Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2014 Offseason: Post Lottery

[yall hate]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

I'd take that bet.  I doubt that happens.

[Rondo2287]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

I'd take that bet.  I doubt that happens.

Your on

[LarBrd33]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

He's not going anywhere unless the Leprechauns are offered a lotto pick.  At this point, the team doesn't have any pressing needs to trade.   14 players, 2 picks... and the #26 pick which will be traded to whichever team gives up the highest 2016 pick.

I'm rather comfortable with the roster as-is.  The public perception of Biyombo is irrelevant.  He's a skilled 22 year old elite rim protector with the potential for a major role change next season.  There isn't much logical sense in panic-trading an underrated player like that when only a handful of teams are interested in him.  Opinions will inevitably change.  Based on the amount of trade inquires I've received recently, you're more likely to see someone like Otto Porter Jr, Ben Mclemore or this guy moved:



 

[LarBrd33]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

I'd take that bet.  I doubt that happens.

Your on

Yeah... so you think BIyombo, who is 22 years old, averaged 19fp in 19mpg backing up an all-star center... spent the final month of the season proving his worth as a rebounding/blocking/rim protecting machine by averaging 30mpg (30fp)... is going to sign somewhere this summer that gives him LESS minutes (despite the fact that half the league needs a rim protector), and find himself on fantasy waivers?



Fox Sports has joined the party (2 hours ago):

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/the-boston-celtics-should-go-after-bismack-biyombo-060715

Charlotte Hornets backup center Bismack Biyombo may be the best-kept secret on this summer's free agency list. He has unbelievable potential and unteachable physical traits.

Biyombo also fills a very specific hole the Boston Celtics have had for the past couple seasons.

He's a big man who can protect the rim and intimidate ball-handlers who get into the paint.

According to Bleacher Report's Michael Pina, here's why the Celtics should offer Biyombo a contract:

"The 6?9? Biyombo has physical characteristics that can?t be taught. His wingspan is a pterodactyl-like 7?6?, and he?s the rare center who's quick enough to chase smaller ball-handlers on the perimeter. Rim protection will always be valuable in the NBA, but big guys who can't do much else on defense are severely less useful than those who switch on screens 30 feet from the basket and hedge pick-and-rolls with quick enough feet to recover back to the paint. It?s a bonus and adds to Biyombo?s value."

Signing Biyombo over the half dozen more talented centers expected to hit the open market this summer is wise because the Hornets backup will be cheaper and have more room to grow. He's only 22 years old and has already established himself as one of the better shot blockers in the league.

At the right price on a long-term contract, he's a steal.

[Rondo2287]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

He's not going anywhere unless the Leprechauns are offered a lotto pick.  At this point, the team doesn't have any pressing needs to trade.   14 players, 2 picks... and the #26 pick which will be traded to whichever team gives up the highest 2016 pick.

I'm rather comfortable with the roster as-is.  The public perception of Biyombo is irrelevant.  He's a skilled 22 year old elite rim protector with the potential for a major role change next season.  There isn't much logical sense in panic-trading an underrated player like that when only a handful of teams are interested in him.  Opinions will inevitably change.  Based on the amount of trade inquires I've received recently, you're more likely to see someone like Otto Porter Jr, Ben Mclemore or this guy moved:

If he was elite at anything he would play more. 

[LarBrd33]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

He's not going anywhere unless the Leprechauns are offered a lotto pick.  At this point, the team doesn't have any pressing needs to trade.   14 players, 2 picks... and the #26 pick which will be traded to whichever team gives up the highest 2016 pick.

I'm rather comfortable with the roster as-is.  The public perception of Biyombo is irrelevant.  He's a skilled 22 year old elite rim protector with the potential for a major role change next season.  There isn't much logical sense in panic-trading an underrated player like that when only a handful of teams are interested in him.  Opinions will inevitably change.  Based on the amount of trade inquires I've received recently, you're more likely to see someone like Otto Porter Jr, Ben Mclemore or this guy moved:

If he was elite at anything he would play more.

25 year old Ben Wallace averaged 24 minutes, 4.8 points, 8.2 rebounds, 1.6 blocks on 50% shooting and 47% from the line.

... then he ends up in Detroit the next season

26 year old Ben Wallace averaged 6.4 points, 13.2 rebounds, 2.3 blocks, in 34.5mpg...

Two years later he averaged 39mpg leading a team to a championship...

Compare it to BIyombo's 21 games as a starter this season:

22 year old Bismack Biyombo - 6.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.8 blocks with 55% shooting (63% from line) in 27mpg

Obviously this doesn't mean he's the next Ben Wallace, but 22 year old Bis is creepy similar to 25 year old Wallace on Orlando. 

Compare that to everyone's favorite binkie, Willie Cauley Stein

College Freshman - 8.3 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 62% shooting (37% from line)
College Sophomore - 6.8 points, 6.1 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, 59% shooting (48% from line)
College Junior - 8.9 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.7 blocks, 57% shooting (62% from the line)  Minutes 23.6-25.9

Sure, but 21 year old WCS is a future 40fp player while 22 year old Biyombo is ending up on waivers...

[Rondo2287]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

He's not going anywhere unless the Leprechauns are offered a lotto pick.  At this point, the team doesn't have any pressing needs to trade.   14 players, 2 picks... and the #26 pick which will be traded to whichever team gives up the highest 2016 pick.

I'm rather comfortable with the roster as-is.  The public perception of Biyombo is irrelevant.  He's a skilled 22 year old elite rim protector with the potential for a major role change next season.  There isn't much logical sense in panic-trading an underrated player like that when only a handful of teams are interested in him.  Opinions will inevitably change.  Based on the amount of trade inquires I've received recently, you're more likely to see someone like Otto Porter Jr, Ben Mclemore or this guy moved:

If he was elite at anything he would play more.

25 year old Ben Wallace averaged 24 minutes, 4.8 points, 8.2 rebounds, 1.6 blocks on 50% shooting and 47% from the line.

... then he ends up in Detroit the next season

26 year old Ben Wallace averaged 6.4 points, 13.2 rebounds, 2.3 blocks, in 34.5mpg...

Two years later he averaged 39mpg leading a team to a championship...

Compare it to BIyombo's 21 games as a starter this season:

22 year old Bismack Biyombo - 6.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.8 blocks with 55% shooting (63% from line) in 27mpg

Obviously this doesn't mean he's the next Ben Wallace, but 22 year old Bis is creepy similar to 25 year old Wallace on Orlando. 

Compare that to everyone's favorite binkie, Willie Cauley Stein

College Freshman - 8.3 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 62% shooting (37% from line)
College Sophomore - 6.8 points, 6.1 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, 59% shooting (48% from line)
College Junior - 8.9 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.7 blocks, 57% shooting (62% from the line)  Minutes 23.6-25.9

Sure, but 21 year old WCS is a future 40fp player while 22 year old Biyombo is ending up on waivers...

Again if he were elite he would play more.  As evidenced by you cherry picking his stats when he happened to start.  If he were elite he would be starting somewhere. Heck I'm sure if he were elite Cleveland would have given up two firsts for him instead of Mozgov

[byennie]

Hey guys, I've actually been out of commission (pun intended) with a family emergency this weekend. I'm just dropping by home to get some sleep right now.

Please feel free to announce any trades that you've already sent to me and confirmed, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be updating things.

Thanks

[hpantazo]

Hey guys, I've actually been out of commission (pun intended) with a family emergency this weekend. I'm just dropping by home to get some sleep right now.

Please feel free to announce any trades that you've already sent to me and confirmed, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be updating things.

Thanks

Sorry to hear that commish, I hope all is well with your family.

[LarBrd33]

5 bucks says biyambo winds up on waivers at some stage this year

He's not going anywhere unless the Leprechauns are offered a lotto pick.  At this point, the team doesn't have any pressing needs to trade.   14 players, 2 picks... and the #26 pick which will be traded to whichever team gives up the highest 2016 pick.

I'm rather comfortable with the roster as-is.  The public perception of Biyombo is irrelevant.  He's a skilled 22 year old elite rim protector with the potential for a major role change next season.  There isn't much logical sense in panic-trading an underrated player like that when only a handful of teams are interested in him.  Opinions will inevitably change.  Based on the amount of trade inquires I've received recently, you're more likely to see someone like Otto Porter Jr, Ben Mclemore or this guy moved:

If he was elite at anything he would play more.

25 year old Ben Wallace averaged 24 minutes, 4.8 points, 8.2 rebounds, 1.6 blocks on 50% shooting and 47% from the line.

... then he ends up in Detroit the next season

26 year old Ben Wallace averaged 6.4 points, 13.2 rebounds, 2.3 blocks, in 34.5mpg...

Two years later he averaged 39mpg leading a team to a championship...

Compare it to BIyombo's 21 games as a starter this season:

22 year old Bismack Biyombo - 6.8 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.8 blocks with 55% shooting (63% from line) in 27mpg

Obviously this doesn't mean he's the next Ben Wallace, but 22 year old Bis is creepy similar to 25 year old Wallace on Orlando. 

Compare that to everyone's favorite binkie, Willie Cauley Stein

College Freshman - 8.3 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 62% shooting (37% from line)
College Sophomore - 6.8 points, 6.1 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, 59% shooting (48% from line)
College Junior - 8.9 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.7 blocks, 57% shooting (62% from the line)  Minutes 23.6-25.9

Sure, but 21 year old WCS is a future 40fp player while 22 year old Biyombo is ending up on waivers...

Again if he were elite he would play more.

False.   MKG is considered by most to be one of the best young defensive players in the entire league.   Charlotte fans widely acknowledge him as the most important player on the team.  Check out a Hornet forum and you'll see several frustrated posts over the years about the poorly-managed Hornets arbitrarily limiting MKG"s minutes to 24mpg.  This year they upped it to 29mpg.   Why limit the minutes of a player so widely regarded as one of the most dominant and versatile defensive players in the league?   Cuz MKG is a weak offensive player and the Hornets have no idea what they are doing.   Gotta get buckets somewhere... so they play overrated inefficient players like Kemba Walker 36 minutes a night and let him chuck up 16 shot attempts despite the fact he shoots 38% (30% from three)... cuz that makes sense, right?

I don't need to convince you of my stance on Biyombo.  You don't know what you're talking about.   Hornets are a clown franchise that has no idea what they are doing.  Instead of embracing their defensive identity and playing MKG + BIyombo big minutes (which all the advanced stats show they are dramatically better with), they let Kemba Walker chuck up shots and understandably give a minutes priority to an elite offensive player named Al Jefferson.  Meanwhile, they are such a braindead franchise that despite already having an all-star big in Al Jefferson, they draft Cody Zeller #4 and Noah Vonleh #9.   

Well before I joined this fantasy league, I've been bringing up the Charlotte and how I saw them as an ideal trade partner with several underrated underutilized and mismanaged talent.   Not surprisingly, there's been several rumors over the past couple years that Ainge coveted MKG.  And (though much less) a couple rumors about the team having interest in Biyombo.   It shouldn't be a surprise then that I'd go out and trade for two guys I think have bright futures.   Big shock, right? 

Reminder:  This 5 page conversation about Biyombo started after mkogav gave a season preview about my team.   I just wanted to comment on why I traded out of this draft and why I still have faith in Biyombo.  I am not writing this stuff to sell you on him.   Maybe he ends up out of the league (I've certainly been wrong before)... maybe he ends up selling you on his skill set in a better environment.   It's a gamble I'm taking, but I see no reason to believe my Biyombo gamble is any crazier than the gamble I would have been taking by selecting Willie Cauley Stein 8th.  I wouldn't mind either player on the Celts. 

[LarBrd33]

Hey guys, I've actually been out of commission (pun intended) with a family emergency this weekend. I'm just dropping by home to get some sleep right now.

Please feel free to announce any trades that you've already sent to me and confirmed, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be updating things.

Thanks

Good luck Brian.  Hopefully it's not too serious.

[LarBrd33]

Looks like Buick got the scoop on a couple deals:  http://nedyken.com/cbpl/chaz-buicks-flutter-feed/

[yall hate]

Hey guys, I've actually been out of commission (pun intended) with a family emergency this weekend. I'm just dropping by home to get some sleep right now.

Please feel free to announce any trades that you've already sent to me and confirmed, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be updating things.

Thanks

Good luck Brian.  Hopefully it's not too serious.

Indeed.  Good luck.

Barefacedmonk and I completed a trade.

Yall Hate Sends: 2015 #10, 19
Barefacedmonk Sends: Wes Matthews and Ryan Anderson

[hpantazo]

Hey guys, I've actually been out of commission (pun intended) with a family emergency this weekend. I'm just dropping by home to get some sleep right now.

Please feel free to announce any trades that you've already sent to me and confirmed, and hopefully tomorrow I'll be updating things.

Thanks

Good luck Brian.  Hopefully it's not too serious.

Indeed.  Good luck.

Barefacedmonk and I completed a trade.

Yall Hate Sends: 2015 #10, 19
Barefacedmonk Sends: Wes Matthews and Ryan Anderson

I like it. A gamble on both sides from two great veteran GMs! BFM rolling the dice on the draft, and Y'all Hate taking a gamble on two injured but highly skilled vets.

[LarBrd33]

Leprechauns Reluctantly Part Ways with Bennett
Mark Steinberg, FSPN.com

BELLEVUE, WA - As reported via Flutter by FSPN's Chaz Buick, the Leprechauns have agreed to a trade shipping out star big man prospect Tony Bennett for a future draft pick.  The move was motivated by the Leprechaun's desperation to free up roster space for two upcoming draftees (widely expected to be Karl Anthony-Towns and Jahlil Okafor).  I'm told the Leprechauns genuinely loved their team of prospects and that the team's braintrust had much disagreement about which player would be the "necessary sacrifice".   After luke-warm interest in star talent such as Bismack Biyombo, the team reluctantly moved the former #1 pick.   Said LarBrd33 in a brief statement, "We truly believe Bennett has a future in this league and we hoped it would be in Bellevue.  Unfortunately, our gluttony of assets forced us into some tough choices this Summer.  I told Tony on his way out that roster shifts are common around here and there's a chance we'll eventually bring him back.  He's made some outstanding progress this Summer.  We'll genuinely miss him and hope this doesn't impact his confidence in any way."    Bennett had previously been acquired, traded and then re-acquired by the team.  Some hope in Bellevue remained that the young budding star would eventually find his way back to the team.

The trade marks the first of Diggles tenure as GM of the Disciples.  Chaz Buick reported on Saturday that, "Disciples have turned down numerous offers for Carmelo Anthony. I'm told that new ownership is committed to building around him and blames previous failures on negligence. Team expects a top 5 finish next season."  It is believed that the team saw Anthony Bennett and Alexey Shved as quality building blocks as it looks to make a splash next season in what they expect to be a Top-tier finish.