top 10... or just keep the assets and sign Biyombo... who is only a year older than WCS.

Definitely trade up for the shot at WCS. Definitely. All day every day without a thought

Said it in the other thread:

"Forget about the assets it will take to trade up for a shot at WCS... Would you rather have WCS... who spent last season as a JUNIOR in College averaging 9 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.7 blocks in 26 minutes with 57% shooting (62% from the line)... or Biyombo, who spent 21 games last season as an NBA starter averaging 7 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.8 blocks in 27 minutes with 55% shooting (63% from the line)"  ... Biyombo is a year older.   WCS spent 3 years in College showing minimal improvement.  Should be a wash.

Let's ask mkogav...

Mkogav, how do you project WCS's rookie season on the Hornets backing up Al Jefferson (where nbadraft.net has him being selected 9th)... vs Biyombo's season next year as the starting center for the Boston Celtics?

[Eja117]

Let's add in the part where we ask mkogav who will be better within two years and producing more fantasy points at that time?

Or how about how many fantasy points Biyombo will be getting on Zalgiris Kaunus vs how many WCS will be getting as the starter in Boston?

I can't tell you the extent to which I don't need mkogav to tell me Biyombo would never beat out Ty Zeller.

[LarBrd33]

Let's add in the part where we ask mkogav who will be better within two years and producing more fantasy points at that time?

Or how about how many fantasy points Biyombo will be getting on Zalgiris Kaunus vs how many WCS will be getting as the starter in Boston?

I can't tell you the extent to which I don't need mkogav to tell me Biyombo would never beat out Ty Zeller.

Oh yeah... I forgot about White Hakeem.   Gonna be tough for Biyombo to beat him out.

[Eja117]

Let's add in the part where we ask mkogav who will be better within two years and producing more fantasy points at that time?

Or how about how many fantasy points Biyombo will be getting on Zalgiris Kaunus vs how many WCS will be getting as the starter in Boston?

I can't tell you the extent to which I don't need mkogav to tell me Biyombo would never beat out Ty Zeller.

Oh yeah... I forgot about White Hakeem.   Gonna be tough for Biyombo to beat him out.

One guy was on the bench for a team trying to get into the playoffs and the other was a starter on a playoff team. Biyombo has had years and done nothing of note whatsoever. 

[LarBrd33]

Let's add in the part where we ask mkogav who will be better within two years and producing more fantasy points at that time?

Or how about how many fantasy points Biyombo will be getting on Zalgiris Kaunus vs how many WCS will be getting as the starter in Boston?

I can't tell you the extent to which I don't need mkogav to tell me Biyombo would never beat out Ty Zeller.

Oh yeah... I forgot about White Hakeem.   Gonna be tough for Biyombo to beat him out.

One guy was on the bench for a team trying to get into the playoffs and the other was a starter on a playoff team. Biyombo has had years and done nothing of note whatsoever.

White Hakeem didn't reach his potential until joining Stevens system.   IMagine what Stevens can do with Mount Biyombo.

[Eja117]

Let's add in the part where we ask mkogav who will be better within two years and producing more fantasy points at that time?

Or how about how many fantasy points Biyombo will be getting on Zalgiris Kaunus vs how many WCS will be getting as the starter in Boston?

I can't tell you the extent to which I don't need mkogav to tell me Biyombo would never beat out Ty Zeller.

Oh yeah... I forgot about White Hakeem.   Gonna be tough for Biyombo to beat him out.

One guy was on the bench for a team trying to get into the playoffs and the other was a starter on a playoff team. Biyombo has had years and done nothing of note whatsoever.

White Hakeem didn't reach his potential until joining Stevens system.   IMagine what Stevens can do with Mount Biyombo.

T Zeller was carving out for himself a modest career in the league. Biyombo wasn't.

[LarBrd33]

Let's add in the part where we ask mkogav who will be better within two years and producing more fantasy points at that time?

Or how about how many fantasy points Biyombo will be getting on Zalgiris Kaunus vs how many WCS will be getting as the starter in Boston?

I can't tell you the extent to which I don't need mkogav to tell me Biyombo would never beat out Ty Zeller.

Oh yeah... I forgot about White Hakeem.   Gonna be tough for Biyombo to beat him out.

One guy was on the bench for a team trying to get into the playoffs and the other was a starter on a playoff team. Biyombo has had years and done nothing of note whatsoever.

White Hakeem didn't reach his potential until joining Stevens system.   IMagine what Stevens can do with Mount Biyombo.

T Zeller was carving out for himself a modest career in the league. Biyombo wasn't.

Based on....?

24 year old Zeller started 9 games for a 33 win Cavs team and averaged 15mpg for the season.

22 year old Bis started 21 games for a 33 win Hornets team  and averaged 19.4 mpg for the season

Are you trying to say that Zeller was carving out a modest career and Biyombo was carving out a decent career?

As much as I like White Hakeem... Biyombo starts over him no question.  Boston needs a defender and Biyombo (in minutes he played) appears to be one of the better ones in the league.

[Eja117]

Tyler Zeller's fantasy points in our league.

2014-15 season ...1922

2013-14....994

2012-13....1599

Biyombo's

2014-15....1196

2013-14...993

2012-13...1647


Zeller was playing behind better players. Biyombo's team needed him and he did nothing. There were long stretches this year where Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller were both hurt. Where was Biyombo? The bench.

[LarBrd33]

Tyler Zeller's fantasy points in our league.

2014-15 season ...1922

2013-14....994

2012-13....1599

Biyombo's

2014-15....1196

2013-14...993

2012-13...1647


Zeller was playing behind better players. Biyombo's team needed him and he did nothing. There were long stretches this year where Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller were both hurt. Where was Biyombo? The bench.

lol what

[Eja117]

Also Ty Zeller has been in the league 3 years to Biyombo's 4. Zeller never played less than 70 games in a season and this past year he played 82.

Biyombo played in 64. For the Hornets.

[mkogav]

Let's ask mkogav...

Mkogav, how do you project WCS's rookie season on the Hornets backing up Al Jefferson (where nbadraft.net has him being selected 9th)...

If Trill is selected by the Hornets, as long as isn't injury & misses camp, I expect his rookie PT will be more like Zeller's than Vonleh's. Trill also played 3 years of college ball, Zeller 2, and Vonleh 1. Based on Zeller's rookie ppg of 15.7 in 17 minutes, the Hornets will be fighting for a playoff spot, and Big Al missing some time with his normally nagging injuries, I would project Trill to average 18-20ppg in 17 mins per. Trill's slightly higher ppg is b/c he's a better rebounder and shot blocker than Zeller.

vs Biyombo's season next year as the starting center for the Boston Celtics?

The one thing that we know about Stevens is that he tinkers with his lineups and rotations based on how each players is currently playing, in game play, and match-ups. If Bis becomes the "starting" C for the Cs, that really means he will start ~60 games at C and averages around 20-25 mins per game. Last season Zeller averages 21 minutes per game and 59 starts.

Bis normally averages ~ a point per minute, which puts his average ppg next season somewhere between 20-25ppg.

Let's add in the part where we ask mkogav who will be better within two years and producing more fantasy points at that time?

Trill is 4 inches taller than Bis. Trill measure out as the most athletic big man in the draft EVER!!!!




Trill can also stroke the basketball. Check out his workout video. He was doing a workout with Towns and and Russell. This video is just Trill I believe, but there are others of him, Towns, and Russell taking turns raining 3s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89E4DyhVU0

IMO, in two years, Trill will be the starting C for some team, hopefully the Cs, averaging 35mins per game, and averaging 40+ppg in this league.


I joked about Bismack's hands of stone and shooting touch of a catapult. DeAndre Jordan and Tyson Chandler are very similar. The difference between those two players is that they both has their best offensive seasons when CP3 was on their teams.... and they both are a few inches taller than Bis.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bis. I have had him on both my Pts & h2h league team. However he's on a TERRIBLE team fbb wise.The Hornets have no spacing and Kemba and Big Al are black holes with the ball. If he stays on the Hornets, in two year he will be backing up whoever their starting C is ave between 14-18ppg. As the Cs starting C or in a C rotation, he'll be averaging 20-25ppg. If he replaces Jordan on the Clippers next season, I could see him hitting the high 20s in min per game. Playing with CP3 would also help him improve on his 1 fan pt per min. I would estimate that in 28 minutes per game, he would ave 31-34ppg.


Mk

[LarBrd33]

So wcs is taller. With a 7'2 wingspan and 9'2 standing reach

biyombo has a 7'7" wingspan and a 9'3" standing reach.