Report: Joel Embiid's physical with Cleveland "did not go well"

[Fafnir]

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

No way, just no way.

Ditto.  If that was the case, you'd see a lot of teams buying second rounders right now, and Philly would have another lottery pick in its pocket.

This year has more "name" guys who are projected on the bubble of the first second round. But that doesn't mean you're getting 10-14 level talent there.

[Roy H.]

Well okay, the draft would still have Wiggins, Parker and Exum going in the top 5 guarenteed if he dropped out.  Vonleh would almost certainly go top 5 in this scenario.  So we'd basically be betting that the Jazz or Magic would take Marcus Smart or Aaron Gordon over Embiid.  Seems unlikely, but it could happen I guess.  If he had to sit out a year, I would be still fine with it.  We just need to handle him with kid gloves

If you assume Embiid's back is a major red flag, it's easy enough to see the draft go:

Wiggins
Parker
Exum
Smart
Vonleh

Orlando apparently likes Smart, and Utah likes Vonleh, if rumors are to be believed.  The big question is whether Philly would pass on Embiid for Exum.  I'm skeptical.

[Fafnir]

Well okay, the draft would still have Wiggins, Parker and Exum going in the top 5 guarenteed if he dropped out.  Vonleh would almost certainly go top 5 in this scenario.  So we'd basically be betting that the Jazz or Magic would take Marcus Smart or Aaron Gordon over Embiid.  Seems unlikely, but it could happen I guess.  If he had to sit out a year, I would be still fine with it.  We just need to handle him with kid gloves

If you assume Embiid's back is a major red flag, it's easy enough to see the draft go:

Wiggins
Parker
Exum
Smart
Vonleh

Orlando apparently likes Smart, and Utah likes Vonleh, if rumors are to be believed.  The big question is whether Philly would pass on Embiid for Exum.  I'm skeptical.

Me too, I could see any of those teams taking Embiid.

But I don't think Philly is committed to MCW being a franchise cornerstone that would give them pause on drafting another guard prospect.

[Tr1boy]

Not in past drafts. But in this one those 4 2nds = 10 to 14 pick easily imo

No way, just no way.

Yes way. You get garry harris with the 10th or kj mcdaniel, napier, mcgary and int prospect

Which one would u pick?

Anyone? You could switch mcdsniels for adams , cj wilcox etc. These 2nd round picks this year are awesome.

[byennie]

I think Exum is actually a good fit in Philly. They would love a MCW / Exum backcourt and they already have Noel.

[wiley]

I think Exum is actually a good fit in Philly. They would love a MCW / Exum backcourt and they already have Noel.

The way I remember the rumor was that Philly was very high on Exum and not sold yet on MCW as their PG of the future.  They could keep them both for a year or they could gamble and trade MCW on draft night...

[bknova]

I don't get why people are hoping that he falls to us now. Unless the redflags can be fixed like Sully, and you can wait an other year for him to come back, why take him if he can't play effectively?

Unless our doctors can promise they can fix is, multiple red flags you don't take at 1-10. I don't care how big he is, how good he looked when he was playing. If he can't get his back side on the court, that a HUGE waste of a pick. Plus we already have one player that is still questionable back issues.

Now if he falls to 17th now like Sully did, sure why not if there is nothing better.

If our doctors advise that the back is fixable like Sully's, you don't wait until 17 to take him. You don't wait unitl 6 to take him. You work out a trade to draft up, if necessary, to take him. His abilities are so much better than Sully it is not worth the comparison.  The fact that the Celtics were the first to step to the plate to take back risk on Sully shows they have the temperament to do the same here.

Guaranteed our doctors will never see him.  If he falls to 6, the Celtics will have to guess.

Did our doctors see sully before the draft?

I think Sully took a physical at the combine, so everyone saw the results.  Embiid stayed away, and is keeping the results private.

Than no way the celts take the risk and move up to draft embiid. Dont even think they will take him at 6.

The 76rs though can afford to. They just have too many picks

So do the Celtics......

The celts have 2. The 76ers have like 6. 4 of those 2nd round picks can turn into a lotto pick

Hahahahaha! No. 

[byennie]

Here is a good read for perspective on the whole 4x 2nd rounders for a lottery pick thing:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11069368/nba-draft-2014-ranking-prospects-tiers

This is roughly the system used by multiple teams with good success. There are players available in the late lottery in Tier 3 this year (Harris, Stauskus, McDermott). In last year's draft, not one player rated higher than Tier 3. Meaning, those 3 guys are rated similarly by GMs to Oladipo, Noel, etc.

It cuts both ways - yeah, 2nd rounders are unusually good this year. But so are the lottery picks.

Not to mention the logistical issues - no team actually wants four 2nd rounders on their roster.

[Robb]

Not to mention the logistical issues - no team actually wants four 2nd rounders on their roster.

Yup. There are a ton of options for those second rounders, though. A lot of teams would like to own some international rights, make some Chandler Parsons/Big Baby Davis second round deals to the ones that can make the roster, work out a Colton Iverson-Turkey type of agreement, or send a kid to the DLeague. Or buy into the back end of the first round. Well managed second rounders are an asset, but the biggest asset is the management.

[CM0]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Exactly.

[Celtics4ever]

This will hurt their chances at trading for Love.

[footey]

Well okay, the draft would still have Wiggins, Parker and Exum going in the top 5 guarenteed if he dropped out.  Vonleh would almost certainly go top 5 in this scenario.  So we'd basically be betting that the Jazz or Magic would take Marcus Smart or Aaron Gordon over Embiid.  Seems unlikely, but it could happen I guess.  If he had to sit out a year, I would be still fine with it.  We just need to handle him with kid gloves

If you assume Embiid's back is a major red flag, it's easy enough to see the draft go:

Wiggins
Parker
Exum
Smart
Vonleh

Orlando apparently likes Smart, and Utah likes Vonleh, if rumors are to be believed.  The big question is whether Philly would pass on Embiid for Exum.  I'm skeptical.

"major red flag" =

[CM0]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

There's no way that Danny takes him in the dark at #6 if all of the teams with his medical records passed. That would be insane.

If the issue is so bad that he falls to the Celtics, then the issue is so bad that Celtics should probably pass if a potential superstar like Marcus Smart is available. It's as simple as that.

His upside is so great that he might be worth taking a waiver on after the top-2 tiers of prospects, but it's also so high that any team passing on him has to think that an injury-plagued/shortened career is a probability and not a just a possibility.

[Snakehead]

So what are the chances of the Celtics getting Embiid now?

Without trading up, still basically 0.  Too much potential there.

EDIT:  Unless the medical reports are REALLY bad, in which case we might not want him anyway.

Not really.  It depends who he works out for.  If he only shows up to Cleveland, and they pass, everyone else will be picking blind.  It could be that the reports aren't great, and that makes Wiggins a better pick for Cleveland, but they'd have still taken him over Parker or Exum (hypothetically -- for all I know they like Parker more than Wiggins).  Point is, he's still #2 on Cleveland's board, but Milwaukee doesn't know this.  So they pass and take Parker.  Philly also has no info, and likes Exum.  Orlando has no info, and likes Smart.

Now he's fallen to 5 in a hurry, and no one still has any info, even though Cleveland hypothetically would have taken him at #2.

I've said all along that limiting the teams he takes a physical for could cause him to drop further than he otherwise would.

There's no way that Danny takes him in the dark at #6 if all of the teams with his medical records passed. That would be insane.

If the issue is so bad that he falls to the Celtics, then the issue is so bad that Celtics should probably pass if a potential superstar like Marcus Smart is available. It's as simple as that.

His upside is so great that he might be worth taking a waiver on after the top-2 tiers of prospects, but it's also so high that any team passing on him has to think that an injury-plagued career is a probability and not a just a possibility.

I'm not saying much productive or of worth here, but it all depends.  People would have said the same thing about Sully (and obviously felt that way, letting him fall all the way to our pick) and he has turned out to be fine.  It has to be carefully looked at.

How Sullinger was handled I have more confidence in our medical staff than others out there.

[heyvik]

This will hurt their chances at trading for Love.

unclear of which team you mean - which team are you referring to?